Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:29 am
Kirby's wagon may be the largest outside of mine, but I don't see it growing any time soon.
Add something to the discussion, you've been very quietBrian Hollywood wrote:hmmmm....after reading this entire thread, which took me a billion years, I am going to do this..
UNVOTE: MPR
Also, Gollum, I do know better;-)
Half of those posts were RVS, and the other half were him making great points against Diddin, what the heckAlso the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.
Agreedtanstalas wrote:@bolded - Or we could be giving the mafia an extra kill per day as well, sorry to be the debbie downer here, but are you 100% sure that the person everyday who gets the smash ball is pro-town? Also by using the smash ball we have a greater chancer in the EARLY game to accidently take out a fellow townie as there (probably - unless we have a bastard mod ) are a lot more townies than mafia.Pikachu wrote:[AGM]
the mod wrote:It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...
Whatever. Even if this is true, I think FOR THE EARLY GAME we should just let the person shoot whomever they want. This way, scum and dumbtown can't interfere with the shot. We can play around with consensus shooting later when things become more tight.
HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.SGR wrote:you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp
Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.
ALSO SETH STOP SELF-VOTING. YOU AREN'T COOL. Change that vote to some scum. Unless you are scum, in which case go ahead and leave it there. Or unless it's a mod error, in which case mod fix pl0x.
Ifanythingwe as a town should decide who to target with the abilityearly gamesince we KNOW if will ALWAYS work.
If the person with the ball doesn't kill who we as a TOWN say to kill then it's an easy vote the next day for a lynch
That's my thoughts on the matter anyhow, anyone else see anything I may have overlooked?
The thing is... that may not always work, as you said, there are dumb newbies, and we can't keep town-voting the same guyPikachu wrote:[AGM]
@tanstalas - NOOOO because there are SCUM in the game and they GET TO VOTE TOO. And they will NOT VOTE TO KILL SCUM. Also, there are probably lots of dumb townies who can mess up the vote as well. Whereas if we just give it to someone who is probtown and good at shooting gunz (which they better be 'cause we VOTED FOR THEM as obvtown, remember) then they can shoot scum without scum messing them up.
ALSO THE ABOVE POST WAS [AGM] TOO, SUCK IT NACHO.
Its a good idea, it works as a second lynch, we'l just have to play smartly with itFurry wrote:Also MPR still needs lynching.
So far he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason (not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.
untown vote
townvote fate
This needs doing. Fate now appears insane, but able to kill idiot scum easily enough.
WHY?Furry wrote:Basically.Kocc42 wrote:@Furry: Is the MPR's strategy with the smashballs the same one as tastalas's?
Any "everyone decides how it gets used" thing is a bad idea. You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.
Regardless, many guys use it in the sense I said rather than yoursKirbyoshi wrote:Meh, agreeing to disagree. Imo, the fun is in making up some weird reason for voting for someone and then watching their reaction to the vote.SGR wrote:There are NO RVS REASONS, that's the point, its random, that's the fun
Soon, our "king" will be powerlessFate wrote:I'm against the secondary lynch for reasons others have stated.
Also:
1. The town is compromised of scum, whereas if you "King" town (me) you are guaranteed unbiased decision making.
2. Trying to discuss two lynches at once is very difficult and not optimal because the game is designed that you can only make one at a time for a reason: To be able to search for connections only after the first flip, which can't be done as it will be night.
3. I'm Fate and I like killing scum with my own hands.
Your strategy was awful, you then proceeded to mask it as if you were just misunderstood and then you proceeded to mask it as just a way to advance from RVSdiddin wrote:Honestly right now the wagon on me is terrible, half the people on it haven't even contributed original reasoning and just sheeped. People like VEZOKENER are likely scum who are trying to blend in by voting the leading wagon.
Pure WIFOM and what about it makes you think i'm lying?manho wrote:it is really scummy. i don't believe in any RVS-ending gambit. and after re-reading the original post, i really don't think it was an intentional gambit, so diddin is lying and should be lynched.diddin wrote:I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.
It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.
Also pointless WIFOM and never even explains why it's scummy. He sounds like I planned on having everyone self-townvote forever, which I wasn't.Kocc42 wrote:@Diddin: I had to read through a lot of pages and reading quickly, I didn't see what was different between the 2 plays, after it was explained however I understood. Fate has a high expectation to meet and asked for the immunity and kill. You proposed a pointless strategy of everyone only self voting and now you claim it was just to make things take a serious turn. But if you hadn't been called out for it would you have continued, under the guise that you're just a cautious townie?
Wagonvote with no reasoning given.Zaziesurio wrote:Y'know, I just read diddin's iso, and I don't buy it.
unlynch vote: Mongoose
lynch vote: diddin
Still don't like Mongoose, though.
Bandwagon vote for no reason.xVEZOKENERx wrote:Let's lynch diddin then.
unvote
Vote diddin
So my wagon is pretty much screaming scumdriven right now over WFOM and RVS gambits.
Ladies and Gentleman, a clear desperate statement that will hopefully lead to a save from his lynchdiddin wrote:While it's true I haven't commented too much on other wagons, I've been defending myself so much I haven't really had time. I don't know why but I haven't really gotten into this game too much. I can say I like Pikachu's case on Kirby a lot and he's my current choice for lynch.Pikachu wrote:[FRIEND]
WHAT ABOUT FATE'S VOTE
also,Town-Vote: Furry. IMO he's been more town than Fate but I wouldn't be against fate getting a smash ball.
Nacho's vote was before I said that the apparent contradiction with Kirby was due to me taking it out of context. Ever since that he hasn't said a word about me, so it's hard to tell what he thinks now.
Nice bullshit, you're clearly desperatediddin wrote:Kirby's wagon may be the largest outside of mine, but I don't see it growing any time soon.
This is such a filthy lie it annoys mediddin wrote:I was using it to generate discussion and get out of RVS, i didn't seriously think everyone would actually self-townvote. Now that we're clearly out of RVS I believe I canun-townvote.
I also don't understand Kocc42's total 180 from not thinking what I'm doing is any different than what fate's doing to BOTH townvoting fate and voting me in the same post without even giving a reason I'm scummy, just that I'm wrong, and being wrong != being scummy.
Self voting doesn't generate discussion, to generate discussion one should town vote for the people they have town reads on. (or at least make a joke vote and look at reactions). Obviously everyone would have incentive to get the smashball and every townie knows themself to be town, but that gets us nowhere. Selfvoting for the most part is pointless and distracting.diddin wrote:Seriously, what is the scum-motive to have everybody self-townvote at the beginning of RVS? Obviously somebody's gonna get the smashball, I don't see why it's scummy to recommend people to self-townvote to generate discussion.
I'm not claiming unless I'm at at least L-2 or there's a large amount of people who want me to.
My reasoning for the "second lynch" thing is that I do not know any of you from a hole in the wall (and equally vice-versa) as this is the first game I have played with any of you. You guys seem to have played with each other before and probably have a better read on others depending on how they post hence have a better idea who is pro-town and who to give the ball to.manho wrote:if anyone is a rider, you should claim now.
tanstalas is not scum. the bus driver things is a null tell, town tell if there is indeed a bus driver. his vibe is good, though i don't agree with the "second lynch" thing.
i still don't know why MPR is scum, but he is a good policy lynch target.
however, diddin is still the lynch.
Okay, yeah, I could have popped in and said "I agree, that selfvoting gambit is pretty distracting and anti-town" or "hey, stop trying to make the wagon look bad instead of actually defending yourself." But everyone else was doing such a good job of it I figured my posts would be redundant and look sheep-ish.diddin wrote:Switz votes me for the apparent contradiction that I explained to be out of context, hasn't commented on me since, as well as this odd "people FoSing and HoSing him with out voting" thing I don't understand.
No. We do not ever use the idea. The ONLY case where it may be applicable is a very late game scenario where the ball is forceably given to someone who is not considered town. Apart from that, no you do not direct someone. Same foolish train of thought as "derp vig should kill themselves to prove not SK derp derp". Bad plans. Also what happens if you have the ball, everyone wants you to kill someone who you are convinced is town. Are you going to do it? Do not think most people would. If someone did I would be happy enough lynching them for killing someone they thought was town.SGRaaize wrote:Its a good idea, it works as a second lynch, we'l just have to play smartly with itFurry wrote:Also MPR still needs lynching.
So far he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason (not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.
untown vote
townvote fate
This needs doing. Fate now appears insane, but able to kill idiot scum easily enough.
I'm willing to let Fate do this one alone, but I think next day we should start using the idea
You do not understand what I mean apparently. Everyone has moves that make sense for what they have been thinking and what role they are. It is descrepancies between what people would normally do and what they actually do that provide some of the greatest tells in this game. The actions that do not line up with what they had been saying, or with what they claim. If someone steps over a line to make a kill on town, they are probably scum. These types of kills are likely traceable too if you know what to look for.WHY?Furry wrote:Basically.Kocc42 wrote:@Furry: Is the MPR's strategy with the smashballs the same one as tastalas's?
Any "everyone decides how it gets used" thing is a bad idea. You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.
Why do you want everyone responsible? If we use this as a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust Mafia easily, its fair worse if they can just kill random townies and say "Oops, sorry guys, he was really acting scummy in "[Random Number]" and "[Random Number]""
If we just go with a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust scum, not only that, but it might lead us to finding 2 scummies instead of 1 in one night, and if you add this to having lynched 1 scummy before, its a total of 3 Scummies killed because of one smash ball
Saw the claim of Luigi and remembered this post, so I checked the signup thread. The signup thread does not say that the scum HAVE fakeclaims, it says "the player list IS long, but we tried to incoroporate most of the cahrachters, but enough to leave room for fakeclaims."frayed wrote:Vezokener is prob town.
Mod already said scum have fakeclaims in the sign up thread. Read better people.
diddin wrote:forgot something
It's pretty fucking obvious from that sentence the scum have safeclaims I'd say. I mean the thing you quoted pretty much states it flat out.tanstalas wrote:Saw the claim of Luigi and remembered this post, so I checked the signup thread. The signup thread does not say that the scum HAVE fakeclaims, it says "the player list IS long, but we tried to incoroporate most of the cahrachters, but enough to leave room for fakeclaims."frayed wrote:Vezokener is prob town.
Mod already said scum have fakeclaims in the sign up thread. Read better people.
That to me does not sound like scum were given fakeclaim roles, but only that they can try and say they are someone and pray to god that noone else has a counterclaim...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AMEN. You dun goofed.Fate wrote:diddin wrote:forgot something
^Lynch diddin now. Switch your votes over to him and get him lynched.
You should know why.
Yeah,
you.