In post 4223, Vecna wrote:Im still REALLY wondering though why a scum JJD would be using his ability on anyone that wasnt fish on N1 though.
Wait, did we deduce which doc he is? Would his ability have saved fish?
He's JK I think?
My guess is that he really did think he was CPR doc and was hoping to be a scumvig.
It's not a bad play, in hindsight. There was a claimed vig dead and everyone in his hood was supposed to holster, so he didn't have to worry about that shot. That left, from his PoV, FL. If he didn't think FL would shoot a partner, him doccing makes perfect sense. Hell, he could have been doccing FL, meaning FHPOV there was a 25% chance of killing FL or a 25% chance of stopping his kill.
Where PP, Croag, JJD, Marquis......and I believe Pops?
All had claimed to act?
My memory is fuzzy, but this might actually be an interesting tidbit
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:52 am
by Judge Joseph Dredd
In post 4215, Bingle wrote:JJD guessed that we weren't really bulletproof several times.
Quote me.
As a matter of fact; quote FL too, please
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:58 am
by Judge Joseph Dredd
In post 4223, Vecna wrote:Wait, did we deduce which doc he is? Would his ability have saved fish?
Yes. I am the JK (Paranoid Doctor)
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:59 am
by Bingle
In post 2193, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Yes.. totally. Because the first thing a mod usually thinks of is "let's give scum a challenge here.. so let me make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers too". Sounds like something any sane mod would do.
In post 2247, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:This just hit me: WHAT IF the "unkillables" were really not? What if their PT effect does NOT stop a direct kill? I guess that would explain why they seem to TR each other today, under the false assumption that if scum knew that they would have certainly killed one of them.
^^That's not something I would think of. Blame the monkey man for planting the thought in my head.
There's more, but I'm not really interested in digging. Basically, I've suspected you the entire game because of this whole thing. Our claim didn't make sense to scum you, and you knew if it was true you were pretty disadvantaged. You also couldn't afford to check, because gambling that we were lying and being wrong literally lost you the game.
I'll leave FL's knowledge to Vecna, since he was the one who saw it.
Where PP, Croag, JJD, Marquis......and I believe Pops?
All had claimed to act?
My memory is fuzzy, but this might actually be an interesting tidbit
Pops never acted afaicr. Gobbles might have the night he died, but I don't remember anyone claiming it. And honestly, it wouldn't really matter.
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:02 am
by Vecna
Yeah i went back and reread it. Pops exact words were "I am not gonna reveal whether i acted or not" after she flipped out on FL for presumably shooting her announced FN target.
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:10 am
by Croag
In post 4171, Vecna wrote:Croag, scum is trying to pocket you here. There is a reason PP wanted you to out first, because he does not know his own sanity.
He needed you to claim first, because he does not know how to fakeclaim it otherwise. The fact (im assuming thats what your code meant here) that you got an INNO, means he can also claim an INNO to protect his teammate. If you had gotten a guilty, he would have no chance but to bus his teammate here.
The scumteam is PP and JJD.
Im also not protecting any teammate of mine in my hood. But were all town. If there was two scum in our hood the game would be over.
Why would the title character and sane cop be scum
In post 2193, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Yes.. totally. Because the first thing a mod usually thinks of is "let's give scum a challenge here.. so let me make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers too". Sounds like something any sane mod would do.
In post 2247, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:This just hit me: WHAT IF the "unkillables" were really not? What if their PT effect does NOT stop a direct kill? I guess that would explain why they seem to TR each other today, under the false assumption that if scum knew that they would have certainly killed one of them.
^^That's not something I would think of. Blame the monkey man for planting the thought in my head.
There's more, but I'm not really interested in digging. Basically, I've suspected you the entire game because of this whole thing. Our claim didn't make sense to scum you, and you knew if it was true you were pretty disadvantaged. You also couldn't afford to check, because gambling that we were lying and being wrong literally lost you the game.
I'll leave FL's knowledge to Vecna, since he was the one who saw it.
First quote is in no way suggesting you could be shot. It was suggesting there IS scum in your hood.
Second quote is more of a meme for the moonlogic I use on my main. Try again
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:24 am
by Bingle
In post 4233, Croag wrote:Why would the title character and sane cop be scum
Flavor is not AI. FG is a good mod.
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:25 am
by Bingle
In post 4234, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:First quote is in no way suggesting you could be shot. It was suggesting there IS scum in your hood.
Second quote is more of a meme for the moonlogic I use on my main. Try again
Justify me having suspicion that you suspected I might be lying about the full extent of our hood powers but weren't sure?
In post 4171, Vecna wrote:Croag, scum is trying to pocket you here. There is a reason PP wanted you to out first, because he does not know his own sanity.
He needed you to claim first, because he does not know how to fakeclaim it otherwise. The fact (im assuming thats what your code meant here) that you got an INNO, means he can also claim an INNO to protect his teammate. If you had gotten a guilty, he would have no chance but to bus his teammate here.
The scumteam is PP and JJD.
Im also not protecting any teammate of mine in my hood. But were all town. If there was two scum in our hood the game would be over.
Why would the title character and sane cop be scum
Further:
Carrie Ray Chiropeter
Althoff Chiropeter
Why would the twins be different alignments?
Why is a member of the police department scum in the first place?
Answer: because the game isn't broken by flavorclaiming. Because only newbie mods like A50 make games that are broken by claiming you're all part of the crew of the Serenity. Good mods, like FG/myself/FL/A50 after OK1 will tell you that it's not only a good idea, but a necessary one to take steps, like, I dunno: making one of the members of Dethklok scum in a Dethklok themed game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11256160
Oh, did I just link to another game where I pointed out the setup was solved?
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 am
by PenguinPower
In post 4233, Croag wrote:Why would the title character and sane cop be scum
Why do you keep saying I'm the sane cop?
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:42 am
by Bingle
Probably because she knows her sanity and has for two days. But no, it can't be a cop and a doctor. JJD isn't scum. No one should listen to Bingle, he's crazy.
Let's take the time to examine the caught scum in it's natural habitat:
The strong back, the sleek coat. The large, dangerous fangs. He ignores all of the logic posts and instead takes witty potshots, hoping to sink his teeth into the soft supple flesh of a mislynch.
In post 4233, Croag wrote:Why would the title character and sane cop be scum
Why do you keep saying I'm the sane cop?
this was completely referring to the point where it was suggested to me you and jjd are scum together and thus you could only be sane as i have an innocent
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:34 am
by Croag
jjd cant be scum without pp also being scum with him
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:34 am
by Croag
and i dont think thats a solve
so unless you think pp is scum which i dont then jjd isnt scum
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:54 am
by FakeGod
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:56 am
by PenguinPower
UNVOTE:
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:56 am
by PenguinPower
My brain hurts, so I need some time to think about this.
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:30 am
by Judge Joseph Dredd
@PP: It's not that complicated. If you accept Croag as Town you know I am Town as a direct result. Scum is in that hood. Bingle is the one because he was the one to suggest they were unkillable (for town cred. He probably convinced then it was for their own good so scum won't kill them, but it was mainly to justify why HE wasn't gonna ever get shot). Bingle is also the one suggesting it canNOT be 3 scum from the start when it is now OBVIOUS that it IS the case.
Just think about it.. It's ONE of the "untargetable" hood because even Marquis canNOT be scum with someone in there. So, I am noe totally sold on the idea that we have ONE living scum and that scum is BINGLE 90% of the time.
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:37 am
by Bingle
In post 4214, Bingle wrote:Okay, let's sole examine the balance of Vecna/Bingle being the last scum, because if FG was super dumb and didn't balance correctly AND it isn't Vecna, it doesn't matter because we have another day anyway.
Scum has:
Paranoid Cop
Ninja Watcher
BP Multivoter
Town has:
Sane Cop
Insane Cop
Ninja Parity Cop
3x 1shot Vig
1x 2shot Vig
Ninja Tracker
1x Doctor
1x JK
1x VT
1x Multivoter
1x Friendly Neighbor
Multiple public millers.
This setup is EXTREMELY broken by massclaim.
The vigs can only target in a pool of 14 which has 2 scum in it. To that end, you lynch me and Vecna first (useless roles), then Marquis. Lets assume, for the moment, that that hits town first and scum second. Town is now at 13 people (11v2), maybe.
Kuribo is the obvious nightkill post massclaim. You assign 1 of the 4 doctors to protect him over night, randomly chosen from inside of the doc hood. Kuribo/1 Doc/Cops act. Everyone else holsters.
If Kuribo survives, has a 75% chance of having a useful cop result N1. Cops begin getting useful results N2.
There are 6 caffeinated town on D3 with 13 people. Caffeine is a non issue. If scum shoots for caffeine wincon, they let 3 investigations happen every night. Scum can't win that.
If scum shoots for non caffeine, they abandon the caffeine wincon and are functionally 3 goons (one of which is conditionally guiltied by being the best D1/2 policy lynch) in a town with 4 vigs that all want to holster until there's a really small kill pool.
tl;dr, if there's a three person scumteam with me or Vecna, town had a high chance of literally making this game unwinnable for them on D1. FG isn't a shit mod.
Hmmm. It's like I had a wallpost about why 1 scum doesn't make sense that you never addressed at all.
