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clidd [3]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria, Andresvmb

InsidiousLemons [2]:

DkKoba, VFP

DkKoba [1]:

Anya

VFP [1]:

osuka

Asteria [1]:

clidd

not voting [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

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Regardless, I believe that Asteria is the right call, although there is a political argument that the slot should be left alive (that I'm not a fan, as I don't think that she'll die).

Lemon could be deepwolf, but again, the effort is starting to sound disproportionate to the scum-range that I imagine scum!Lemon would have (especially after being away from mafia for years).

I don't see myself voting Dk, at least not today.

If I'm in a scenario where the options are limited to Lemon/Me, however, perhaps my elimination would be better to reset the game, although that would make things more difficult for the next days (if town didn't manage to properly extract information from my flip)

Well, that's it. Asteria is current my top pick for scum.

Osuka should have no problem voting here, and Lemons should have no issue here.
Let's just get this done.

In post 4151, clidd wrote:Regardless, I believe that Asteria is the right call, although there is a political argument that the slot should be left alive (that I'm not a fan, as I don't think that she'll die).

It’s not a political argument. It’s a mechanical one.

Btw, if Asteria flips Town, I’m going to hard push this slot to be executed immediately.

I still don't understand why people want to vote me when I'll be NKed anyway. Aim somewhere else so you don't for sure get 2 town flips. I outlined how salsa was not acting in any way like she was more informed of the town gun count than everyone else when the claims happened earlier. I'm almost positive it's clidd.

In post 4157, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 4151, clidd wrote:Regardless, I believe that Asteria is the right call, although there is a political argument that the slot should be left alive (that I'm not a fan, as I don't think that she'll die).

It’s not a political argument. It’s a mechanical one.

Btw, if Asteria flips Town, I’m going to hard push this slot to be executed immediately.

oh just like when we left vp baltar alive till lylo and they fake guiltied me lol

In post 4157, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 4151, clidd wrote:Regardless, I believe that Asteria is the right call, although there is a political argument that the slot should be left alive (that I'm not a fan, as I don't think that she'll die).

It’s not a political argument. It’s a mechanical one.

Btw, if Asteria flips Town, I’m going to hard push this slot to be executed immediately.

It feels political to me, but yeah, conceptually speaking, it's a mech argument.

In post 4158, Asteria wrote:I still don't understand why people want to vote me when I'll be NKed anyway.

Aim somewhere else so you don't for sure get 2 town flips

. I outlined how salsa was not acting in any way like she was more informed of the town gun count than everyone else when the claims happened earlier. I'm almost positive it's clidd.

"It's not me, I'm 100% town" - classic.

I mean, you're mostly PoE, but you also don't seem to be acting like someone who is going to be NK'd and your survival instinct is scummy.

You went from 60% to 70% now. Thanks.

i don't really think asteria is going to die tonight either way. even if she's town, we've done enough talking about how likely it is she'll get shot that scum won't touch it just to keep us confused. what i'm more interested in is forcing asteria to give us another check, which gives us more info to help solve with on the flip. between the two of them, although i like the chances of both, i think i am very slightly more confident in scum!asteria than scum!clidd.

if asteria is going to happen today, i won't stand in the way of an exec. but compared to clidd, i do believe she is a suboptimal choice. consider this my last push in clidd's direction.

@clidd you never responded to my 4041. @osuka, you say this is a misrep in 4125, but i don't think it is. 3940 is pretty unambiguous to me -- "Leaning scum on Osuka and Andres (one scum between them)." all the way back in 3729 we find clidd's first mention of you and andres as having one scum between you, and though he says it again in 3489 and others, i don't believe we've ever gotten an explanation for that read. 3753 provides some general reasons for andres, but nothing specific. i'm townreading both of you, so @clidd i am interested to hear what your reasons are.

@koba i would still really like to hear your response to my 4121 and 4122. if you're town like i think you are, and you keep refusing to update your read and ignoring me when i try to interact with you, you are kneecapping yourself by shutting your eyes to the uncomfortable possibility that i am just town who made some decisions you disagreed with. i need to know what's making you so dead-sure i can't be anything but scum.

@Lemon

Osuka and Andres aren't fighting, but I do think that there is scum between them. It's a T|S, as I townread everyone else on the VT pool besides both.

Andres has a robotic and premeditated playstyle, but I didn't go far beyond the surface to explore the differences in town!Andres and scum!Andres by meta. It's not an emergency for me at the moment (and he's PoE).

Regarding Osuka, he gives me an impression of bad faith in general and he's worse compared to all the others that I reevaluated during my reread time, but with a competitor (Andres), I'm open to the possibility of being wrong about him (instead of just assume that he's the most likely scum among VTs).

And I really don't see scum!Anya or scum!Vfp being real.

As well as scum!Pooky.

Gun to head my answer would be the same.

But, of course, this is all speculation.

It' not easy to be precise without any scumflip, so I'm interested on Asteria, considering that a redflip on her can drastically change the course of the game in favor of town.

You don't have to townread me, it's fine, but if you're townreading Dk, you shouldn't have any problem voting my hypothetical partner (Asteria).

ok i'm bored of this day mould is starting to develop so i'll sheep you clidd

VOTE: Asteria

In post 4163, InsidiousLemons wrote:if asteria is going to happen today, i won't stand in the way of an exec. but compared to clidd, i do believe she is a suboptimal choice. consider this my last push in clidd's direction.

If asteria flips town I think Lemons has to be the lim tomorrow.
If asteria is scum ill happily trade me for that.

Asteria town flip take the below. I'm not looking for comments on this as it's purely on an asteria town flip.
I'm going to throw 1 concern I have and that is Pooky unvoting Lemons when we started voting there. It makes me think Lemons scum can just mean Pooky is scum since Lemons is the only actual hard clear Pooky has. It just felt like not wanting to be put back into the scum pile.
And to follow up, I think Clidd is town.
Again, I don't care for comments now just use it from a town mindset on an asteria town flip.

Someone can just hammer now. I'm not sure there's much else to go with.

nah i think you're town just from your solving even if asteria's a wolf also i never thought her reaction testing early on looked like a drama class

not sure why an asteria scum flip makes you not want to lim me considering i'm the one who's been pushing hardest to keep her alive an extra day.

but it's clear to me that nothing but asteria is really going to happen right now. let's get this over with.

execution

Asteria [5]:

clidd, DkKoba, VFP, Anya, InsidiousLemons

[HAMMER]

clidd [2]:

Asteria, Andresvmb

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

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