Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Aronis]

Pagetop.

[singersigner]

Oooooh, I didn't realize that the bane changed every day.

Well then I retract my statement about her trying to figure out how to kill me.

unbane

Why would baning a claimed VT make a difference, then?

Also, I was referring to TTH and my team's instinct to pressure her into explaining herself, but then you unvoted and it takes away that pressure.

[Bulbazak]

@Aronis: And you have?

[Cheetory6]

Yeah for sure.
I'm just saying.
I think the volume of shiet in this game is such that spending too much time talking in this cycle about what's currently present probably isn't going to be as productive as trying to use the energy we have right now to start working towards lynches.
Unless someone has something particularly revelationy I don't see why we should linger too long.

[Titus]

Baning her gives her a day to recalibrate and Ffery doesn't roll over in her grave. If Singer is town, I would like her to reset. If Singer is town, with her reads, she'd likely hurt more than help.

How is any of this solved by baneing her?

Well she's dumb town or scum. Either way, I would like her not to be acting.

[singersigner]

Ok I just reread Bulb's explanation and I still like it now that it makes even more sense than I thought it did before.

bane: Titus

[Aronis]

@Aronis: And you have?

At least I have some reads of my own. All Titus has done is worship ffery.

[Bulbazak]

Actually, Titus has some pretty clear reads.

[Cheetory6]

Also, I was referring to TTH and my team's instinct to pressure her into explaining herself, but then you unvoted and it takes away that pressure.

I don't think there's any way that a TTH bane is happening. Which means that she should know that she's gonna get lynched if she doesn't confirm herself or start playing super protownly with a good explanation behind why she isn't conftowned. A banevote on her isn't going to do as much as a lynchvote will, which is why I'm personally for getting through this minor day relatively quickly.

Well she's dumb town or scum. Either way, I would like her not to be acting.

Heh.
Heh.

At least I have some reads of my own. All Titus has done is worship ffery.

Holy shit can we not?

[Cheetory6]

I realize I'm a hypocrite because I was a massive dick at the end of MajD1, but jesus let's not devolve this game into stupid bullshit.

[singersigner]

Baning her gives her a day to recalibrate and Ffery doesn't roll over in her grave. If Singer is town, I would like her to reset. If Singer is town, with her reads, she'd likely hurt more than help.

How is any of this solved by baneing her?

Well she's dumb town or scum

. Either way, I would like her not to be acting.

I understand why you have to resort to comments like these, but I still feel like you could do better.

I'll humor you, though: what makes you think me as "dumb town" would have any action to take that would be of any consequence to Titustown? How would I "hurt" more than help?

[singersigner]

Actually, Titus has some pretty clear reads.

Clear reads=right?
or
Clear reads=independent?

Because I'm really not following where she's had super independent reads that go beyond the scope of "I don't want to disagree with Ffery."

[Bulbazak]

Clear reads as in I know where she stands on certain players regardless of what Ffery thinks. Compromising and working with players does not mean that you don't have reads of your own. I think it's pretty obvious who Titus thinks is town and scum.

[Titus]

@Singer, These roles are not normal. I got no clue. GiF thought his role meant doctor. I do know that dumb town can hurt. Scumplay is about weaving a narrative. Dumb town play into that narrative and are mislynches.

[Espeonage]

Bane: Myself

People are going to start getting trigger happy with claiming if we start searching for someone else. We can just lynch people we don't want to act at night.

I do think unlock should be given more though though. It adds wifom for scum. I am thinking that their ability makes most sense as a role copy mechanic which given that this is probably a role light game on townside probably works best for us. Especially if that is what is going to be on offer for scum, doing it earlier when there is less chance of them hitting (higherdensity of vanilla due to the tendency to not want to lynch.)

And I just realised none of that matters because CDB.

Vote: Lock

[Bulbazak]

GiF thought his role meant doctor.

Where did he say anything like this, because I don't remember it?

[Aronis]

Clear reads as in I know where she stands on certain players regardless of what Ffery thinks. Compromising and working with players does not mean that you don't have reads of your own. I think it's pretty obvious who Titus thinks is town and scum.

She's not compromising though, falling over backwards to accommodate ffery would be more accurate.

[Titus]

@Espy, That type of what the fuck post is what I was looking for.

Why bane yourself?

Why lynch the people we don't want to act when we can bane them?

[Titus]

GiF thought his role meant doctor.

Where did he say anything like this, because I don't remember it?

He crumbed it to me. He said he was Lichtmann. That's our way of saying doctor. So I drew a shitton of attention to myself to try and protect GiF and let GiF lurk.

[singersigner]

@Singer, These roles are not normal. I got no clue. GiF thought his role meant doctor. I do know that dumb town can hurt. Scumplay is about weaving a narrative. Dumb town play into that narrative and are mislynches.

I feel really strongly that I'm not a mislynch for your scumteam.

Preview Edit:
Hmm...then why do you think he was killed over anyone else? Could you provide us with some wagon analysis I heard you're so fond of?

[singersigner]

I guess that would only be worthwhile with a flipped scum, huh. Scratch that.

Do you have examples of this predisposition to using that as a means for calling yourself a doctor? Who else uses/knows this term?

[Untrod Tripod]

@Aronis: And you have?

At least I have some reads of my own. All Titus has done is worship ffery.

that's pretty aggressively wrong?

vote: Lock

[Bulbazak]

Clear reads as in I know where she stands on certain players regardless of what Ffery thinks. Compromising and working with players does not mean that you don't have reads of your own. I think it's pretty obvious who Titus thinks is town and scum.

She's not compromising though, falling over backwards to accommodate ffery would be more accurate.

I don't think that's the case at all. Titus was trying to get Ffery and Mastin to work together, but she's never wavered in her reads and actually pushed them very hard. You're oversimplifying Titus's play with a slant to the negative if all you're looking at are actions that took place near the deadline.

[Titus]

@Singer, wagon analysis is just confbias without flips. I am surprised you know I like wagon analysis if no one has informed you of my meta. I haven't played a lot of your team. Second, in a game this size, I would need one scum flip and day 4.

[singersigner]

Clear reads as in I know where she stands on certain players regardless of what Ffery thinks. Compromising and working with players does not mean that you don't have reads of your own. I think it's pretty obvious who Titus thinks is town and scum.

She's not compromising though, falling over backwards to accommodate ffery would be more accurate.

I don't think that's the case at all. Titus was trying to get Ffery and Mastin to work together, but

she's never wavered in her reads and actually pushed them very hard

. You're oversimplifying Titus's play with a slant to the negative if all you're looking at are actions that took place near the deadline.

This is pretty false. She dropped her read/pressure on my slot pretty hard after hearing Ffery had never been wrong about Empire before. She keeps finding excuses to disagree with her, even though her reaction felt pretty concrete.

You know what, though? Scum know everyooe's alignments and can pretty easily call someone town and find a way to stubbornly justify themselves. The same isn't true for scumreads, though, since it's harder to commit yourself to someone who you know you'll be wrong about.