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I'd only seen up to #4167 when i wrote that.

Oh, and my Day 3 Vig is confirmed. I shot Jingle. Ausuka (Jester) fake claimed a guilty on him, so I had to take one of them out.

I feel more confident on Purrc scum holistically but vonflare actually has roleblocker equity but also like

if the scumteam is goon + vig + fv + rb and I was the roleblocker I don't think I'd open day one by hardclaiming death miller. it's a policy lynch/vig roleclaim and like scum roleblockers are insanely strong

it could be a crazy wifom play by all means and I frankly have no idea how vonflare plays scum but it doesn't like... sit comfortably in my gut

pedit: yeah the fact you haven't been cc'd on the nightkills is ---rb equity for you as well. like there's a nonzero chance kokichi could be a dayvig nightroleblocker but that would be pretty stupid

could I ask for a quick summary of your reads? tiered would be great if you do tiered reads

In post 4176, TheBrie wrote:Oh, and my Day 3 Vig is confirmed. I shot Jingle. Ausuka (Jester) fake claimed a guilty on him, so I had to take one of them out.

Why would you shoot Jingle? He was triple voter obvtown.

In post 4177, the worst wrote:I feel more confident on Purrc scum holistically but vonflare actually has roleblocker equity but also like

if the scumteam is goon + vig + fv + rb and I was the roleblocker I don't think I'd open day one by hardclaiming death miller. it's a policy lynch/vig roleclaim and like scum roleblockers are insanely strong

it could be a crazy wifom play by all means and I frankly have no idea how vonflare plays scum but it doesn't like... sit comfortably in my gut

pedit: yeah the fact you haven't been cc'd on the nightkills is ---rb equity for you as well. like there's a nonzero chance kokichi could be a dayvig nightroleblocker but that would be pretty stupid

How many town dayvigs do you think there are in this setup? Cheeky - dead town dayvig and Kokichi is doubly confirmed both town - for being on scum!Dann wagon and dayvig. Dann - dead scum dayvig. So do you think, town has 3 or 2 dayvigs altogether? I know Wisdom thought she was SK, so I’m not anywhere close to townlocking her. She also didn’t vote scum!Single, who Wisdom thought was her partner and her vigging town!Xtoxm isn’t really a clear.

xyzzy being xyzzy, nothing would surprise me. But it's also much more likely that she's {town, sk} as opposed to a second mafia dayvig. Considering groupscum likely still have the numbers, we absolutely can't kill her until groupscum are dead.

I'm not saying that we need to treat her as lock cleared town forever. Just that for the purposes of today's solve she's strictly outside of the PoE. we finish off the mafia first, and if the game isn't over we lynch her last.

In post 4181, the worst wrote:xyzzy being xyzzy, nothing would surprise me. But it's also much more likely that she's {town, sk} as opposed to a second mafia dayvig. Considering groupscum likely still have the numbers, we absolutely can't kill her until groupscum are dead.

I'm not saying that we need to treat her as lock cleared town forever. Just that for the purposes of today's solve she's strictly outside of the PoE. we finish off the mafia first, and if the game isn't over we lynch her last.

I’m fine with that.

In post 4179, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 4176, TheBrie wrote:Oh, and my Day 3 Vig is confirmed. I shot Jingle. Ausuka (Jester) fake claimed a guilty on him, so I had to take one of them out.

Why would you shoot Jingle? He was triple voter obvtown.

Cause I'm a idiot who doesn't trust herself. Hadn't we already established that. And at the time i thought the fakeclaim felt too bold to be from scum. It wasn't from group scum, but now I'm not sure why I trusted so easily.

I've given reads before and i honestly haven't the time to write them out, because I'll want to add comments, and I've got real life deadlines.

[rant]WHY DID NOBODY THINK TO FUCKING VIG THE FUCKING DEATH MILLER[/rant]

In post 10, vonflare wrote:^death miller btw. I flip scum too

In post 867, vonflare wrote:

In post 865, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 864, Xtoxm wrote:can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

It’s very uncommon outside of FakeGod games, to have 2 town JKs in the same game.

This is a bastard game remember

In post 4135, vonflare wrote:how bastard has this game been so far? I haven't been paying attention.

Is there a possibility that I might actually be scum, but told in my role that I'm town?

I don't have any targeted actions tho, so i couldn't have roleblocked anyone

this actually isn't as bad as I remember it being but on first read the "how bastard has this game been?" thing pinged me heavily as a "does my claim make sense?" kind of thing but in hindsight I guess it kinda makes sense

it does sit weirdly with me that like vonflare... plays xyzzy setups... and knows they tend to go for elegant bastardry at most... but this probably isn't as scumclaimy as I thought

In post 4169, the worst wrote:Kokichi Oma - just checked, confvig
Enter - commuter (can anyone verify via night actions?)
TheBrie - un-cc'd vig
light_ganski - vt
Purrcocet - confirmed fv
vonflare - claimed death miller
the worst - vt
Nancy Drew 39 - neighbour

the issue I have rn is I don't feel like the rb is in our PoE. it could be Enter if he's fakeclaiming or LG and other than that I don't really know who it's meant to be.

I think Purrc has the highest chance of flipping scum bluntly. but the other plan is we lynch into the high rb equity pool and fucking pray that we hit them.

just a reminder if we don't hit the roleblocker TB doesn't have a kill like 90% of the time which might put us into 2v1v2 tomorrow which is a probable town loss

I'm not sure this is a great idea but it's an option because I feel like the gamestate is a little bit smothering atm

By elegant bastardry, you mean that it's unlikely Xyzzy is messing with us so much as Vonflare was suggesting?

That post there does ring true to me, which worries me a lot.

basically I feel like

option A: lynch Purrc who is wolfy and probscum but a confirmed fv => tb shoots vonflare (probably fails regardless) => we're in... assuming purrc is groupscum we're most likely in 1v1v4 / 2v4 tomorrow which is workable. if Purrc is green town loses.

option B: flip vonflare and purrc in the above and proceed as before. ditto if vonflare is town (he still probably flips red) we lose - I prefer this less because of the chance of jesterhood and and the purrc lynch Just Feels Right to me

option C: we no lynch, TheBrie holsters tonight, we place our trousers on our head and decide who is most likely to be the roleblocker in f7



@Nancy/TB/Enter/Kokichi/TB I'm coming around to thinking it's just best to just follow plan A until 3/4p and if the game hasn't ended we deal with the possibility of a serial killer then. I'll vote Purrc in a few hours if I don't hear any objections.

In post 4187, TheBrie wrote:By elegant bastardry, you mean that it's unlikely Xyzzy is messing with us so much as Vonflare was suggesting?

That post there does ring true to me, which worries me a lot.

Yes - usually if xyzzy uses bastardry they include it in the advertisements for the game.

I'm thinking of Mafia Month which had an abnormal mechanic of suddenly ending after 30 days

Echo Bay Grits SEO where everyone was a dayvig

This Blitz Has a Cult In It where the title includes the bastard mechanic

MAFIA MARATHON: APOCALYPSE where the game ended at the end of the weekend

they don't seem to include bastard mechanics for the sake of it? the month 3 cop is pretty intuitive given the central mechanic of this game where the death miller is just kinda.... lolbastard. it doesn't really add to or effect the public mechanic.

Sorry I know this is waffly and it's such a bizarre fakeclaim if vonflare is actually faking it, it just doesn't feel right and I'm so mad it hasn't been vigged

In post 421, xyzzy wrote:

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)

- by definition this game has direct moderator influence, because there's nothing stopping me from doing something like setting a very short deadline if I want a particular outcome to happen. as for everything else on this list, I won't rule out the possibility.

hlep

VOTE: Purrcocet
L-2

If this randomly somehow loses the game I accept absolutely no responsibility

Yeah

We lynch purrc cos it's our most likely shot at hitting scum today

And we've gotta presume hitting town = game lost

I'm not gambling on trying to find the rb a day earlier

It seemed like a good idea in a moment of hysteria but realistically it's more of a "it would have been nice if one of the flipped scum was the rb" kinda thing

A bird in the hand is worth a bigger bird in the bush. Or something like that.

[humour] You've got to take at least a tiny bit of the responsibility Duck. You'll be one fifth of the voting power. Which isn't the only reason it's happening. We can chuck some of the responsibility back at Purr, and a good bit at Wisdom, and probably some at other dead people but you are involved Duck. You take no responsibility if it goes wrong, you get no credit if it goes right. [/humour]

VOTE: Purrcocet

Don't anyone hammer yet though. Enter indicated he was busy and hoped we'd not do much for a bit, and I think we should let him say something.

I'll take that. I might need to humbly request 3% of the credit if it goes well.

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