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Definitely hit me up in the PT if you have something you think is useful there. There's just been a lot bigger priorities in the main thread than trying to sort you in PT over the last couple of days, which anyway I think the utility of trying to do that goes down as the pool of living players shrinks. But please please if you think that one-on-one chatting will help me read you do go post and I will chat. I'm too invested in this game not to.

I do not believe I have said anything revolutionary in there, but it felt like you were the main one driving the conversation in first dance, and in second dance that has felt reversed quite a bit. So just chatting in there would probably help alleviate my concerns.

Okay I'm heading there now.

Hello. Pretty sure I want g8 dead. Thoughts?

I'm holding thoughts a bit - just a bit - until I get posts from L5 and G8 who need to post NOW about what they thing the most likely duo for last two scumare
like I am gone V/LA in 15 hours or so

and I want to be done by then, like, I want the game over

in the meantime G2 you can remind me of anything that went on in your PT with L9 that looks useful to sort her? You can also talk pairs, I'm not stopping you

Good morning, I am here.

I'm going to read through a couple things shortly here and see what I can find.

Since we know that both of G7's scumpartners are in his scum-pairing lists, suddenly G1 is close to confirmed scum just based on how the two of them keep talking to each other.

I think it's quite likely that they were specifically playing to have one of the two endgame after the other flips.

My main question is how G7 expects to win in the case that it's on him to carry the game, considering he has to pivot away from his specific plan or he's at a severe disadvantage when it's just his pairing and G3/L6.

The obvious answer is that he's expecting my pairing to be lynched, flip TvT, and use the predetermined excuse to reassess everything to find a way to be able to pivot against G3/L6 properly.

I have a couple issues with G8, going back to read his posts today. I can see him forming a gameplan to potentially create a win when there's only two pairings left when he goes through his reads. I'm also a bit worried about him essentially shutting my engagement down in the PT a couple days ago when I started talking to him in there.

L9, annoyingly, I can't get a proper read on anymore.

Ugh everything is terrible but information is helpful. L5 can you explicitly list or discuss the possible scum duos from your point of view?

Actually, L9 is either just scum or not paying attention to the game.

If I was scum and the TvT pairings are G3/L6 and G2/L9, it makes very little sense for me to specifically shut down G2's leave offer and box myself into reassessing after the G3/L6 townflips.

In post 4234, Lady 5 wrote:Actually, L9 is either just scum or not paying attention to the game.

If I was scum and the TvT pairings are G3/L6 and G2/L9, it makes very little sense for me to specifically shut down G2's leave offer and box myself into reassessing after the G3/L6 townflips.

I think this is correct, actually.

In post 4233, Lady 2 wrote:Ugh everything is terrible but information is helpful. L5 can you explicitly list or discuss the possible scum duos from your point of view?

G1
G8
L2
L9

G1+G8 - This is possible. The strategy I listed above is sensical, in that G1 and G7 would have been planning for one of them to get flipped and the other to gain enough townpoints to hopefully endgame.
G1+L2 - This doesn't make sense. I strongly believe that you would've pushed harder on him and used that extra towncred in order to shield G1.
G1+L9 - This is possible. L9's strategy going into 4:2 makes sense with this team, but of extra note is that I think that in this case, they are specifically looking to win when there's 4 players left, since both G2 and L2 have expressed being willing to leave earlier.
G8+L2 - I don't think it's too likely. There would have been more pivoting onto either getting G2 to leave or a lynch on L9 earlier in the game. It's a bit late to start looking to pivot onto this now.
G8+L9 - Not likely. L9's trajectory here is too risky, as G2 is at too much risk of leaving in order to make having L9 bus both her buddies by attacking their partners viable.
L2+L9 - This is an interesting team. I can see this potentially being the case, actually, but it's more likely that if there's scum in the G1/L2 pairing, it's G1.

Ultimately, I think the possibilities align in this order of likelihood:

G1+L9
G1+G8
L2+L9
G8+L2
G8+L9
G1+L2

In post 4235, Lady 2 wrote:

In post 4234, Lady 5 wrote:Actually, L9 is either just scum or not paying attention to the game.

If I was scum and the TvT pairings are G3/L6 and G2/L9, it makes very little sense for me to specifically shut down G2's leave offer and box myself into reassessing after the G3/L6 townflips.

I think this is correct, actually.

That I'm scum and G2/L9 is the town pairing?

If there's enough consensus that my pairing has scum in it, then I will just leave the dance.

However, I will insist that you also leave if the game isn't over, L2. I find it nearly impossible that there isn't scum in your pairing.

No that's not my conclusion.

I'm confused as to what you mean, then.

In post 4234, Lady 5 wrote:Actually, L9 is either just scum or not paying attention to the game.

Strongly leaning towards scum over not paying attention.

uhh, I think Gent 8 is much more likely to be scum than Lady 5 though

As it happens I also think the G1/G8 pairing idea is BS

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of L2/G8 though

U do that

In post 4208, Lady 9 wrote:

In post 4097, FakeGod wrote:

In post 4092, Lady 7 wrote:

Leaving the dance

Gentleman 7, who was

Mafia

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

Lady 7, who was

Town

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

In post 4099, Lady 5 wrote:I'm very disappointed that you all pushed Lady 7 to leave the dance.

In post 4102, Lady 5 wrote: Lady 9 looks terrible after this Lady 7 push.

Uh, what??? The gent flipped scum

In post 4196, Lady 5 wrote:To throw the rest of us off and make her leave unreadable, I bet.

Weird, you still didn't think she was town?

In post 4204, FakeGod wrote:

In post 4161, Lady 6 wrote:

Leave Dance

Gentleman 3, who was

Town

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

Lady 6, who was

Town

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

So, I wanted Gent 3/Lady 6 to be the endgame pairing because I realize that people don't trust me, now though BOTH of your pairings are scum, unless it's something silly like gent 8/lady 5

This doesn't give that impression, L9.

What impression?

In post 4242, Lady 9 wrote:uhh, I think Gent 8 is much more likely to be scum than Lady 5 though

Why does this matter? They are both paired together.

It matters because Lady 2 pointed towards something being wrong in my read on lady 5 for a reason that I'm scum/their pair is to wn