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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:03 am

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And I am the fisher? How come you can ask if I knew Boxman's replacement plans (which is not the case and seems a quite meaningless anyway) and I can't ask if you know something about Zwet we don't? You sure don't want your own criteria applied to yourself LoL

Whatever, I don't wanna know your role, and I sure don't wanna claim now, so let's leave the fishes alone in the pool.

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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:45 am

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How come you can ask if I knew Boxman's replacement plans
I didn't ask. I stated that a townie could not know that Boxman was going to ask to be replaced.
Zwet's claim was illogical, not motivated and, above all, not confirmable, as it will probably be unconfirmable for two other days, if Boxman counts as Day 2 replacement.
The claim IS confirmable. It is illogical to claim Boxman replacing out as justification for your attack on Zwet.
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:39 am

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It was OBVIOUSLY not a justification for my day 1 interrogation. It was just an example I used to make it clear how hard it is to confirm a similar role. I am afraid you think I am idiot, Kast. And I am offended. This is an almost flavourless theme game, you join late, but we have been here for weeks wandering in the dark and listening to the meaningless chit-chat of Starbuck and Looker. I did my best to explore different possibilities. Zwet role remains unconfirmed, which doesn't mean he is scum, but it is a fact that his role is unconfirmed, his claim was sudden and out of nowhere and it was legitimate to ask about it.
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:02 am

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you think I am idiot, Kast. And I am offended.
Apologies, that is not what I think or meant to imply. I think you are scum.

Also, you shouldn't have asked the mod to clarify the replacement situation until D3. Sounds like you want to know if you have to kill him tonight.
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:03 am

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I did my best to explore different possibilities.
To be clear, this is appreciated. If you hushed up and lurked, I probably wouldn't have caught your tells.
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:35 am

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Rule 17 has been added for clarity. It reads:
"If a faction completes its win condition, the game ends immediately."
If there is a jester in this game and that role bearer is lynched, then the game does end immediately.

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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:50 am

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@Light-Kun-

To be clear, if a theoretical Jester was the only remaining threat to the town and he is lynched, would the town still win?
The Jester wins alone.
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:39 pm

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Kast your accusations of role fishing are huge stretches. Plus, zwet's claim is in practice confirmable but with the amount of replacements these days, it's a viable scum gambit.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:42 pm

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Alduskkel wrote:Kast your accusations of role fishing are huge stretches. Plus, zwet's claim is in practice confirmable but with the amount of replacements these days, it's a viable scum gambit.
Are you really making me claim my other half of my role?
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:02 pm

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zwetschenwasser wrote:
Alduskkel wrote:Kast your accusations of role fishing are huge stretches. Plus, zwet's claim is in practice confirmable but with the amount of replacements these days, it's a viable scum gambit.
Are you really making me claim my other half of my role?
No. I'm not "making" you and I'd prefer if you didn't.
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:11 pm

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@Zwet-
No he isn't. I never understand you, but I really don't see why you love claiming so much.
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:31 pm

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Kast wrote:
Alduskkel wrote:I think we should leave zwet alone and have him kill who we want him to under threat of lynch. If he can't kill, LAL.
If you were talking about a sane player, you would make sense here. You aren't. We should make him demonstrate his power if he is alive on D3, but if he can't, it doesn't mean he is scum.
I don't care how poor a player someone is. If they claim a role, and then when given the opportunity to prove the claim and can't, then LYNCH THEM.
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:15 pm

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Also, realized I didn't post this. Originally a summary after my notes, mostly updated since.

Loosely ordered suspicion list:
lewarcher82- Scum. Fishing, trying to kill PR's, wishy-washy behavior regarding vote leaders (both town). Used AtE and craplogic defense.
Boxman- Possible Scum. Mostly neutral read. The looking for replacement in a game with claimed PR who is limited by replacements isn't great.

Paradoxombie- Neutral. Haven't seen anything that stands out much. Strongly disagree with his position about vigs.
DeathNote- Neutral.Some good posts, but they seem pretty sparse. Overall, this is a pretty weak read.
Jebus- Neutral. Didn't see much from Archon. Still only seen promises to catch up and no content.
Sironigous- Neutral.Pro-town posting, but nothing strongly indicative of alignment. I want to see his D1 posting continue here.
Alduskell- Neutral.Active and some good posts. Still not probable town, but just outside that range.

zwetschenwasser- Prob Town.Random as normal. He made an unprompted claim of a day-demonstrable power which is too risky as a scum move.
Kast- Self/Confirmed Town.I know I am town. Been active and pro-town since replacing in.

Looker- Dead/Confirmed Town.Not a big loss. Dislike stubborn and intentionally unpleasant behavior.
Starbuck- Dead/Confirmed Town.Didn't see much useful contributions from her. But on the other hand, the argument with Looker could be a distraction.
YamiJoey- Dead/Confirmed Town.For a replacement, he was contributing a lot and staying quite active. Definitely not as harmless as losing the other two.
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:05 pm

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Alduskkel wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:
Alduskkel wrote:Kast your accusations of role fishing are huge stretches. Plus, zwet's claim is in practice confirmable but with the amount of replacements these days, it's a viable scum gambit.
Are you really making me claim my other half of my role?
No. I'm not "making" you and I'd prefer if you didn't.
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:40 pm

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Kast wrote:
paradoxombie wrote:Maybe if you guys want everyone to post more you should reduce your posting so everyone's not sitting on the sidelines of your argument, and they won't have so much to digest before they post.
This is a BS excuse. If you think they're posting irrelevant or distracting crap, then just ignore it and post something relevant. Players here are much more capable than you are giving them credit for. They're just extremely lazy and need to be pushed. Instead of joining the lazy crowd and blaming active players, join the actives and force the lazy guys out.
I happened to be one of the more active players at that point(imo) and it is hardly a BS excuse if it's exactly what happened. We didn't have much to go on and they sucked up attention, while simultaneously being too dense to understand(even to each other). You said it yourself that they were a distraction.

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Paradoxombie wrote:The fact is, a vig is more dangerous to town than scum. Plus we get almost zero info from the vig versus a bandwagon, where we get a lot.
False and completely unjustified.
Well I'd call it justified by my experience in the last game which I lost. Like I said, the vig nailed 2 scum in 2 shots, but the town never got it's bearings from any real bandwagons and we lost. That's enough justification for me to see things differently this time.

I think Kasts accusations of Role fishing are interesting, Lew does look eager for info.
lewarcher82 wrote:If I were scum and I thought zwet's claim was real, I would have killed him at night, I wouldn't have attacked him during day. His claim was suspect, that is all. You weren't here, but interrogating him looked like a better idea than joining the stupid Star/Looker contest, which was, as the facts show, a no-scum-noise-only situation.
Hmm almost as if you knew what would look better...?

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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:55 pm

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@Paradox: Either I knew it or I was smart enough to see what was happening.

@Kast: you are right about one thing at least. I shouldn't have asked Mod about Boxman's replacement. I was just interested in the answer, but I see why it sounds scummy. My bad. The rest of your argumentation is little more than insisting that I am fishing whenever I mention the behaviour of another player and I wonder what role he is (which is unfortunately the goal of this game)...

A sidenote: I completed the re-read, and if I were scum, I would be an idiot killing Yami, since he was a very active player who thought I am at least an "iffy" town.
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:26 pm

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@Lewarcher-
Did you just claim scum?
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:54 am

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no
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:21 am

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@lewarcher-
Why did you say mafia killed YJ? There were two deaths last night.

Sounds like a scumslip.
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:34 am

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I was simply assuming both victims were killed by scum (mafia or killers or whatever). Possibly wrong, it is true. You think some vig did one of the killings instead? We would have a dayvig and a nightvig?
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:54 am

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@Mod-

-Can I request prods on Sironigous, Deathnote, and Jebus please?
-Also, can the town as a whole request no replacement for Boxman (or request a delay on replacement until D3)?

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I have to admire your dedication. Even when caught, you're still fishing.
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:14 am

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I only posted cuz I'll be on V/LA: sorry for that. Hate to do it when attacked, but cannot help it, job stuff.

But I also have to thank you for admiring me. I admire your dedication, too. I am not fishing, I was sarcastic, I do not think that "brutally murdered" can be anything else than a scum kill, and both victims were brutally murdered. Check out the daystart post.

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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:18 am

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Lew you really might be digging your grave with this one. I'd like some more people to give opinons on him.

Yeah I meant to ask what you guys thought of the first kill, because the description certainly isn't normal. I have read the deathnote manga and I can only guess that it was done by kira.
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:54 am

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@Paradoxombie-
This game takes place during
Death Note: Another Note
which precedes the manga. Kira doesn't exist yet. You can check out the wiki but a short summary is that Beyond Birthday (one of the successors for L) wants to prove that he is better than L by making a crime L can't solve. He kills some people (whose all have alliterative names). Naomi Misora is an FBI agent assigned to the case. BB pretends to be L and works with NM on the case. L is also in contact with NM. NM finally realizes that "L" is really BB and stops him from committing suicide (the final part of his crime).

Flavor argues that BB is probably some type of Suicidal-SK and is probably lying low (off-hand I'd guess Sironigous or Jebus).

-Both of the deaths have pretty weird flavor attached. I don't see anything that indicates affiliation of who committed either.

@Lewarcher-
-Given the activity levels, your V/LA probably won't matter. I wouldn't be surprised if you're back before the others check in. Enjoy your time off.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:02 am

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Damn... why are key people running this game? It intimidates me and I find it hard to get involved in the conversation.
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