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smargaret wrote:
Would someone please hammer and end this day?

StrangerCoug wrote:

VOTE COUNT

animorpherv1 (5): Parama, smargaret, Amrun, bobsnox, Empking
Baby Spice (1): Twistedspoon
smargaret (3): populartajo, Surye, TheLonging
Twistedspoon (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): animorpherv1, Zinger2099, xvart

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

TheLonging is due to be prodded in about nine hours.

Parama wrote:Okay. Here's the deal.
People on the smargaret wagon. You help me lynch ani-scum today and I'll sheep your wagon tomorrow. Deal?

populartajo wrote:

StrangerCoug wrote:

VOTE COUNT

animorpherv1 (5): Parama, smargaret, Amrun, bobsnox, Empking
Baby Spice (1): Twistedspoon
smargaret (3): populartajo, Surye, TheLonging
Twistedspoon (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): animorpherv1, Zinger2099, xvart

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

TheLonging is due to be prodded in about nine hours.

still not seeing how a third party response fakeclaimer would express doubts about a third party.

Twistedspoon wrote:scum pick on the easiest targets or lurkers. They have a high chance of being lynched and hardly fight back

Twistedspoon wrote::0
but I want a BS lynch

xvart wrote:

I'm not going to go into much detail but I firmly believe that the best course of action, regardless of Ani's alignment, is to let him live. There are several town benefits from him living tonight (even if he is scum) if people are smart and think about it.

VOTE: empking

smargaret wrote:Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.

Surye, what translator are you using?

Vote: Jindori

smargaret wrote:I know there were language PRs in the SWN games, but I don't remember if French was one of them.

That says roughly "Aawww, Surye you're using google translator? But I thought we had another Frenchman here," if I remember rightly from my French classes.

smargaret wrote:First,

I'm having computer trouble and will be limited in the amount of time I have to post until it gets sorted out. I will be able to post every day.

Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it. I'm not sure why he thinks there wouldn't be an sk in this setup; there clearly have been sks in previous games, and there were two kills last night. We should at least consider the possibility.

Third, Amrun is scummy. The push on Ani - there was some shameless sheeping of Parama going on there - and the subsequent insinuation that not crumbing is scummy is itself scummy. Not everyone crumbs and the absence of crumb doesn't mean that you disregard a case. This looks an awful lot like scum (or possibly the sk?) trying to lynch someone who can stop their kills. Add to that the fact that Amrun was absent for all of day 1 - forgetting a game can happen, but when you're gone for a whole day it's suspicious, especially given the speed of the scum wagon.

Vote: Amrun

smargaret wrote:

Parama wrote:ani is likely scum; tragedy push is absolutely retarded

Amrun wrote:
VOTE: animorpherv

He was trying to redirect the lynch to Tragedy yesterday and it was awful.

That looks a lot like sheeping to me, Amrun.

smargaret wrote:Amrun has a decent (and original) point about Ani not voting Empking.

For crying out loud, would people please look at the gender field? Why does everybody suddenly think I'm male? *rant*

Ani, bobsnox has a good point in his capsrage. Why aren't you addressing it?

I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet. Until we can hear from some more people,

Unvote

smargaret wrote:

Baby Spice wrote:
Since Ani wasn't in that game, chances are good he got a role from it, firefighter being such an unusual thing. ie: The reason he knows of ifirefighter is most probably receiving a role from the game it was in.

Can you explain this a little more? Why do you think Ani is more likely to have received a role from a game he wasn't in, since roles are theoretically assigned randomly?

animorpherv1 wrote:

All I'm doing is trying to getmyself not lynched

. I claimed to save myself so we could lynch actual scum, and I'M the bad guy? Nice going there.

If you want to lynch someone because of my claim, that would be Parama. He brought up the situation to such an extreme point that this is all we are talking about, and I claimed.

Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival. Also, note the sudden about face on Parama, from town to lynch target. I don't recall Parama asking you to claim, Ani, you did that all on your own. Now it just looks like he's frantically searching for any target other than himself to get lynched today.

Also, I asked you to address bobsnox's point in my last post, Ani. You've posted since I did without saying anything one way or another about my post. Please fix this.

Surye, why isn't Ani the lynch today? I know you think BS is more likely to be scum, but do you have a town read on Ani, is it the claim, or something else?

Vote: Ani

smargaret wrote:I would be very surprised if all the scum were off the wagon, but that doesn't mean that they were all on it. I'd say we can find 1, maybe two scum on the wagon other than jindori.

TwistedSpoon wrote:scum lynch obv

anyways are votes a scumvote until proven a bus or a bus until proven a scumvote?

sure, I'd look scummy if it was a bus, but it wasn't and you can't prove it unless you say I'm scum which you say because I might have bussed because I might be scum because I might have bussed

etc.

circular logic you have there

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, TS. You're saying things without actually saying anything.

TwistedSpoon wrote:
I'm not

I'm just saying that they weren't on the wagon and they had a reason for that

although I think scum would have been alerted that the day had started because the mod would have posted in the QT that D1 had started

And you don't think it's possible scum could have been v/la or otherwise away from the game for a day? You don't think scum could have deliberately lurked? This is very shortsighted.

populartajo wrote:
lets lynch smargaret plz.

Why are you tunneling me?

populartajo wrote:his questions and cases feel designed and fake; seriously go iso him:

smargaret wrote:Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.
Surye, what translator are you using?

as I said, in this context of jindoriscum, this attack reeks of someone that knew jindori was scum.
and the translator question feels like smargaret asking unnecesary questions to appear helpful, common scum maneuver.

In the case of the translator question, I'm not good enough at French to be able to translate quickly from the sort of error-ridden stuff returned by computerized translators. If you run it back through a translator and you use the same one, you get more accurate results than you do if you use a different one. It's a null question - it's something I would ask regardless of alignment because it makes it easier for me to read Surye's posts. You're reaching.

How exactly does it look like I knew jindori was scum? There's a saying - "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras" - if someone's being scummy, they're more likely to be scum than a jester. I think that was a perfectly reasonable question.

smargaret wrote: Add to that the fact that Amrun was absent for all of day 1 - forgetting a game can happen, but when you're gone for a whole day it's suspicious,

lolno, this is not suspicious; its scum trying to support his case with nulltells.

the sheeping accusation against you is weak since you had your own reasons to suspect ani

1. I'll grant that it's not a strong tell, but it IS a tell - and it wasn't my only point.
2. lolwat? Amrun's reasons were EXACTLY the same as Parama's.

and his ani progression goes from:

smargartet iso 2 wrote:Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it.

smargartet iso 4 wrote:I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet

smargartet iso 5 wrote:Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival.
Vote: Ani

bonus: preoccupied with his own survival is NOT scummy.

Plz lynch this scumbag.

His claim made sense, and then it didn't. I didn't want him at L-1 before everyone had posted because of the way the speed from day 1 is hampering us - I want a longer day today. When he kept acting scummy and people had unvoted, I put my vote back on to keep the pressure up.

WTF do you mean that being preoccupied with your own survival isn't a scumtell? Town doesn't need to worry about staying alive, scum does. It's right up there with looking for scumhunting in terms of usable scumtells.

Also, I am a woman. I've said this before. In fact, if you look at my username, sMARGARET, hey, it has a female name in it. Please stop referring to me as he.

populartajo wrote:scratch that, I confused it with BS

But TS feels very VIish, specially with the lynch me if Im wrong stuff

we need momentum on smargaret, now

VI != confirmed town. Just sayin'.

About my activity level, this is consistent across my games (you can go look for the posts). I got stuck with a computer virus I can't fix, my fiance (who can fix it) is writing his generals exams and needs the one remaining computer to do so, and the other computer won't get fixed until he turns in his papers this weekend. It's not calculated inactivity if there's a legit problem.

Ani, do you mean that the possibility of an SK, when you have a role designed to counter an SK, never crossed your mind? Wow.

Actually, PT, have you said anything about the Ani case yet? Please take a stance on that; I don't like how you're ignoring the other major wagon today and it feels like you're trying to set up a counterwagon on me.

smargaret wrote:PT - you didn't ask about my activity level, but someone (not sure who now) accused me of "calculated inactivity." I was answering that accusation.

There is a difference between defending yourself and being preoccupied with staying alive. Ani was defending himself exclusively - no scumhunting of any kind. That's scummy defense. Now he's just flinging around accusations. Also, while his claim is the same, there are other factors besides the claim itself to make it make sense.

Ani, that post was trying to make PT look bad - I think he's scummy, and you'd better believe he's next on my lynch list after you.

Would someone please hammer and end this day?

tajo wrote:and his ani progression goes from:

smargartet iso 2 wrote:Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it.

smargartet iso 4 wrote:I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet

smargartet iso 5 wrote:Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival.
Vote: Ani

bonus: preoccupied with his own survival is NOT scummy.