TENET - Game Over

[Bell]

It’s not really a compromise elimination for me at this point. Cause A50 and you are going away and HP is doing their best. Though yeah, I’m in that zone where I don’t want them with me in elo Rn.

[Bell]

*hp, I mean.

Mmm. I probably missed this and should be paying more attention to the thread but did gyphx ever graduate from a time read for anyone else?

[Spiffeh]

Because I think Gypyx is town

I feel like this thread has already been "remove all of the uncharismatic players" and I am partially guilty of that but now that it's been revealed A50 wasn't the last scum over here I feel like scum are deeper ingrained in the 'town-bloc' over here than I originally thought

[Bell]

That’s lovely FF, I appreciate you.
But i’m Town this time. So you both misreading me is very, very bad fmpov given i’m Very easy to read.

[Annie Edison]

HNNNNNNNNNG

[Bell]

Because I think Gypyx is town

I feel like this thread has already been "remove all of the uncharismatic players" and I am partially guilty of that but now that it's been revealed A50 wasn't the last scum over here I feel like scum are deeper ingrained in the 'town-bloc' over here than I originally thought

There needs to be some sort of substantiation of this beyond just “i’m Worried”
There’s no focus on why you feel this way, only that you do.

[Bell]

That’s bad isn’t it.

[Bell]

Oh my goodness you’re both wrong. I love this.

[Bell]

Tell me more about how I scum claimed with my reaction I have as town.

[Bell]

Ahh, i’m so giddy right now.
It’s disappointing but I guess it would be boring if you guys never misread me to one extent or another.

Oh oh, do you wanna get me run up? Try your best.

[Bell]

Who’re my scum partners btw, I know you guys usually try to attach somebody, who was it?

[Spiffeh]

I have explained my Gypyx town read, and presented my lim pool for today so my substantiation has gone beyond "I'm worried" tyvm

I also am putting stock into the players that have experience with Gypyx and their account that it is very unlikely this is his scum game (mainly Dunn, I think Nacho/Tammy meta'd him too and came to the same conclusion?)

Do you have experience with Gypyx that says otherwise? I think these meta arguments should be worthwhile for you to consider?

[Bell]

5309# you avoided the substance of my question there. Why is the SR deepening as I keep moving my vote in a natural fashion fmpov?

[Dunnstral]

Ahh, i’m so giddy right now.
It’s disappointing but I guess it would be boring if you guys never misread me to one extent or another.

Oh oh, do you wanna get me run up? Try your best.

Who’re my scum partners btw, I know you guys usually try to attach somebody, who was it?

Scummy reaction

VOTE: Bell

[Spiffeh]

And yes there's an element of Gypyx being low hanging fruit and given the nature of the setup scum DESPERATELY do not want to be completely eliminated from one side this Day so I think it is entirely plausible scum could be pushing Gypyx because it's the easy thing to do and allows them to avoid their worst case scenario

Players that fit this bill are Muffin and Brian, although Muffin has at least explained his Gypyx read in a way that I can buy coming from town (still tbd )

[Bell]

I mean, you have 2 people on the other thread meta scum reading me while being objectively wrong after I made a meta case that is also been proved to be objectively wrong.

People said his scum games sucks and he lurks. I’ll look back at it, but he is lurking now.

[Brian Skies]

Spoiler: On Sirius

Titus replaced the Sirius slot, which I did lean town early on. It was mostly on setup-spec and his reaction against unwnd, but looking back, it's possible I townbinned him for that too soon. And outside of his mechanical speculation, it was mostly just fluff. The mechanical spec was also technically piggy-backed off of Hench Princess as well, so it's possible he was just trying to ride that wave for towncred.

Either way, I'm mostly making this read off of Titus.

UNVOTE: All votes

Hi everyone.

VOTE: pisskop

The walls made my eyes bleed.

Do I need to read the other thread too?

First two posts from Titus. The first one is okay and seems reasonable. The second one stands out though. For a player that hasn't really read the thread, why does she choose to vote Pisskop? She doesn't mention a reason at all and I feel like she could've done way more with an introductory vote on literally any other player.

Potential early distancing.

I have a townread on everyone but zmuffin so far. He's null.

A50 may be scum.

Zmuffin worries me too. All spec no analysis.

I already commented on the first post after she made it in that I thought it was incredibly bizarre in that I had no idea how she could've gotten townreads on everyone but zMuffin, but I just wrote it off as a Titus-post.

She was also still voting Pisskop at the time. So if she thinks Pisskop is townish, why still vote there?

The comment about zMuffin also rubbed me the wrong way because I didn't get this impression of Muffin at the time. And it's also why I didn't mind Muffin questioning the Sirius/Titus slot (and actually thought that push from him felt a little townish).

Can you guys not post as much 8-10 pages is too much.

Am I reading right that the notsci hydra is L-1?

Wtf is going on over there

Haven't read there thread but it's good they have wagons.

I think our half may just be a scum by vote count thread with fewer members. Either that or scum are really happy with the gamestate.

Reading the other thread because it's slower than here and using that thread to get context over here since y'all are all talking about there anyway.

I'm about 150 posts in. Already townreading Fire, scumreading Skitter, Brian Skies and HP. Slight townread on Deacon and Annie. [Note: I have a townread of Imperium but that's not because of the reading I'm doing so far but interactions here.

We can punt pisskop first followed by Pooky. I’m cool with that.

I'm ok turnstiling pisskop. It's a slower thread so he may be able to play the game and get sortable.

VOTE: turnstile pisskop

What's your goal in asking questions about a vote on a player before they respond to the vote? What's your goal in attacking the value of a pressure vote before the player responds? Did you townread sirius? Do you have a read of Titus? Given Imperium has explained that you wildly misunderstood very basic points in this conversation, why are you continuing to try to posit me as the bad guy here? If you ask bad questions and whine about good ideas, you are scumsiding. You are actively being scummy in this interaction

I totally missed your vote on me. Casting a "pressure vote" after I call you scum. I feel so pressured.

pedit - Yes Annie. It has fewer pages unless I am just crazy.

LOL I'm crazy. I should have read this thread. xD

UNVOTE: Turnstile pisskop

This is where she introduces her thinking the other thread was

slower

than our thread. I let it pass, not so much because I thought this was typical of Titus, just that I didn't understand why she would think this.

It's possible she was just looking to do something silly and claim 'oh this is just me doing something weird because moonlogic so I must be town.' But I don't consider this as moonlogic. To me, moonlogic in regards to Titus is her making some outlandish connection from Point A to Point Z but there's no way for someone else to make that jump. There isn't really moonlogic-type jump here, just her doing something weird for the sake of it.

It's also possible she didn't want to focus too much on this thread here because she replaced scum and didn't know how to start pushing a bunch of players she knew were town.

She also turnstiles Pisskop because 'oh the other side is slower' but quickly unvotes when she supposedly realizes it isn't the slower thread. Which makes me think she doesn't actually want to turnstile Pisskop.

I am sad Titus has not been clamoring to interact with me yet given that I am her favorite person in this game

Titus who should I be scum reading right now?

right? she voted to have you leave the thread before reading the thread

You should be scumreading Skitter, maybe LLD.

LLD and Superbowl might have been theatre.

I'm looking at 778 in the other thread and I'm wondering if scum would ever be so bold as to say two of their teammates are never S v S.

I need someone to shoot down my skitter LLD superbowl theory before I get super tunnelled.

Can you rephrase 1390 Annie?

Can you please shoot down my LLD Superbowl Skitter theory or at least comment on it?

This is another weird train of thought in that I don't have a major issue with it and I personally didn't like the Suberbowl/LLD interactions (wasn't really paying attention to Skitter posts so idk), but she kept asking for someone to shoot down her theory. Sure, not wanting to get too tunneled may be a concern, but if she feels like she may be onto something, why ask for someone to break you out of a tunnel so early? It just seems like she wanted to push there but didn't want to actually follow through or become too invested.

Potential distancing here as well.

VOTE: Turnstyle pisskop

Not sure this is the best play, but I'm not sure enough to fight confirmed town.

Only really votes Pisskop because confirmed IC-Tammycho requested it.

If LLD is scum. SS is locktown. This is moonlogic that shall not be discussed.

@FL, When I said, "shall not be discussed", I meant "shall not be discussed".

Another weird interaction here.

Except this time she directly mentions 'moonlogic' here, as if that should be an indication she's going through a town thought process. Very performative and scummy.

@3200, I'm not locktowning FL. I happen to think he could be scum with LLD. There's no reason to have that fake melodrama as a top townread. You could disagree with my perception read sure. Top town? No way. She's only fake or defensive.

I want to be against a Pooky turnstyle for wagonomics reasons, but I think thread health needs it and that's why the wagonomics are off. Not sure.

Spiffeh, I claim a super powerful role. I claim all the powers. All of them.

VOTE: turnstyle pooky

I'm off to bed now. No crazy shenanigans.

Also, why is Pooky suddenly active there and nary a peep over here?

I most certainly am having those "too little resistance" feels and would like to nail down if I'm paranoid or not.

I get that in a way. I think Pooky was scum and they went along with the ejection to stage an S v S fight. Pooky never really hunted anyone here. Pooky mentions Flavor twice in his ISO. One is a joke about how Flav Flav shot him in a prior game. In the other, he campaigns to save Noraa from Flavor who is the main bad guy.

I do think the decision to send over Pooky rather than execute Pooky is largely scum driven. I have zero problems sending over scummy people to the other thread. I just have zero belief we're getting to no scum in here by d3, not with consensus anyway.

I do feel scum have infected the consensus but we're doing the right thing anyway. The slots we're sending over are the slots that are LHF. When we have no LHF then we'll see who is scum a bit easier. That's my theory anyway.

Titus went from 'I think I want to be against a Pooky turnstile but okay with it for thread health reasons' to 'I think that turnstile was largely scumdriven' when it was really driven by TammyCho. And she was part of the turnstile.

Also, in post 2400, she literally casts suspicion on Pooky for staging a fight with Flavor Leaf while acknowledging that Pooky already indicated he thought Flavor was potential scum for his push against Noraa.

This flip is just bizarre and I wouldn't be surprised if her sudden push against Pooky is just opportunism from her.

And then she continues to push Pooky as scum today despite setting up this bizarre FL-Pooky SvS universe.

Read zmuff's ISO and look at his approach to Shelly. He soft-defends Shelly, slowly comes around to scum being between A50 and Shelly but really tries hard not to commit to the read too much, then reacts to the roleclaim in post 2507 in a very weird way. Completely believes it it sounds like, and acting sad about the PR loss and like the elim is inevitable (to be fair it really was). In post 2527 argues the claim has no purpose as scum, because no survival value, but ends the post speculating on it being scum anyway.

After changing to a townread, counter to what seems like the majority opinion, Muff undercuts his townread of Shelly at every mention, never getting too close to derailing the wagon.

-Scorpia

VOTE: zmuffin

Bahhh.

Kind of curious about Muffin's thoughts on this, unless his various mentions of him not being sure if Titus is just being 'Titus' is referencing this.

At least Gyx explained what he liked about it.

This is probably just more opportunism from Titus.

Is SS claiming a role too?

Nope. It's my moonlogic.

Another reference to moonlogic. Performative.

Brian Skies - town lean

Opens up the day with a townlean on me.

Titus what's your read on Brian?

I feel Brian is tonally town but may be scum mechanically

Definitely not A CC and no desire to eliminate Brian atm

I feel like anyone who knows what I've been talking about today should know I can't be scum mechanically. But I don't really want to be read as town that way.

I was actually unsure what Titus meant by this. And the only thing I can think of is the Noraa NK because I mentioned that NachoTammy made a beautiful towncase on her on Day 1. But it's not a kill I would ever go for as scum, especially with Gyx already mentioning he thought Noraa was either scum or a role she wasn't interested in here (like, why would I ever make this kill; I go for PR's, not potential VT's).

This just feels like a comment set-up to throw suspicion my way. Even more so when she immediately backtracks on it as though that wasn't her intent.

Also note how she opens with a townread on me.

VOTE: Titus

I'm actually highly appreciative of Muffin pushing Gyx for this.

I was hoping to get someone else to make a case for me, and I suppose we can just have Gyx do it.

I feel like I'm probably going to end up making one anyway (although you all may have to wait for it since I'll be busy this weekend).

If you all just want to vote Titus of your own discretion, then that works too.

Been doing Xmas prep. Will catch up asap.

I haven't read this stuff in the middle, but this makes me suspect of BS scum with SS.

If SS is scum, scum want me dead prior to the merge. I'm not obvtowning enough to make that happen so BS pushes on me. Add in the fact the mechanics FoS them a bit and welll...

Muffin, SS, BS, Pooky, pisskop, skitter, LLD contains a shitload of scum btw

Titus, why is Brian Skies scummy?

The forcing a swap mechanic seems like a get out of jail card for scum here. The fact it was used to swap rather than eliminate pooky raises eyebrows of S S.

Brian could also be provoking LLD.

Muffin, SS, BS, Pooky, pisskop, skitter, LLD contains a shitload of scum btw

Titus, why is Brian Skies scummy?

The forcing a swap mechanic seems like a get out of jail card for scum here. The fact it was used to swap rather than eliminate pooky raises eyebrows of S S.

Brian could also be provoking LLD.

So your theory is I'm provoking my own teammate?

What?

That's not a precise team. I also forgot zmuffin.

The fact it was used to swap rather than eliminate pooky raises eyebrows of S S.

What's the connection between the Pooky swap and S_S?

Sorry that's you Scum and pooky Scum, not something smart.

Notice how quickly her stance on me changes the instant I express suspicion on her slot. And I didn't even have to say anything.

She immediately rushes into the thread and throws suspicion my way despite having me as a townlean earlier.

And nothing she accused me of was substantiated.

She said she thought there was a connection between the Pooky turnstile and myself. When asked her what that was, she produced nothing (because I had nothing to do with Pooky's turnstile).

And me being scum for provoking LLD is silly. I don't think LLD would care and I like to provoke everyone anyway.

Spoiler: Pisskop relevant posting

Excited.

oh boy. Yea lets just powerlynch something and move on. Narrow down our suspect pool before we sort everyone.

Sounds good Pisskop can we start with you.

you could.

but then i wouldnt be in the game anymore. Thus i must object. You need me, you see.

P: ummm idk. Id agree to no thread-swapping, but Im not so sure its in the spirit of the game. We might have some kind of hidden mechanic, and most likely scum can somehow influence the swaps or even make their own somehow.

Skitter needs to be yeeted. I'm only to post 201 but you should yeet him ASAP. The hyperfocus on yeeting Imperium is bad, particularly the early random shade. Most of her reads are shade. The townread on HP was unwarranted based on the their ISO at the time. Not sure if it's warranted now.

hmmmm this is good. A post by a person Ive known for years about a person I feel a connection with.

Flavor Leaf could be town.

bwahahahahaha

Flavor is honestly best dealt with by assuming they are town to begin with and then subtracting points for the things they do.

All you guys need to know is: I am town. I have utility.

ahhhh, well i did not know you ICed and i did not know i had to consent to be flipped.

sure i consent. one thread is as good as another.

vote: turnstyle piss

Thread 2 (Inverted)

boop

okay. merry 'mas

That's literally all Pisskop has done. We have "eliminated" scum in the forwards thread by turnstyling and eliminating. Two turnstyles means two opportunities to save scum from the elimination. We turnstyled Pooky and pisskop. Pooky's tried and got suspicion. Pisskop's been a bowl of lurky shit. His response to a prod is a prodge. That's inexcusable. Lim him.

Looking at Pisskop's posts, there's a major hint as to his partner. It's Brian Skies. He alludes to scum having a turnstyle mechanic because he already knows they have it.

Brian's role acts like a scum get out of jail free card. It can also act to disrupt another thread.

So I am strongly at Pisskop BS and Pooky all aligned.

The house of cards rests with Pisskop being scum. Flip him before Pooky.

We'll flip BS here first if I have a say.

VOTE: Brian Skies

And now she could very well be hardbussing Pisskop. I'm not sure if it's because she thinks that's why I was suspecting her, or if she just thinks she can tie me to him, or because I've been calling Pisskop scum for a while now and was perfectly fine eliminating him if he didn't turnstile, but I think it's hilarious and am fine with Pisskop being eliminated before Pooky (which should be obvious anyway).

[Dunnstral]

I feel like this thread has already been "remove all of the uncharismatic players" and I am partially guilty of that but now that it's been revealed A50 wasn't the last scum over here I feel like scum are deeper ingrained in the 'town-bloc' over here than I originally thought

finally, we're all coming 'round

I was never doing this though

[Bell]

Ahh, i’m so giddy right now.
It’s disappointing but I guess it would be boring if you guys never misread me to one extent or another.

Oh oh, do you wanna get me run up? Try your best.

Who’re my scum partners btw, I know you guys usually try to attach somebody, who was it?

Scummy reaction

VOTE: Bell

Explain what was scummy about it.

[Spiffeh]

Oh hey Brian

[Brian Skies]

I was on the last page, Spiffeh.

I think.

[Bell]

Tbf people really shouldn’t TR people for set up spec day 1.
Lots of scum just use ideas they had before they had a role pm and use it as a way to fake a town perspective.

Titus read is more difficult i’ll Read the rest of that.

[Dunnstral]

Ahh, i’m so giddy right now.
It’s disappointing but I guess it would be boring if you guys never misread me to one extent or another.

Oh oh, do you wanna get me run up? Try your best.

Who’re my scum partners btw, I know you guys usually try to attach somebody, who was it?

Scummy reaction

VOTE: Bell

Explain what was scummy about it.

[Bell]

So what you’re saying is, is that you don’t know what scummy looks like.

[Brian Skies]

I also recall myself thinking (and typing) that I thought it weird neither of Brian/Annie made a mention of midwaybear

I said I thought the bear was probably scum.

Unless you thought I was referencing Pooky, which kinda makes sense because of his avatar, but I clearly said I was still townreading Pooky in that post.