Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[OnTheMark]

@A50 talk to me about your chara read ? You seems to have played a lot with her, what do you think?

Chara's play is 95% Town by now and counting. And yes, I've played a lot "with" them. They're my only regular hydra partner, so we know each other's "thoughts" and stuff mist of the time. That isn't to say one of us can't just fool the other every now and then, but it's less likely to happen, and

we almost never "lie outright" to each other

even if we were of different alignments.

P.S. The underlined stands as of current up to this point.

Yup.

Almost Chara I declare you one hydra please merge and be one country and have a diplomatic marriage so I can have an easier time reading you (I am making a joke because I never can read them separate but together there might be a snowball’s chance in hell)

[OnTheMark]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Inventor something
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Inventor something
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Added Gamma and Joda's correct claim

What makes a claim “correct” in this case versus what seems to be incorrect before?

[Gamma Emerald]

A protect on Brass imho would not have been smart?

It would have been in effect future days though
but I actually just realized I'm being stupid here because my watch results indicate it's not possible for elbirn to have targeted brass unless a town rb decided to target elbirn
was nero suspecting elbirn d1?

[OnTheMark]

Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so

What makes you think scum tried to kill an IC? Three deaths last night means likely scum didn’t try to shoot IC. Fill in where I am missing stuff please I feel like words are slowly blurring together I wanna get to the bottom of page two before calling it a night.

[OnTheMark]

A protect on Brass imho would not have been smart?

It would have been in effect future days though
but I actually just realized I'm being stupid here because my watch results indicate it's not possible for elbirn to have targeted brass unless a town rb decided to target elbirn
was nero suspecting elbirn d1?

I know they are somewhere but help a dude out. What results?

[Gamma Emerald]

What makes a claim “correct” in this case versus what seems to be incorrect before?

We'd both previously been filed as the role we claimed to use a shot of, but we both claimed our real roles when people started trying to make plans with them
though honestly I really should have not, and I'd had this realization day 2 I believe, because I could have baited nk and commuted, then fullclaimed day 3 to explain the situation

[Gamma Emerald]

A protect on Brass imho would not have been smart?

It would have been in effect future days though
but I actually just realized I'm being stupid here because my watch results indicate it's not possible for elbirn to have targeted brass unless a town rb decided to target elbirn
was nero suspecting elbirn d1?

I know they are somewhere but help a dude out. What results?

on night 1 I watched brass to see if resolutions targeted (to help weed out possible interference with my track) and to try to catch any mafia strongman that was daring enough to try to pop the IC through protection, only visitor I saw was a50

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	Self Inventor something
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	JOAT	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	Self Inventor something
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Added Gamma and Joda's correct claim

What makes a claim “correct” in this case versus what seems to be incorrect before?

They precised their claim.
Gamma initially only claimed to have watched brass, i assumed incorrectly watcher
Joda initially only claimed a track shot on gamma, i assume incorrectly tracker

[OnTheMark]

Got it.

Okay so then brass should have the Taoism religion then if I follow.

Does he? If not then one of A50/Gamma are lying.

If he does then both are probably town. Sure one could be truth telling scum (in that case A50) but if brass does then A50 and Gamma go in my no touchy anyone pile

[Gamma Emerald]

brass has taoism, he confirmed it when a50 claimed his role

[Joey_]

Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so

What makes you think scum tried to kill an IC? Three deaths last night means likely scum didn’t try to shoot IC. Fill in where I am missing stuff please I feel like words are slowly blurring together I wanna get to the bottom of page two before calling it a night.

Elbirn's death could be explained by visiting as a weak role, meaning that he could not have been shot. His death can be caused by other means than mefia
My point was that the mod confirmed that mafia cannot use an abilitiy + the night kill EVER even if they are the last mafia in their faction

Since the beginning of the game i always assumed that mefias were 3 members. I initially thought that gamma couldn't be red mafia because he would not have wasted a night ability (the only one from a presumed red last-member) onto a mod confirmed protected IC.
This logic is flawed because dunk couldve made a kill attempt and gamma do any ability on the IC that night. IRC i said my post didnt work

[OnTheMark]

I can confirm A50 did spread Taoism to me, was waiting until someone mentioned that if at all.

Also, I KNEW A50 was China! WOOT! Personal victory!

Yay for search functions.

So A50 and Gamma are as close to IC as can be barring mod conf.

[Gamma Emerald]

yo math can you try to make the auto-vc work

[Joey_]

Can you explain the thought process behind those "So A50 and Gamma are as close to IC as can be barring mod conf."

[OnTheMark]

yo math can you try to make the auto-vc work

Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so

What makes you think scum tried to kill an IC? Three deaths last night means likely scum didn’t try to shoot IC. Fill in where I am missing stuff please I feel like words are slowly blurring together I wanna get to the bottom of page two before calling it a night.

Elbirn's death could be explained by visiting as a weak role, meaning that he could not have been shot. His death can be caused by other means than mefia
My point was that the mod confirmed that mafia cannot use an abilitiy + the night kill EVER even if they are the last mafia in their faction

Since the beginning of the game i always assumed that mefias were 3 members. I initially thought that gamma couldn't be red mafia because he would not have wasted a night ability (the only one from a presumed red last-member) onto a mod confirmed protected IC.
This logic is flawed because dunk couldve made a kill attempt and gamma do any ability on the IC that night. IRC i said my post didnt work

Three kills, I would find it highly unlikely. Possible but unlikely.

Pedit give me a bit to get to my laptop was trying to catch up while people were here and do that when no one was on.

[Joey_]

Actually, i just thought about it but Gamma is mechanically clear of being last red already since he would never have wasted his faction scum night kill on the protected IC, also joda and gamma cant both be lying (in case joda faked the track) since theres most likely 1 red left so

What makes you think scum tried to kill an IC? Three deaths last night means likely scum didn’t try to shoot IC. Fill in where I am missing stuff please I feel like words are slowly blurring together I wanna get to the bottom of page two before calling it a night.

Elbirn's death could be explained by visiting as a weak role, meaning that he could not have been shot. His death can be caused by other means than mefia
My point was that the mod confirmed that mafia cannot use an abilitiy + the night kill EVER even if they are the last mafia in their faction

Since the beginning of the game i always assumed that mefias were 3 members. I initially thought that gamma couldn't be red mafia because he would not have wasted a night ability (the only one from a presumed red last-member) onto a mod confirmed protected IC.
This logic is flawed because dunk couldve made a kill attempt and gamma do any ability on the IC that night. IRC i said my post didnt work

To be clearer, i meat "wasted his night-faction kill" not in the way that he wouldve tried to shoot the IC, but in the way that he would try to use another ability on the IC over using his night kill (using an abilitiy preventing his faction night kill there)

[OnTheMark]

Can you explain the thought process behind those "So A50 and Gamma are as close to IC as can be barring mod conf."

Okay assume for a moment Gamma is scum. 1) Why does he watch/track the IC of all people?
2) Assume you can get over the hurdle of 1, why would he then out the results and thus be forced to give accurate information the rest of days or lose all town cred?

Now, assume A50 is scum. Brass confirmed the fact that he had Taoism. If Taoism is bad then wouldn’t have Brass said “Hey I was hit with a neg thing” then Gamma went “hey guilty on A50” or tunneled him to death?

So mainly the amount of absurdities required is pretty large. Much more likely A50 and Gamma are both town or both scum. The both scum argument I am just like uhm no. Just no

I don’t think A50/Gamma could pull a Shadowrun.

[Joey_]

1. Assuming gamma is scum, all that is true is that Joda claimed he visited IC. So that question should be phrased : Why would scum gamma visit a protected IC ?
2. IIRC and correct me if im wrong, Gamma claimed that only a50 visited the IC after being outed by the tracker. That might be a lucky guess or indeed he watched the IC. You can also be paranoid and say that gamma knew a50 visited him because they are both orange.
3. Religion have been stated by all the religion spreaders to have 0 negative utilitiy, they are obviously modified via the passing of resolutions which i assume can be good or bad or just neutral.

So the whole claiming neg utility is not a thing nor is the guilty by gamma.

Why is the world where one is town and the other one is mafia not a thing in your mind ?

[Gamma Emerald]

@joay's 2 I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen any of the "gamma fakeclaimed watcher and used the in-thread info to fortify his claim" argument anywhere. That was honestly something I was concerned about.

[Joey_]

Also the theory where both can be mafia is not that impossible for many reasons.

Theres the theory where 1 religion spreader is orange. If mafia has more information about religion than we do (maybe a member power ? idk) they could want to spread religion to the IC for some reasons, control, abilitiy, roleblock i have no idea
Then A50 cannot be red because 2 religion spreader in a team makes no sens, they would compete..
Then Gamma really did non-team tell really fucking hard with both flipped red.. assuming its a team of 3 members again he would not have wasted his abilitiy on the IC, meaning if hes mafia hes orange (as showed in my reads list)

So both of them cannot be red mafia ever, if they are mafia they can only be orange imo

[Joey_]

@joay's 2 I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen any of the "gamma fakeclaimed watcher and used the in-thread info to fortify his claim" argument anywhere. That was honestly something I was concerned about.

hint : im not mafia

[Almost50]

@OTM: I almost forgot! Check 383 I think you'll find it hilariously funny

P.S. Do NOT jump to 1945 before you've tried to decipher the code in 383 on your own. Don't cheat. I promise you'll get a kek out of it.

Hint: Do it later.. after you have finished conversing with Joey & Gamma. It has nothing to do with the current state of the game. It's just for your own "refreshment".

[OnTheMark]

Votecount 3.1

OnTheMark(4)

~ Almost50(42), Klazam(43), Shaziro(14), Pine(14)

Klazam(3)

~ Kiana Kaslana(27), marshy(36), Chara(73)

Pine(2)

~ Joey_(164), Gamma Emerald(107)

pidgey(1)

~ OnTheMark(118)

Chara(1)

~ BuJaber(38)


Not Voting (3): brassherald(42), pidgey(30), Jodaxq(42)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-13 09:00:00)

MOD REMINDERS

marshy needs a prod. The last post was at: 4/7/2018 9:59:00 PM which was 2 days 1 hours 39 minutes 14 seconds ago.

Rough VC assuming it detected votes correctly.

I did make one slight bug change so please wait about 15 minutes for the amazon servers to refresh

The votecounter settings pretty close but had some typos

I revised them below.

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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replacementList=Assemblerotws:Kiana Kaslana,Ranmaru:Caesar Wills It,Caesar Wills It:Pine,Titus:OnTheMark
moderatorNames=Venmar,Maestro
dayStartNumbers=0,1842,3408
color=#FF8000
cleanDay=true
deadline=2018-04-13 09:00:00 -7.00
deadList=Elbirn-1,Dunkerdoodles-1,Varsoon-1,Nero Cain-2,Kokichi Oma-2
voteOverrides=

[/quote]

[OnTheMark]

1. Assuming gamma is scum, all that is true is that Joda claimed he visited IC. So that question should be phrased : Why would scum gamma visit a protected IC ?
2. IIRC and correct me if im wrong, Gamma claimed that only a50 visited the IC after being outed by the tracker. That might be a lucky guess or indeed he watched the IC. You can also be paranoid and say that gamma knew a50 visited him because they are both orange.
3. Religion have been stated by all the religion spreaders to have 0 negative utilitiy, they are obviously modified via the passing of resolutions which i assume can be good or bad or just neutral.

So the whole claiming neg utility is not a thing nor is the guilty by gamma.

Why is the world where one is town and the other one is mafia not a thing in your mind ?

A) I had the assume X is scum. The ther can still be town for those hypothesies. In fact it did cross my mind. I just wrote it mathese instead of common tongue sorry I is tired.

Will review these tomorrow.

[OnTheMark]

@joay's 2 I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen any of the "gamma fakeclaimed watcher and used the in-thread info to fortify his claim" argument anywhere. That was honestly something I was concerned about.

*snort* You're a terrible fakeclaimer. If you fakeclaimed, this again, resolves itself.