NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Rift Adrift]

orcinus, I'm holding my reads on both of you in limbo until tomorrow.

Of the two of you, you have made me wonder more often but that's how you play - quick changes and in the moment. Cabd plays a more controlled game and he doesn't often say stuff that worries me. But, you/me/Selkies in AMOL were more put off by GC than by BC. And even then they totally had us with their day 4 play.

[Rift Adrift]

What? I thought you just said one of the two of us are scum. So why would you listen to one's read on the other?

He's trying to read me. It's not so much about my read of you.

[Rift Adrift]

Here's our current scum picks, which are subject to serious revision tomorrow if we are alive to do it.

Most likely scum:

Cephrir, Baezu

kinda scummy:

Jon - Goat replacement, but nothing he's posted day 3 has said "town". could be due to massive amount of catch up needed along with a foregone lynch conclusion
ThirdKoopa - the night talk slip mostly

More remote possibiities

Stubbs, Shadi, DOMO

I believe that there are scum in the pile of players we've considered confirmed or obvtown. I also believe that pile is going to start dying tonight because there's not so much meat left on Town's bones and whether scum are looking to cross-kill or not, they need some more mislynches which means leaving alone some of the more objectively questionable players.

I feel pretty comfortable with the Slaandar slot. Although MS was kinda weird about that track accusation serene pulled, Slaandar's track-related stuff was much more town in appearance. Not sure what happens to that slot next, but going with tentatively ok

orcinus I don't think we've ever watched each other so closely for so long in a game before. We've either been a hydra or it was a short game format, or both, except the xenoblade game. It's put different sorts of stress on our play, but figuring you out and feeling ok with you after a kinda crazy day 1 has been a priority for me. I keep hoping I've put it to rest and can move on.

[BROseidon]

@Everyone jumping on koopa for his "slip":

HE CLAIMED A FUCKING NK AND NOBODY HAS COUNTERCLAIMED "I AM TOWN AND THE THIRD NK WAS ME." HIS CLAIM SO FAR IS 100% SUPPORTED BY FLIP AND NOT BEING CONTESTED BY ANOTHER PLAYER.

Also, that Orc/Rift convo was pretty fucking insane and I don't 100% know what to do with it. Makes me trust my townread on both a bit less, although I still think they are more likely to be town than most of the not-masons/TK/ank/BS (assuming letters flips scum for the last 2) group. Unless I notice something on reread, it's not changing who I'll push tomorrow unless NKs are really fucking strange.

[Rift Adrift]

@Everyone jumping on koopa for his "slip":

HE CLAIMED A FUCKING NK AND NOBODY HAS COUNTERCLAIMED "I AM TOWN AND THE THIRD NK WAS ME." HIS CLAIM SO FAR IS 100% SUPPORTED BY FLIP AND NOT BEING CONTESTED BY ANOTHER PLAYER.

Also, that Orc/Rift convo was pretty fucking insane and I don't 100% know what to do with it. Makes me trust my townread on both a bit less, although I still think they are more likely to be town than most of the not-masons/TK/ank/BS (assuming letters flips scum for the last 2) group. Unless I notice something on reread, it's not changing who I'll push tomorrow unless NKs are really fucking strange.

I think you are overreacting a little to the uptick in concern about thirdkoopa.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Stupid phone ate my Cabd post ill do it later

Given that people have been downgrading his towniness? I think it's ok

[BROseidon]

ffery, you JUST POSTED that you have him as "kinda scummy" primarily for it, when Koopa is right now the most confirmed player in the game.

[Rift Adrift]

ffery, you JUST POSTED that you have him as "kinda scummy" primarily for it, when Koopa is right now the most confirmed player in the game.

And you don't put any weight at all on that comment about talking at night?


I also indicated that if I'm alive tomorrow then ALL my reads are subject to change based on the night kills, including whichever one Koopa claims.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That comment actually did not improve my suspicion of you

You know as well as I that nightkills made after public NK spec are useless

[BROseidon]

ffery, we had 2 kills yesterday and 3 kills today.

Koopa claimed Vig and that he did not Vig last night, and claimed a kill tonight.

I can't see any explanation that fits this that does not involve Koopa being honest or some other townie being monumentally stupid to the point that I don't think can happen.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well SK actually

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But yes vig is a billion times more likely than any other scenario

[Rift Adrift]

ffery, we had 2 kills yesterday and 3 kills today.

Koopa claimed Vig and that he did not Vig last night, and claimed a kill tonight.

I can't see any explanation that fits this that does not involve Koopa being honest or some other townie being monumentally stupid to the point that I don't think can happen.

Well, it's not supported by the night talk comment, but I never see someone claim vig under bandwagon pressure and not ask myself "SK?"

Howevr many kills tonight, I think there will be some clarity on day 4.

[BROseidon]

Well, it's not supported by the night talk comment, but I never see someone claim vig under bandwagon pressure and not ask myself "SK?"

And the 3rd NK came from? More scum?

If this game has 3 anti-town factions my head will explode. 2 scum teams is a shitty enough setup as is (seriously, town HAS to count on scum cross-killing), multiball+SK would be cruel.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bro talk to me bout cabd

[BROseidon]

My read on him isn't wavering. I liked the fakehammer idea on Koopa yesterday a lot, and his posting style here reminds me of his posting style in Xenoblade. Remember I wasn't actually that impressed by Cabd in Xenoblade and didn't have that NK as my top choice.

[Slandaar]

I do not know why I am still in this game

What have I read? nothing really kinda skimmed checking if I am replaced (which in hindsight was terrible I should have just Isoed the mods). I could make a fantastic case on my friend Jon but meh, I prefer him to live and carry his scumteam to victory! you can do it Jon!!! noone will suspect you you sneaky sneaky scumbag you!

Baezu is TOWN, T-O-W-N.
Crabd is VERY VERY obviously scum.

Not surprising that no scum are dead yet in this game honestly. I mean Crabd 'WELL ALL THE FLAKES ARE SCUM LOLOLOLOL' how do people not see these things?

[Slandaar]

In fact I will post this to help my future self due to the silly role stuff that happened.

Goats first post was something like 'I couldn't find da thread?!!!'

I had no trouble. No trouble AT ALL.

And no this isn't how I figured out he is scum (I didn't know about this prior to entry to the game obviously) but it is actually a strong point.

Well... Have fun future self in the most obvtown slot in the game!.

[Serene]

If its two scum teams and an SK, then there's the possibility koopa's N1 kill was roleblocked by another scum team or that he hit a BP / BP SK

which segues nicely to "nope I didn't shoot N1" if he knew his kill was stopped

-k

[Cephrir]

SKs don't talk at night.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey sexiesssss

[Serene]

No shit Sherlock

Read again what I said

N1; two kills: SK kills one, Scum A kills one. Koopa's is Scum B, but his kill is stopped
N2; all kills go through. SK and both scum teams looking for cross kills, but Koop had his shot directed by town. So Scum B kills them to support his claim.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'd rather listen to Fery's read on Cabd

What? I thought you

just

said one of the two of us are scum. So why would you listen to one's read on the other?

this is a stupid question and i don't associate cabd with stupid

2- I'm with baby spice, looks like vig/sk/scum setting up vig claim.

firstly we obviously don't have a second vig and secondly how many times have you seen shit like that happen

3- You left this out. Case or no case?

is it not clear yet that shadi is not on my list of priorities why are you diverting

4 fair enough but I disagree completely, so whatever. You'll need a stronger case to convince me that's ever a good idea. Actually, no, you don't need to. You need to convince thirdkoopa and he's veyr much against it.

contentless rejection

5 break it down for me like i'm TIP, how is it logical fallacy?

post hoc

6 your view of it not mine

are you serious

like

are you serious

firstly i have made it incredibly clear why i think there is scum between you and fery

secondly THAT IS MY FUCKING VIEW

that's ridiculous

7 "calibre of remaining players" so you're telling me zdenek/cephrir were crap players? Looks to me like all the killing groups avoided potential doctor targets and went for two good players, since, you know, you openly ordered doctor on the 4 of {me, rift, you, bro}

WHICH IS WHY I SAID THAT THERE IS SCUM BETWEEN YOU AND FERYTODAY

NOT WHEN ZD WAS STILL ALIVE

and i have no meta experience with ceph

8 explained this. Meh. That's not really convincing, I don't see scum there.

contentless rejection

9 The point of it was I want to know what you make of the case against you?

what the fuck are you looking for in this question

10 Fair enough but I don't seem to recall you doing that in AMOL or as scum in Xeno

1. i barely posted in amol
2. i said i scumslip as town and i was scum in xeno

11 I'll be waiting.

why are you intent on diverting me away from my hypothesis of you/fery

[orcinus_theoriginal]

L-1 actually, but it appears orci has no internet. Rift? Any objections to hammering? This day isn't going anywhere.

obviously i disliked this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery can you tell me what was going through your head when you saw 3412