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Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:43 am**

Not high enough imo.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:06 am**

Ugh, I might have to move off NDMath as it appears that's not happening.

Murdercat is flipping town.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:27 am**

Stay, I might vote there I haven't reread the iso yet

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:04 am**

Murdercat, aside from being a special type physical powerhouse, whats the beef with you?

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:24 am**

that was only a problem until generation 4. though Flareon's physical fire moveset remains a little mediocre.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:29 am**

I'm more than happy to let Murder continue his analysis. As expressed previously, Shea is absolutely right in that MC does have minimal contribution in larges as both alignments, and I've actually seen relatively little in the realm of trying to engage with him.

Kitty, it kind of got buried but when you get a chance:

In post 4057, Bingle wrote:
In post 4001, MURDERCAT wrote:Ok I am sleeping now, here is how far I got.

Anya wagon analysis:

Ircher – Leaves a nonconsequential vote on Anya as the wagon grows all the way to hammer, but never really pushes it the way you would if you wanted bus cred I think.

Titus – I am going to wait to look at the start of D2 to understand Titus. I really don’t like that I am straight town in 1010 given my iso at that point. But actually I just looked back at it and I was somewhat active at the start. I’m also not sure what to make of anya being lean scum despite the quotes leading up to that post, but I guess lean scum is the strongest read in that list. Maybe Titus is just town actually, but I’m still going to reread the start of this day later. Ok future MC here, I think I will just townbin Titus.

Dunn – I don’t like how Dunn has shaded me, but there isn’t a lot of talk about Anya in either direction, it’s literally just the vote.

LLD – Still don’t like LLD, think it was a D1 bus. The quotes that I posted in 3993 just feel off to me. I know LLD is a forceful player but it’s too confident. Like what is 2752 even saying? What in the Anya quotes makes LLD “very certain”? And the reasoning in 2709 just feels so fake to me. “There is something genuine lacking there” isn’t a real thought imo.
I would like elaboration on all of these.

What makes Irch's vote nonconsequential while he's stuck in catchup hell? When was his opportunity to push for bus cred?

How is Titus's D2 a good look for Titus on the Anya wagon?

Why is Dunn's shade of absent you bad? Why isn't his vote without a push good for him in the same way as Irch's?

Why does LLD hardbus there? Have you played with LLD before?

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 am**

I like sigmunds' analysis of Fark.

I vaguely don't think Chara is scum. It feels genuine and solvey to me, and I don't think it's very S/S to indicative that Chara stuck it's neck for Anya when she was pretty likely to go down anyway.

I think there's something off in the Bell/Shea interaction wrt murderkitty, but I can't pinpoint what exactly. I'd like additional perspective there if people are around to give it to me. The entire back and forth just didn't feel very T/T at all.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:42 am**

In post 4159, Ircher wrote:You know, if you really wanted people to follow this, you would have posted it more prominently, not on a random page in normal font. This is especially true since this is contrary to standard mechanical play.

What the fuck is the point of this? Like... Casting shade on the IC for weak crumbing PGO as a largely WIFOM bit a day and a half ago is worth responding to? Why, in any world, is this your priority as town?

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:01 am**

In post 4216, Guillotina wrote:If I was scum and i got a roleblocker, i would both roleblock and nightkill the doctor claim. This is assuming they also have a killing role, because otherwise why roleblock the doctor if the only have one kill at their disposal.

This is weird, tbh. G spent a lot of time talking about how if I died last night, Sigmund should totally die today, but apparently doesn't recognize that if scum can roleblock a doc and then kill the IC it puts the doc in a really awkward position. I don't think that this is useful atm, but hopefully someone ISO dives and sees this if the game goes down to the wire and any of the involved parties are still around.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:06 am**

Gamestate wise, the lack of votes on Irch makes me think scum are just fine with the MC wagon, FWIW. I'm not TR-ing MC, but I definitely prefer the Ircher wagon and want MC to have a chance to give his thoughts at the very least.

VOTE: Ircher

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:16 am**

No if scum were fine with the wagon, MURDERCAT would already be hammered. Besides, "lack of votes" is blatantly false. I'm the second largest wagon.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:19 am**

VOTE: Bingle
IC or not, this needs to go.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:19 am**

VOTE: Titus

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:19 am**

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:23 am**

In post 4236, Ircher wrote:VOTE: Bingle
IC or not, this needs to go.

In post 4237, Ircher wrote:VOTE: Titus

Vote: Ircher

Fuck that, no.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:23 am**

In post 4158, NDMath wrote:There are numerous reasons it just doesn't work like that. If it did I would've answered before you asked.

Can you just make this clear

Like either (a) you were blocked from regenerating SP, or (b) you weren't blocked from regenerating SP, or (c) your role/some other known outside factor makes it so you can't tell whether you regenerated SP.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:26 am**

In post 4233, Bingle wrote:
In post 4216, Guillotina wrote:If I was scum and i got a roleblocker, i would both roleblock and nightkill the doctor claim. This is assuming they also have a killing role, because otherwise why roleblock the doctor if the only have one kill at their disposal.
This is weird, tbh. G spent a lot of time talking about how if I died last night, Sigmund should totally die today, but apparently doesn't recognize that if scum can roleblock a doc and then kill the IC it puts the doc in a really awkward position. I don't think that this is useful atm, but hopefully someone ISO dives and sees this if the game goes down to the wire and any of the involved parties are still around.

Eeeh? What? I never said anything about Sigmund dying today if you died last night. For an IC you are good at misconstruing people's words. How can you be an innocent child and yet be so scummy?
What i said was that you as the only mod confirmed town, should be protected at any cost and that if you died, then the doctor (whoever that doctor is, whether it is Sigmund or not) would not be doing a good job.

Now think about this, if Sigmund was roleblocked and you were protected, what does that mean? Does it mean that Sigmund is not who he claim he is? What does this mean for Morph who claimed targeting Sigmund?
If the kills were doc-dodges, why Toog and STD, instead of LLD, Morph, Bell or me who had more thread presence on day 1?

Or if Sigmund was roleblocked and you were not protected, what does it mean for you? Do you think scum leaves you alive if they consider you a threat? If you ate not a threat to them, why would that be? Do you have bad reads Do they have you in their pocket?

I think you look outside of the box a little Bingle.

PEDIT: Ircher just cut his own head. Kill him!

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:27 am**

VOTE: ircher

Sheeping lld/already expressed scumread

Plus I’m sure he shot at me last night and that makes me a sad panda

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:29 am**

Of course I did. Who else did you think I was going to shoot at last night?

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:30 am**

And guess what? If I survive this day, I'll be shooting at you again.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:31 am**

So why did you shoot Notscience?

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:33 am**

He's in my scum reads and isn't going to be faded any time soon, so HP damage is the only way forward.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:35 am**

In post 4246, Ircher wrote:He's in my scum reads and isn't going to be faded any time soon, so HP damage is the only way forward.

Why do you want to see the mod confirmed player faded? If you think he is wrong, why not work with him instead? Help him look at things from another perspective?

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:36 am**

GLADIATE: MURDERCAT

There, it's official now. Take your pick: MURDERCAT or me. You have no other options now.

Posted: **Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:36 am**

In post 4223, Guillotina wrote:Why did you attack STD?

I explained this at the start of the day

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