So. Assuming this table is complete and correct:
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| "When the mod forgets to lock the thread" | 1-shot Thread Unlocker | Miller | Lynched D1 |
| "When the mod ties alignment to flavor" | Conditional Cop | | Killed N1 |
| "When the mod doesn't replace lurkers" | Limited Vote Mover | | Lynched D2.
Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours |
| When the mod plays favorites" | Loud Doctor | | Killed N2 |
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Cephrir | "When the mod messes up the VC" | Vote Switcher | Miller | Switched shos and NS' votes on N2 |
GreyICE | "When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends" | Night-Action Cop | | N1: Tbone has a night ability
N2: notscience does not have a night ability |
Iecerint | "When the mod gives results to the wrong player" | Amnesiac Tracker | | Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result.
N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone
N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox |
notscience | | | Hated | GreyICE says he has no night actions |
shos | "When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player" | Modified Self-Watcher | | The ability counts as active.
Not targetted N1.
Not targetted N2. |
T-Bone | "When the mod forgets a night action" | Roleblocker | | Blocked Eddie N1
Blocked Rhinox N2
Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere. |
TierShift | "When the mod forgets to send a role PM" | 1-shot self-inventor | | 1s ability has yet to be invented |
Wisdom | "When the mod just has to comment" | Messenger | | Messaged Reck D1
Messaged shos D2 |
xRECKONERx | "When the mod keeps score" | Points Awarder | | Controlled the 'score' thingie |
let's see; deal with the dead first:
1. Bins, dead cop. He's conditional - we don't know the condition - and we also know that Katsuki was a Miller, so that makes him less powerful than a normal cop.
2. Cabd and Katsuki's roles are practically stupid-non-vanillas that are completely useless.
3. Rhinox was a loud doctor. That is superior to a doctor in the fashion that it's both a doctor, AND confirms itself as one to the target. However, it may also let scum know about it if the target is scum. Still stronger than a regular doctor IMO.
1+3 *may* create a follow the cop strategy- depending on the condition...Howeverrrrr
living players:
1. Tbone: roleblocker.
This fits perfectly imo as scum counter to the above. if this is town, then it makes town *really* fucking strong, even without regarding to other roles.
2. Iecerint: Modified Amnesiac Tracker.
a super strong investigative, no questions asked. a full tracker, can confirm itself to others by sending them the result, and can bypass this mechanic by sending result to self if needed. there has to be *AT LEAST* oen scum in these two roles I have just mentioned; if both are town, scum have to have some super extra strongman ninja godfather or something.
3. GreyICE: Night-action cop.
This is a meh-but-still probably strong PR just as well. positive result means absolutely nothing, negative result is powerful. So this cannot catch scum, but it can confirm town. I'd argue that of the three roles I've just wrote down, 2 are scum.
These are three roles that make town super duper strong, even if only 2 are town, arguably even if only 1 is town. All three roles fit as scum roles, too.
4. Cephrir, notscience, shos ,wisdom, reck: useless
All these roles are again practically useless, and seem to just be there to make the person not-vanilla. This seems to be a trend, I can buy these claims.
Reck
's role can be used to decieve town. Wisdom's cannot, no, reck, stop saying that. My role is pretty stupid imo, I dunno, at first I thought it is really awesome but then I realized it's just...not. Ceph's extra part of the role which is being
miller
hinders the cop(s) and possibly the tracker too, so this can be a part of the balancing shit if only 1 is scum of the three roles mentioned above.
5. Tiershift: TBD
I would agree that waiting two nights to invent is not optimal, but I would also agree that inventing on N1 is probably not what the mod planned to happen. if that were the case, it'd just be an even-night role or 1-shot even-night, with no need to invent. The self-targetting theme fits my own role, so I'm also inclined to believe that claim. it may be scum too though, maybe there's a hidden part that says it gets stronger the longer he waits and he's just scum and not saying it. dunno.
6. notscience: hated+???
The fact NS hasn't claimed yet looks wierd to me. he has a confirmation from GICE so he lives either way, but....what would you guys think about this slot if GICE ever flips scum?
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1. I think that we should be focusing on the {T-bone, GreyICE, Iecerint} trio, as there's likely a really good chance of hitting scum there. The tracker claim is reaaaally off imo and I'd lynch it first. Not going to say what later because we'll reevaluate after we see a flip.
2. Choosing from that pool would also allow Tier to be resolved. We'll then know what his role is and see how it works. he will have to work shitloads if he needs to make ANOTHER fakeclaim if scum, not to mention setup balance and flavor.
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1. Cephrir: probably town. the miller-hinders-town theme looks fitting, he claimed gamestart and his proven switch of me and NS' votes seems to me like he's this game's vanillalike role. Many people seem to have scumread him but nobody voted - that is correct - it's *still* true - but I probably wouldn't support such a lynch.
2. GreyICE: LLD's replaceout was remarkably town, and his townclaim on NS has -no- scum motivation behind it - no cred, no benefits - unless he's scum with NS. The role is odd, but the flavor fits perfectly. I've townread and still am townreading this slot.
3. Iece: I'm like, 95% sure this slot is scum because of the role and the above analysis. The flavor matches very lightly, because he claimed to CHOOSE the "wrong player", and someone said that he knows of a game from whence this fakeclaim may have been taken in which Iece played. In actual gameplay, this slot didn't do shit in serious stuff, the only things I realy remember from it is against *me*, which was bullshit. This is where my vote is, and where I think everyone's vote should be.
4. NS: town by GICE. unlynchable unless GICE flips scum - this is not to be touched, probably getting NKed anyway...
5. shos: superubertown of ultratowniness
6. T-bone: I've been consistently scumreading this slot and it hasn't given me a single reason to change my mind. The claim and horrible actions claimed, with horrible reasoning and coincidences, was shitty enough for me to vote; the analysis I did above is just another straw to this haystack.
7. Tier: flavor fits very well, but the claim is iffy and the way it has been used is worse. I've been townreading this slot due to meta until now, but now that this wagon is on L-1 for ages, and it seems no reasons have been put together by any one of the voters, and the wagon just rose so quickly and without resistance.......I have a bad feeling about this. it's like, 4000 posts into the game I'm calling a "gut" and say this is town. If this lynch goes through, and Tier flips town, there *HAVE* to be 1-2 scums on the wagon. NS is out of question, most preferred is probably Reck so far.
8. Wisdom: town. if anyone is actually scumreading this slot I'll elaborate, but in general - this is town wisdom. I played with him a billion times.
9. Reck: seems very fitting to my theory of {tbone, Iece} scum as the third partner. His input this game seems negligible apart from loads and loads of fluff if memory serves right - but that's like reck always is. I always scumread reck, I may be off here. wouldn't want to lynch him anytime soon, I think, but I wouldn't be, like, OPPOSED to him being dead.
I think that's about it.
if there's anything I should talk about tell me.
also
please comment on this post. THOROUGHLY.
