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In post 4170, Kerset wrote:

In post 4151, Andresvmb wrote:I think that STD is going to flip Town as a result. Dunnstral is not a terrible alternative, actually. If we can’t get Nero, consolidating there to stop STD from happening is fine by me.

The reason why you just said this is because Vasex annoyed you and you emotionally wanted to do the opposite then the source of your anger.

No this is incorrect. I am looking at the wagon on STD and I genuinely think a lot of those players are suspicious. Having said that, I keep going back and forth on Vasex. I just find them so anti-Town that at some point we have to stop giving them leeway just because they’re putting literally all of their thoughts into the thread and think about whether it makes sense to execute there.

I think STD could flip either way, to be honest.

In post 3285, Nero Cain wrote:is it really that hard to use the post tags?

3239 has the twinge of IIOA but vasex just doesn't seem all that scummy to me.

cabd is still scum but no one will vote him for some silly reason.

VOTE: kerset

Like seriously how is this not open wolfing this game? It’s baffling. Kerset sunk T3 with their research, which even though it had been mentioned before, was still important in driving for example Anya to voting for T3.

I really do believe that T3/Vasex were engaged in theater after T3 really started seeing tremendous pressure, and it’s a vote that’s quite likely to be a bus btw. I just wanted to reiterate that.

I re-read some posts from today from A50, and I feel reasonably okay with the slot. I don’t think A50 was being openly wolfy anymore (though I do think at this stage that defending me isn’t the hardest thing to do), since A50’s list of Town are not offensive to me in the slightest.

In post 4058, Save The Dragons wrote:

In post 4056, DrippingGoofball wrote:@STD

Who is scum now?

Cabd, Dunnstral, Kerset, Samantha

maybe vasex, maybe ndmath, maybe anastasia

I hate this.

what made me think kerset was likely town wasn't t3 related it was just their paranoia that rivaled my own

In post 3322, WindowsXP wrote:I acknowledged that T3 was scum - but I saw that enchant wasn't voting and I wanted to see if they were going to hammer after all the talk they had all day. Them hammering there implies they are town 100%. If I'm scum there I know the gamestate and I just take that hammer to not "lose towncred".

I think this is one of the reasons that I have such strong mixed feelings of your slot. I don’t like that you are the one pointing it out, but yeah I think instead of making a whole point about how you wouldn’t hammer because it should self-resolve mechanically, you probably take the Town cred and execute T3 there. Maybe make more of a show about how your read progressed. And you clearly did signal that your read was changing because of the evidence that Kerset provided. But at that stage, you probably knew T3 was doomed and maybe still felt that the Town could screw it up if you didn’t jump on, gave it time. I’m just really bothered by a lot of your end of day posts from yesterday.

In post 4177, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 4058, Save The Dragons wrote:

In post 4056, DrippingGoofball wrote:@STD

Who is scum now?

Cabd, Dunnstral, Kerset, Samantha

maybe vasex, maybe ndmath, maybe anastasia

I hate this.

it's quite a bad response

yes

is it cuz i put you as maybe

Kerset on line one actually was vomit-worthy

Cabd also scumbinned Dunnstral on meta in his lol-wall

Samantha barely exists.

I have trouble figuring out how you came up with that list.

In post 4179, Andresvmb wrote:but yeah I think instead of making a whole point about how you wouldn’t hammer because it should self-resolve mechanically, you probably take the Town cred and execute T3 there

Making assumptions about "WindowsXP"'s play is a big mistake.

In post 3602, Kerset wrote:Ok now why windows is town:
Look at your previous game and check which one is typical scum behavior

A

Scum first accuse their partners and then back off once wagon on them gets serious.

B

Scum first defend their partners and then hop in once wagon on them gets serious.

Observe your previous games and you will see that B is the common case.

Also look at windows arguments, I didn't agree with them but they were reasonable. You can even see that the previous site thing was real.

I’m not the only one doing it. And Kerset has a solid point here.

In post 3613, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: cabd i still think this has a good shot of being scum

windows looks town
andres looks town
nero looks town

I think this is incredibly hard to justify. This whole thing. Believing that Nero/XP/Me is TvTvT is absurd.

In post 3683, WindowsXP wrote:now like my reads make a few assumptions:

a) cabd is spewed town from d1 wagons.

b) enchant is town(this one is very solidly a yes)

c) andres is town (this one is not as solid but i would bet my life[in this game] on it)

d) kerset is town

e) there are at least 1-3 scum on the cabd d1 end of day wagon

I also really agree with this. I can’t in good faith push WindowsXP here. I think it’s a tough one, but I don’t think this is incorrect.

In post 3760, Dunnstral wrote:I can't shake the feeling that the play I am seeing from andres in this game is different from what I've seen of him in another game, he felt more commanding and in control there. His play here has felt toned down in comparison. I may have said this before or I only thought it.

How is this a real take on my slot? What garbage.

In post 3782, Etine wrote:I think samantha97 looks the worst to me because I also caught her on another hot wagon! It's okay to sheep but I feel her votes are really lifeless, and the fact she was on one but two leading wagons makes me think she's not really thinking about her vote and placing it uselessly.

Scummy!

VOTE: samantha97

And this is a terrible take. Negative points for you.

In post 4189, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 3782, Etine wrote:I think samantha97 looks the worst to me because I also caught her on another hot wagon! It's okay to sheep but I feel her votes are really lifeless, and the fact she was on one but two leading wagons makes me think she's not really thinking about her vote and placing it uselessly.

Scummy!

VOTE: samantha97

And this is a terrible take. Negative points for you.

Your 3791 though, that’s a decent take actually.

In post 4190, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 4189, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 3782, Etine wrote:I think samantha97 looks the worst to me because I also caught her on another hot wagon! It's okay to sheep but I feel her votes are really lifeless, and the fact she was on one but two leading wagons makes me think she's not really thinking about her vote and placing it uselessly.

Scummy!

VOTE: samantha97

And this is a terrible take. Negative points for you.

Your 3791 though, that’s a decent take actually.

I disagree. I don’t think Cabd is Scum here. But the way you’re looking at it isn’t bad, and the hardTown call did give me weird vibes.

In post 4186, Andresvmb wrote:Believing that Nero/XP/Me is TvTvT is absurd.

its not that hard to fathom

my reads are a lot of gut. if i were mafia i'd have a lot more LHF in my reads i wouldn't throw reads that look like garbage to people. why would i do that. like what do i hope to accomplish as mafia by throwing out a kerset read when NO ONE is looking at kerset right now

a couple of kerset's posts have pinged me as not necessarily having a point to them. they bother me but it's not necessarily something i can tangibly describe.

samantha i've explained, if you want to say she's hunting from her posts that's fine, i'm not seeing it.

dunnstral i've also explained, i could easily see cabd and dunn as scum together. why don't you ask cabd where he sits now with dunnstral?

spicy take on my current scum reads, one in each tier:

In post 1537, Cabd wrote:

Tier One Reads – “Those realistically that will never really be in my crosshairs, binned super early as town”

Kerset – 50% secret meta read, 50% just fucking open the ISO, noobs.

Tier Two Reads – “Those off the table for me today, wheeeeeeee~”

T3 – Claimed Investigative… via claimed Bulletproof, but still giving it time…

Tier Three Reads – “Those I would really need a convincing case on, as they're above null”

samantha97 - A strong start. As Koba mentioned, really needs a day to be sorted out but nothing particularly pings here.

Tier Five Reads - "Like the one meme where they high-five the drowning dude"

Dunnstral - Dunn is on this list for similar, but not exactly, the reasons as the above. The last time Dunn and I met in a game, I used town-him as a pivotal part of my strategy for my scum team's perfect win in Tenet. Via a neighborhood where I posted something close to 8 pages of ISO... myself. I would fully expect and actually fully understand Town-Dunn seeing my reach out and being weary of it. Vocally so! I could also see town-dunn shouting from the rooftops "This is how scumcabd gets you OMG!" But instead, we get nothing. To make the ffery sitting over my shoulder watching this thread smile, I'm going to steal her turn of phrase and note that both Dunn and Mara are not fitting their Town Models.

In post 1490, Vasex wrote:
you are not scum then

and i advise you to look again in my list. i call nobody 100% scummy. just a range, there are some townies should be too.

you have only 1 scum cabd in recent posts. ok, now samantha too, surprise. but before that you have me and etine. if etine townie - you have at least two mistakes in your three scummies. if cabd townie - all your scummies are mistakes. And Dunnstral is too sure that you are a scum... You dont consider he is a scum... How to see townie in you? For what actions or words?
Your unvoting from Artemiana now is more important than your voting at her.

In post 3919, Vasex wrote:Btw Andre is 100% confirmed scum.
He broke under pressure like scum.
And he said that he has such a problem when he is a scum.
With promising to read, promising to be in game, and absense, absense

You keep doing you.

In post 4192, Rathe wrote:

In post 4186, Andresvmb wrote:Believing that Nero/XP/Me is TvTvT is absurd.

its not that hard to fathom

I don’t understand why you TR Nero. It’s the silliest take you have. I understand some of us are going to have to flip Town before you realize what is happening, but I really do find it highly unlikely.

Now, could they be playing really bad? Maybe? It’s just that their attacks on me in particular is so horrendous (arguing that I’m lying about T3’s wagon dying down? How my push wasn’t particularly strong?), it reeks of bad faith.

In post 4041, Nero Cain wrote:I realize that he has and was going to get a ton of town cred for calling t3 scum and that I look "scummy" for fighting an uphill battle b/c I don't hold the same opinion as the rest of the room but if it takes Andre to bludgeon his way through a few townies for you guys to start questioning him then fine, that's just what it takes but I think he makes a ton of sense as someone that decided to distance from him (t3).

Like how do you read this and not think it’s absurd? Or totally laughable? Distancing?

I have said this more than a few times now so it is absolutely possible that I’m falling prey to horrible play when I put out SRs. But these takes ARE in bad faith. This isn’t the analysis of someone with a Town mindset. What Townies have I bludgeoned my way through here, exactly? This is just garbage, and it needs to be treated that way. If you want to TR these horrendous takes, then by all means. But these are obvious attempts at sidelining my views. Now, if we don’t execute Nero and Cabd flips Scum and STD flips Scum for example, then I’m going to have to recalibrate. But if you don’t think that both slots will flip Scum (and I don’t), then you are giving the slot way too much credit. And remember, T3 was Mafia Cop. If you don’t think the Scum had somewhat of an incentive to try and save the slot, then you’re not thinking clearly. If T3 had flipped Mafia Goon fine that’s one thing. This is different.

i have reasons to townread all of u yes

i townread nero day 1 n nothing has changed in fact its even more on day 2 but im probably in the minority

In post 4197, Rathe wrote:i have reasons to townread all of u yes

Then expand on them. Because I truly would like to hear them. I didn’t buy the “independent thinking” that Kerset highlighted for Nero (which involved Nero pushing Enchant which we should know by now was probably just another shit push). So I want to see what you have to say about it.