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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:39 am
by Spiffeh
In post 4119, Spiffeh wrote:Ok Manatee confirmed earlier that they were corrupted on Night 2. I assume they also got demonized on Night 2 (since I received two shards and was demonized on Night 3). Assuming this to be true and Manatee is telling the truth, this implies that scum can both corrupt and give shards to the threshold of demonization to the same player in the same night. We know that Manatee was the target of this ability on N2, and Snarky has claimed to be corrupted so they seem to have been the target on Night 3.
This leads to an important question:
Who was corrupted on Night 1?
It seems like something that immensely furthers the scum alternate win condition that they seem to be going for, and since Annie Edison publicly had one shard from the handout on Day 1 and the fact that scum can corrupt AND give shards to the same player in the same night, why wouldn't they use corrupt+give shard to {ANY PLAYER}/give shard to Annie Edison to lock in two demons the first night? We know they didn't do this because Annie Edison claims to have been demonized Night 2.
The fact that no one is claiming to be corrupted Night 1 indicates to me that scum did not have access to this ability on Night 1. Even if it's X-shot there is no reason for them to wait to use this ability because what if the player with this ability was limmed Day 2? Then they wouldn't have been able to make use of it. So there must have been another reason that scum didn't use the corruption ability Night 1.
Probably because they needed to demonize the teammate with this ability in order to use it
. That makes sense because it feels like an OP ability and a mechanics-based delay on this role seems like a good idea for balance purposes. And demonization resolves the next Day so scum wouldn't be able to start corrupting until Night 2 at the earliest.
Guess who claims to have received two shards and been demonized on Night 1 and thus the only player who could have gained the ability to corrupt?
In post 4106, ArcAngel9 wrote:I have started as a human and turned into a demon after receiving two shards on night 1.
This is assuming that scum don't have another way to distribute shards/demonize themselves, which I think is a reasonable assumption. Someone check my logic, but
this makes it VERY LIKELY that ArcAngel9 is the Corrupter.
She should be the next player to claim.
ArcAngel's demonization always felt odd to me outside of this. She got some pressure from Annie Edison on Day 1 but she exited Day 1 being almost universally townread so why bother demonizing her more likely lims for the day like myself or CephTD?
Gonna flex on Pooky by taking this pagetep and quoting my case on his scum buddy so it doesn't get overlooked.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:53 am
by Dunnstral
In post 4084, Dunnstral wrote:I want Here there be Dragons, Unwnd, and Spiffeh to lead us off with claims in that order, and then the rest I don't know enough about
Next two claims after the above should be Arcangel9 and ManateeGal
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:54 am
by unwnd
Alright well first off
As I've been saying since D1, I am a
human
shard vendor. I'm a one-shot however, and the number distributed is only 2. The kicker of my role is that if I become
demon
then I lose my ability entirely and just become a vanilla townie.
If you remember my theories and how I was treating the game, this was one of the reasons for them. I said it before maybe two pages back however that the 48 hour cooldown (actually it was 72, even worse) has left me abandon. I still have a lingering feeling, but I no longer have it in my memory banks
why
I was doing the things I was. Why I was reading them the same, too.
That doesn't displace it entirely, but right now I feel like I've mostly reset and am playing something close to D1, even if it's D4. So where does that leave me? Just going through the motions all again and acting on impulse. Spiffeh beat me to the chase in some regard but I do have a differing way of looking at it. The conclusions he wrought from the situation is..fine. I like the initiation at least.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:58 am
by Spiffeh
I don't understand what this means.
Also, can you confirm you have not used your ability?
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:59 am
by Spiffeh
Also are you saying you were suspecting AA9 as well? Can you explain your different way of looking at it?
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:13 am
by unwnd
I have in my head how I feel about all this but some part of me is sitting here like 'what's the point?' Let's go through it anyways!
This isn't to keep my cards hidden or whatever, I pretty much have fucking junk in my hand anyways, so unless the River is great I see no need to sandbag or pretend I'm holding something secret. My bluff was more or less D2 which ended up in Dunn/Medea both confirming another, so it slightly shot my confidence (as stated) yet I was still Calling every time without necessarily Raising. Do pirates even play poker? Probably not. Silly me.
I want to kill Dragons because gut feelings and reasons that I could've written better had I not been iced out for 72 fucking hours. I have my townreads which are easier to categorize in my head because they are memorable. I spend a lot of D1 townhunting. I try to look for 2 or 3 people I can reliably trust and then bin them for a later day and just accept my hubris if I'm wrong. Those 3 people were Lukewarm, Manatee, and Annie. D2 rolls around and without a kill I'm a little agitated because that's data I could use. I knew Pooky scum hammered (I literally told the mod this and said GTH Titus flips town) so it was just navigating that feeling and seeing what it lead to. As far as recanting all this it really is just jogging my memory to some aspect and giving you my perspective. So I can stare at it and look it over as well.
So..back to dragons. I just think he looks fundamentally worse than everyone else and I have no reason to townread them. I no longer think there is a secret scum manipulating the game before us rather scum has been in survival mode. I can't really think of anyone else who fits that description more than Dragons, who has been self-absorbed this whole time. Afraid of being left out or being scumread. The righteousness doesn't feel earned. D2 it didn't and his big wall just made me confbias here more. It said a whole lot of nothing yet tried to be so loudly. And for what? No offense Dragons but you make that big, stirring speech to your crewmmates I would assume that'd mean this was a revelation for you. Yet even at this start of this day I don't see you thinking about what it means or even caring. I think the apt description in the mafia world is frozen? Yeah to me you just look really frozen. The only thing to come out of you is grumbling about Medea even if the odds are against you. Your scumread is stubborn, but not stubborn in the same fashion of a townie who thinks they have the right read. It doesn't evolve organically and it seems more like you kept because you're afraid of pivoting. There isn't anything you're developing around it either, and now that we're in D4 this is what I expect of most people.
The necessity to find your bearings or get over yourself is no longer valid. While I'm disoriented and a bit blank on certain details, I'm still here trying to remember. I don't get your position Dragons and I didn't get it D2. You feel oddly convinced on Pooky yet I come back to what I've been saying this whole time: earned. Your status is not earned. Your lackthereof is not earned. Your reads don't feel like you've sought them out or found a way to conclude, yet they are still here and I'm just supposed to believe them. I really don't and I'm not trying to be mean. You know I think you're awesome and am glad you're in this game but I don't think your mindset is the one I have, or the others. It's only about yourself and staying alive.
VOTE: Dragons
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:17 am
by unwnd
I have no read on AA9 and I just liked that you threw something out there. I want to kill Dragons for mafia reasons and not setup reasons. I think setup reasons is nice to have but not very productive. It's easier for scum to lie or seem townie through setup as well because of they are the informed party and we are not. They know more about how the demonic mechanic works and could probably make a decent lie to seem townie. It's there for town to figure out and use, but not there to fully base play on.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:24 am
by Spiffeh
If there are 7 or 8 demons scum auto-win tonight if the corruptor is alive. Shard Snarky/ Corrupt+Shard any Human = Victory for scum. So we should all care desperately about set up reasons because limming the corruptor is the first priority today.
I'd like other people to weigh in on the AA9 corruptor theory because if it's rock solid she needs to be the lim today. I agree CephTD is probably scum but we are in a precarious situation rn and need to act carefully.
I think there are only 6 claimed humans right now which is comforting but scum could be lying about their status so we can't be 100% sure.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:28 am
by Spiffeh
6 claimed demons, not humans
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:40 am
by Annie Edison
Hi spiffy, long time listener first time caller
Why does scum-AA9 claim receiving the shards in the first place
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:49 am
by Spiffeh
Idk, maybe scum assumed Town can track who receives shards and when and don't want to be caught out not claiming to have be demonized.
I think the major question is "Why didn't scum corrupt anyone Night 1?" and thinking of all the possible answers and seeing if they are plausible. If none are, I believe ArcAngel9 is the corruptor.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:51 am
by Spiffeh
I'd have to check if LLD had claimed the human/demon checker aspect of her role at that point but if so then scum know if she checks AA9 they could be in big trouble.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:01 am
by Annie Edison
She outted that at the start of day 2 and AA9 claimed after her vla.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:09 am
by Spiffeh
So Annie what do you think about my post on AA9?
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:17 am
by Annie Edison
I’m chewing on it. I know I saw those parallels to the game Medea shared in her ISO, snd the only way I think scum her would know how to perfectly mirror 7 year old meta is if she somehow remembered it or was catering to it. I suppose there’s the old “well y’all just butt heads” argument, but it’s so similar it’s weird to think about.
I’d been mulling it through since I saw people claiming corrupted too.
Your theory does make sense, I’m just trying to reconcile it with my read.
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:24 am
by ArcAngel9
In post 4119, Spiffeh wrote:This is assuming that scum don't have another way to distribute shards/demonize themselves, which I think is a reasonable assumption. Someone check my logic, but this makes it VERY LIKELY that ArcAngel9 is the Corrupter. She should be the next player to claim.
ArcAngel's demonization always felt odd to me outside of this. She got some pressure from Annie Edison on Day 1 but she exited Day 1 being almost universally townread so why bother demonizing her more likely lims for the day like myself or CephTD?
That is one biggest BS I ever heard!!
It is a possibility that scum may need to become a demon to activity some powers. Again, It is only a possibility!!!
I wasn't given shards during day in the game, which means there are people who could give shards during the night phase. Lets assume that I am mafia, which means there is no way i would be able to give shards to myself to activate my demonic powers which means I need to depend on someone else to grant me shards which makes that people who can grant shards during the night not necessarily have to be a scum.
Do you believe that i somehow managed to convince town with my superplay to give shards during the night while publically I didn't receive a single shard during day?
Can you see how broken your analogy is?
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:45 am
by Spiffeh
In post 4140, ArcAngel9 wrote:Lets assume that I am mafia, which means there is no way i would be able to give shards to myself to activate my demonic powers which means I need to depend on someone else to grant me shards which makes that people who can grant shards during the night not necessarily have to be a scum.
Where is it stated that scum cannot give shards to themselves?
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:56 am
by Dunnstral
It's hard to believe that you somehow have no idea how the setup works this far into the game
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:04 am
by Medea the Alien
In post 3892, ManateeGal wrote:im also demonic! someone corrupted me so it only took me one shard to get there
Can you please claim if you know what night you were corrupted?
I have a theory on demonized-AA9, but I'm biased by my town read, so I'd rather have this info first.
--PA
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:04 am
by Medea the Alien
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:08 am
by Spiffeh
@PA Manatee confirmed that they were corrupted on N2:
What we need confirmation on is when they were demonized. (I assume it was N2 as well because I was given two shards/demonized on N3)
Also I may or may not have beat you to the punch regarding AA9
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:09 am
by Medea the Alien
...I think I accidentally made
4144, disregard.
--PA
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:10 am
by Medea the Alien
No, I need confirmation of when they were corrupted. Can I get that, please? If you want demonization confirmation that's fine, but I want my answer as well.
--PA
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:11 am
by Dunnstral
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:12 am
by Dunnstral
I too did not read what you said