Big Brother Mafia - Town wins!

[Crazy]

I realize the statement I said about Snow/zwet showing honest ignorance of the setup being a town-tell was false... since scum would not necessarily know that they were not the only scum, unless if they read the first post. So meh.

Also, ani voting for Sens is so scummy I'd 100% advocate lynching him based on that alone. Think about it - if someone is replaced, then THEY CAN'T WIN! So how can asking to be replaced be scummy?

(Paltry's questioning is dead-on there.)

[SlySly]

Think about it - if someone is replaced, then THEY CAN'T WIN! So how can asking to be replaced be scummy?

WIFOM. If scum feels exposed and fear they are about to be evicted, they feel they can't win already, so why not throw a fit and ask to be replaced?

I already thought Sens was scummy before his request to be replaced though and my thoughts on him weren't ad hom anyway. Before his request, he did lurk, he was over-defensive and he did attempt to delay discussion multiple times. I see animo's vote on him as a distancing tactic.

[Mr Finch]

Initial suspicions:
Scum team 1: kmd/zwet/llama
Scum team 2: Sens/animopherv/(saber or Grandi pablito)

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My initial suggestions (definitely due to change based on discussion):

Pick 1 - kmd (alternate Sens)
Pick 2 - zwet (alternate animopherv)

I would prefer Sens to KMD but have no problem with zwet. Mainly because of Sens throwing toys out of his pram and asking to be replaced. If we nom KMD and zwet then we get no read from KMD on final eviction votes. My guess would be that if Sens and zwet were up then KMD would vote for Sens over Zwet. THis is my gut read.

From the suspicions list above I definitely prefer saber over Pablito. All I get from pablito right now is pro-town, calling out anybody on anything that might read scummy.

Sly is tunneling and OMGUSing so badly towards me, it's not even funny.

I disagree. I think he's pushed hard on you but at the same time he has looked at every other player too (post 376) and only listed you as an alternate.

Really? You appear to be the tunneler. With this response, one would think I had listed you as my main nominee. How about getting over the fact that you are one of my alternate choices and start discussing the pros and cons of the 2 I have actually suggested putting up. If you refuse, that will speak for itself. My suggestions can change before I finalize them.

Have either of you thought that you could both be scum on opposing factions? That's the way that this tunnelling exchange reads to me right now.

As far as my read on saber, it is more of an idiot read. There is a difference. He could be scum or he could be a VI townie with some form of invulnerability. He is an obvious enough bad player to leave alive for now. I doubt anyone will give him the HoH and I am sure that he is on the radar of any town player that might get HoH.

Idiot read/VI. Unless it's a role he's purposely playing I disagree. I don't think he is a bad player. Having read other games he is perfectly capable of making reasonable discussion and informed decisions. I don't believe he has POV, I think there's just one and I believe Paltry when he says he has it this week. I having read later posts in this game I am leaning more towards scum rather than a bad player. I still want him gone.

assume that if you use it, it is gone, leaving the town more vulnerable. I think that is good reason to not test your POV just for clarification. That way you can pass it along to someone you feel is a townie and it still be available as a town tool.

That's the way I read the POV too. It's a one shot deal and when it's gone it's gone.

Mod: Replace me

I won't tolerate playing with people who ad hom (saber, Sly) or cheat (saber).

I can't find it in the Wiki, can someone tell me what Ad Hom is please? I must admit that I had considered something similar if Saber didn't start playing properly or was evicted. I saw it as desperation when I considered it and would rather suffer him him than ruin my enjoyment of the game, hence my still being here.

I don't know if your noticing this, but saber has actually started to play.

No, he hasn't. All he's done is laugh at Sens for asking to be replaced and then voted him. I don't disagree with the vote but I cannot forget that earlier in the game Saber admitted that he knows Sens in meat world and that (in my mind) is just Saber using the game to get in a dig at Sens. I get the feeling that they will stir at the simplest opportunity.

[Mr Finch]

Initial suspicions:
Scum team 1: kmd/zwet/llama
Scum team 2: Sens/animopherv/(saber or Grandi pablito)

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My initial suggestions (definitely due to change based on discussion):

Pick 1 - kmd (alternate Sens)
Pick 2 - zwet (alternate animopherv)

I would prefer Sens to KMD but have no problem with zwet. Mainly because of Sens throwing toys out of his pram and asking to be replaced. If we nom KMD and zwet then we get no read from KMD on final eviction votes. My guess would be that if Sens and zwet were up then KMD would vote for Sens over Zwet. THis is my gut read.

From the suspicions list above I definitely prefer saber over Pablito. All I get from pablito right now is pro-town, calling out anybody on anything that might read scummy.

Sly is tunneling and OMGUSing so badly towards me, it's not even funny.

I disagree. I think he's pushed hard on you but at the same time he has looked at every other player too (post 376) and only listed you as an alternate.

Really? You appear to be the tunneler. With this response, one would think I had listed you as my main nominee. How about getting over the fact that you are one of my alternate choices and start discussing the pros and cons of the 2 I have actually suggested putting up. If you refuse, that will speak for itself. My suggestions can change before I finalize them.

Have either of you thought that you could both be scum on opposing factions? That's the way that this tunnelling exchange reads to me right now.

As far as my read on saber, it is more of an idiot read. There is a difference. He could be scum or he could be a VI townie with some form of invulnerability. He is an obvious enough bad player to leave alive for now. I doubt anyone will give him the HoH and I am sure that he is on the radar of any town player that might get HoH.

Idiot read/VI. Unless it's a role he's purposely playing I disagree. I don't think he is a bad player. Having read other games he is perfectly capable of making reasonable discussion and informed decisions. I don't believe he has POV, I think there's just one and I believe Paltry when he says he has it this week. I having read later posts in this game I am leaning more towards scum rather than a bad player. I still want him gone.

assume that if you use it, it is gone, leaving the town more vulnerable. I think that is good reason to not test your POV just for clarification. That way you can pass it along to someone you feel is a townie and it still be available as a town tool.

That's the way I read the POV too. It's a one shot deal and when it's gone it's gone.

Mod: Replace me

I won't tolerate playing with people who ad hom (saber, Sly) or cheat (saber).

I can't find it in the Wiki, can someone tell me what Ad Hom is please? I must admit that I had considered something similar if Saber didn't start playing properly or was evicted. I saw it as desperation when I considered it and would rather suffer him him than ruin my enjoyment of the game, hence my still being here.

I don't know if your noticing this, but saber has actually started to play.

No, he hasn't. All he's done is laugh at Sens for asking to be replaced and then voted him. I don't disagree with the vote but I cannot forget that earlier in the game Saber admitted that he knows Sens in meat world and that (in my mind) is just Saber using the game to get in a dig at Sens. I get the feeling that they will stir at the simplest opportunity.

[Snow_Bunny]

I actually don't find Sens' request for replacement scummy. More like a childish attitude, but that's all. Why, I have found myself in that exact position in the past (though I never requested a replacement), and I can sort of understand that.

[PaltryExcuse]

That's the way I read the POV too. It's a one shot deal and when it's gone it's gone.

Once I receive notice that the current holder wishes to use the power, I will reveal the results of said power, as well as the history of who has had that power during each week in the game. POV will no longer be in play as of game day 8. After day 8 there will no longer be a POV in the game.
If the POV is used it will go back into play and given to a player at random. Once used a second time the POV will no longer be in the game.

It can be used twice. And once used, everyone will know who had it, and when.

Ad hominem is when you attack the player, instead of the argument. It's a logical fallacy. An example would be: "That player has a horrible record as town, so they must be wrong this game."

[Mr Finch]

That's the way I read the POV too. It's a one shot deal and when it's gone it's gone.

Once I receive notice that the current holder wishes to use the power, I will reveal the results of said power, as well as the history of who has had that power during each week in the game. POV will no longer be in play as of game day 8. After day 8 there will no longer be a POV in the game.
If the POV is used it will go back into play and given to a player at random. Once used a second time the POV will no longer be in the game.

It can be used twice. And once used, everyone will know who had it, and when.

Ad hominem is when you attack the player, instead of the argument. It's a logical fallacy. An example would be: "That player has a horrible record as town, so they must be wrong this game."

Thankyou.

[animorpherv1]

@Crazy:

I find that replacing out of games is a bad habit for scum, when noone is listeneing to them. I would never do that, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same. And, just in case you haven't noticed, what Sens is doing is either really childish, or scummy, and he deserves to die because of both.

[LlamaFluff]

@Crazy:

I find that replacing out of games is a bad habit for scum, when noone is listeneing to them. I would never do that, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same. And, just in case you haven't noticed, what Sens is doing is either really childish, or scummy, and he deserves to die because of both.

Why is childish lynch worthy?
Why is replacing out lynch worthy?

[animorpherv1]

@Crazy:

I find that replacing out of games is a bad habit for scum, when noone is listeneing to them. I would never do that, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same. And, just in case you haven't noticed, what Sens is doing is either really childish, or scummy, and he deserves to die because of both.

Why is childish lynch worthy?

ruining the spirit of the game. Making it less fun, difficult to read that person and difficult to think of connections when there bitching at everyone.

Why is replacing out lynch worthy?

Same as above, without the last one. With the exception of being too busy to play, becaus it's actually a good reason. Also, replacing out in a game with 1 week deadlines (like this) makes it tough on everyone else.

[LlamaFluff]

But he is replacing out, that seems to wipe everything but the last point you came up with.

[PaltryExcuse]

@Crazy:

I find that replacing out of games is a bad habit for scum, when noone is listeneing to them. I would never do that, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same. And, just in case you haven't noticed, what Sens is doing is either really childish, or scummy, and he deserves to die because of both.

Why is childish lynch worthy?

ruining the spirit of the game. Making it less fun, difficult to read that person and difficult to think of connections when there bitching at everyone.

Why is replacing out lynch worthy?

Same as above, without the last one. With the exception of being too busy to play, becaus it's actually a good reason. Also, replacing out in a game with 1 week deadlines (like this) makes it tough on everyone else.

I completely disagree. I say, if someone isn't participating, doesn't want to participate, replace them. Not that I want everyone to be replaced, but I don't want policy lynches based on emotion. It doesn't make them lynch worthy because they get angry and quit. To assume you know their exact reasons (that they have to be scum) is to assume you know the individual much better than you possibly can, IMO.

[animorpherv1]

Well, 1 out of 5 is

good

for me! Normally it's 0/10. I'm improving.

Honestly, though, I don't understand why people don't just continue to play even when things don't look good for them. I completly wished (and still wish) I didn't nominate Sens page 1, and waitied for some info before I nominated anyone. *bashes head on computer* For me, playing -and having a good time while I'm at it- Is as important (or more) then wininng. If I was to go out Day 1, I WOULD be fine with that, wish my team good luck, then pack my bags and leave (so to speak)

Note to self:

should start playing Newbies, and get better, imo

[PaltryExcuse]

Well, 1 out of 5 is

good

for me! Normally it's 0/10. I'm improving.

I don't know what this means.

[animorpherv1]

Well, 1 out of 5 is

good

for me! Normally it's 0/10. I'm improving.

I don't know what this means.

I thought it was obvious. I never get my tells right.

[farside22]

Mod: Replace me

I won't tolerate playing with people who ad hom (saber, Sly) or cheat (saber).

Sigh. I will work on this tomorrow.

[Crazy]

WIFOM. If scum feels exposed and fear they are about to be evicted, they feel they can't win already, so why not throw a fit and ask to be replaced?

That could potentially happen, but it's not likely, since most people would just rather be evicted and hope their scumbuddies win it for them. It seems like you just made up a reason so it

could

be scummy.

I actually don't find Sens' request for replacement scummy. More like a childish attitude, but that's all. Why, I have found myself in that exact position in the past (though I never requested a replacement), and I can sort of understand that.

Cool, I agree.

@Crazy:

I find that replacing out of games is a bad habit for scum, when noone is listeneing to them. I would never do that, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same. And, just in case you haven't noticed, what Sens is doing is either really childish, or scummy, and he deserves to die because of both.

No, he doesn't. It's childish, but it's not scummy. You could maybe make an argument that he was scummy already before he asked to be replaced, but I know that's not what you were talking about when you voted him.

[SlySly]

WIFOM. If scum feels exposed and fear they are about to be evicted, they feel they can't win already, so why not throw a fit and ask to be replaced?

That could potentially happen, but it's not likely, since most people would just rather be evicted and hope their scumbuddies win it for them. It seems like you just made up a reason so it

could

be scummy.

I didn't make anything up. I have seen it happen before.

[Crazy]

WIFOM. If scum feels exposed and fear they are about to be evicted, they feel they can't win already, so why not throw a fit and ask to be replaced?

That could potentially happen, but it's not likely, since most people would just rather be evicted and hope their scumbuddies win it for them. It seems like you just made up a reason so it

could

be scummy.

I didn't make anything up. I have seen it happen before.

If it doesn't make sense logically, then one coincidence that you point out isn't going to change that.

[farside22]

Reminder to the HOH. Looking for a replacement for Sens

Please post in bold your nomination by Dec 7th 4:40pm PST

Once you place 2 nominee's in bold you can not change your mind.

Thank you.

[SlySly]

If it doesn't make sense logically, then one coincidence that you point out isn't going to change that.

Temper tantrums don't have to make sense logically and you trying to dismiss the possibility doesn't make it cease to exist.

[SlySly]

Reminder to the HOH. Looking for a replacement for Sens

Please post in bold your nomination by Dec 7th 4:40pm PST

Once you place 2 nominee's in bold you can not change your mind.

Thank you.

Oh crap. Time snuck up on me...

1.

nominate: kmd

2.

nominate: Sens

zwet and saber are easy enough targets for the next HoH. kmd is the person I feel is the craftiest scum, so I want to put him up against someone that I feel gives him the best shot at being evicted.

[PaltryExcuse]

Temper tantrums don't have to make sense logically and you trying to dismiss the possibility doesn't make it cease to exist.

What doesn't make logical sense in my mind is why a tantrum implies scum.

[SlySly]

What doesn't make logical sense in my mind is why a tantrum implies scum.

Without all the other scummy things Sens was doing before his request to be replaced, it really wouldn't and would really just be WIFOM.

[farside22]

Sly has nominated Kmd and Sens for eviction.
Sens and KMD please send me a PM of who you wish to have as HOH in case you are evicted.
Nominee and the current HOH do not vote.

Once you vote in bold you can not change your vote.

Everyone has until December 14th, 8:40am PST to vote. If you do not vote you may be mod killed.