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SleepyKrew wrote:But scum don't have two Dayvotes.

^ Are you serious or joking/being sarcastic?

I'm telling him how his claim doesn't make him auto-town.

Captain Corporal wrote:If I dropped a vote early-game, it woudn't have shown me voting for two. It's invisible, I believe. And I didn't put one on because I didn't want anyone to put at L-1.

This is ridiculous...WTH does it matter whether we put an executioner at L-1? At least it could have helped support your claim today vs waiting until tomorrow. It's not like you were contributing to his lynching. You would have just been supporting the selection of someone to conduct a town concensus kill. Did you have a problem with vezok being the executioner?

SleepyKrew wrote:I'm telling him how his claim doesn't make him auto-town.

You said scum don't have two day votes. Do you believe that?

Yeah. Why not?

SleepyKrew wrote:Yeah. Why not?

Because you didn't seem to think so here.

I meant that ALL scum don't have 2 Dayvotes (in correlation to all scum having 2 Nightvotes).

SleepyKrew wrote:I meant that ALL scum don't have 2 Dayvotes (in correlation to all scum having 2 Nightvotes).

You sound full of shit. First you go on and on about how CC is not confirmed town just because he is a doublevoter and how he could still be scum, and you say scum don't have a doublevote during the day. Which I inferred/assumed yesterday.

So now that you have changed your tune and do not think scum have a DV during the day...do you see any reason not to let CC live through the night and prove his claim tomorrow? Or are you now saying that scum (some member of them at least) might have a daytime DV?

That's not what it looked like here.

mallowgeno wrote:#2-Players are voting each night to elect a killer. Voting remains anonymous and the killer remains anonymous.

Members of the mafia's party count for two instead of one.

This says all Mafia have 2 NVs.
CC says he can't be scum because a DV would be redundant.
I say a Mafioso can still have 2 DVs via them being a DV power role.
I say that he is not cleared because regular Mafia don't have 2 DVs.

Bad abbreviations.
NVs = Night Votes
1st DV = Doublevote
2nd DV = Dayvotes
3rd DV = Doublevote
4th DV = Dayvotes

how does SK know what scum does/does not have? Am i missing something?

Because it was in the rules.

oh ok fair enough.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tragedy

Welcome Tragedy!

I suggest you get your catch-up reads in ASAP ... Vezok's trigger finger is getting more and more itchy.

Preview-Edit : the voting stage is over Sleepy.

I like welcoming replacements.

SK...what are you talking about? If someone could steer me the right way if I'm interpreting the rules wrong but here is how I see things:

Mafia can each make two votes for who the night executioner is each night (ie 2 votes PER mafia member at night).
There is nothing in the rules to suggest there is any town or mafia double vote ability during the day,.
CC says he can double vote (DV) during the day AND the night.
SK says "He's [CC] obviously telling the truth about DV. But he [CC] could still be scum." Uh...ok.
SK says "We can confirm him [CC] as a DV. How does that confirm him [CC] as town?"
HF thinks----but if CC can show he has DV ability doesn't that prove his claim and suggest he is town since mafia would surely not have DV during the day AND night.
SK says this isn't a normal game.
HF thinks----ok...so your saying CC wouldn't be confirmed towwn if he can prove his day DV which by PoE means you must think scum could have a DV during the day. Yes?
SK says "But scum don't have two Dayvotes."
HF thinks---WTF? So if scum don't have two DVs then that should mean if CC proves his day DV he is thereby confirmed town. Yes?
SK says "I meant that ALL scum don't have 2 Dayvotes"
HF thinks WTF?
SK says "I say a Mafioso can still have 2 DVs via them being a DV power role."
WTF? You seem to be talking in circles.

Also...what comments were you referring to when you told jason "Because it was in the rules."?
Was it one of the following comments:
But scum don't have two Dayvotes.
I meant that ALL scum don't have 2 Dayvotes
I say a Mafioso can still have 2 DVs via them being a DV power role.
I say that he is not cleared because regular Mafia don't have 2 DVs.
??????????????????

If it is...can you show where whatever comments you were referring to are addressed in the rules?

Ok, I found an alternate internet source but I will still have limited access.

Captain Corporal wrote:2. I DON'T WANT TO BE KILLED BECAUSE I AM TOWN AND A PR! HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE? I AM ENTITLED TO NOT WANTING TO BE KILLED

Yes, but you didn't say “I don't want to be killed”, you said “I don't plan on getting to be killed”.

Captain Corporal wrote:3. Post it again, I can't see it

Look at his posts and respond to everything addressed to you.

Captain Corporal wrote:4. As I said, if town play correctly, there's no harm in me claiming

Using that reasoning, we could all massclaim right now.

Captain Corporal wrote:5. AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING!!!!!! You can say I'm lying if you want, but I'll sure as hell be using my power to try and stop the kill (voting someone else, unless you forgot, my votes hold more power).

I never said you lied, I just said that you didn't breadcrumb.

Captain Corporal wrote:6. PLEASE THINK BEFORE POSTING! Makes it less likely? Do you know the setup? No, thought not. Probability does not come into affect in this situation.

Ok but Vezok doesn't know the setup either and he shouldn't be claiming you as town for it.

Captain Corporal wrote:So you'd willingly kill me N1, if you had the power.

He didn't say that. He said that if Magna thinks you should be killed then he could kill you.

Captain Corporal wrote:What is really concerning me is the lack of discussion on the topic of the night executioner. IT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHO AND WHY, EVEN MORESO THAN THE DAY EXECUTIONER. The dsy executioner can be decided and the kill target decided, so town basically controll the daykill. With the nightkill however, anyone can kill anyone else, and we won't know who did it. Sure, the town may say "MoI it is", but what people forget it tht there are also scum out there with who knows what powers, and a certain doublevoter which will not be voting for MoI. We've had all this discussion on who will be the day executioner, but everyone just seems happy enough the sheep along with everyone else and vote MoI. You're making a big mistake.

Why aren't you going to vote Magna? That is what the town has decided. Would you rather scum get the kill?

Captain Corporal wrote:Roles from last game

The town leader did the same thing there. I don't buy his I have a new paper role

The roles from the last game are completely separate from the ones in this game.

Havingfitz wrote:I want to believe CC's claim as it would be stupid to claim a doublevote ability for day votes that would be easily confirmed. However, the additional power role that can be met under certain circumstances seems a bit sketchy. Also, the town leader in the last game doesn't appear to have multiple PRs and CC's last post was a bit defeatist. If I had to bet i would say CC is what he says he is but the rest of his posts sure put enough doubt on his claim.

It's good that you gave your opinion on his claim, but do you plan on giving your opinion on anything else that happened previously in the game.

Havingfitz wrote:I have an "item" in my possession. I'm allowed to give it to someone if I want each night. If someone gets all the items, something will happen. I don't know what that something is, but I think it will be good.

I would love for everyone to give me theirs, but seeing as I will possibly die tonight, I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.
Maybe all who have these items should be claiming and we should plan someone to pass on these items to, and see what happens

Didn't you just say that you wouldn't claim this? Also, why are you trying to get others to claim? That would make them a big target for the mafia.

SleepyKrew wrote:!!! SCUMSLIP?!?!?!

How is that a scumslip if it is day 1.

SleepyKrew wrote:Joke by vezok? Nope, try again

He wasn't being serious, It was his first post of the game.

SleepyKrew wrote:MoI was going to kill me tonight. Isn't that the same as being L-1 with a looming hammer?

Except you didn't actually claim. You claimed that you had a power role but not what that power role is.

Captain Corporal wrote:I'm not voting for MoI. Any PR is valuable, me especially late-game if we haven't caught scum. I don't want to die. So, my possibilities are:
1. Not vote for MoI and get killed the next day, or still the night.
2. Vote for MoI and die.
Nice. Either way, I'm dead... Unless MoI has changed his mind. MOI WHERE DID YOU GO

I don't remember Magna saying that he would kill you. I do remember him saying or implying that he would kill sleepy which can be seen by the fact that he claimed that he was a power role.

SleepyKrew wrote:MoI was going to kill me tonight.

You and CC can't both claim that Magna is going to kill you tonight.

IceGuy wrote:No. I don't see a problem in not answering questions you've asked just to bait me.

How has he asked a question just to bait you? I see him directly asking you a question and you are refusing to answer it. That is scummy and anti-town.

IceGuy wrote:Ice: Why did you claim although there was still a long period of discussion before you'd actually have the chance to be killed (where the discussion might lead to somebody else being killed), and nobody asked you for your claim yet

Does this also apply to CC?

IceGuy wrote:having, WHY did you say last night?

He was obviously referring to the time of day. What else could he mean?

havingfitz wrote:

SleepyKrew wrote:We can confirm him as a DV. How does that confirm him as town?

me wrote:I've never played in a game where scum had a double vote during the day (or night prior for that matter prior to this game), have you?

There's a first time for everything besides isn't this a bastard game?

Captain Corporal wrote:4. I didn't hold it back, I told you about it, but not the specifics. What was the point in you knowing the full details of it?

You're the person who claimed the full details of it so you should be the one who answers that question.

Captain Corporal wrote:I'm keeping my paper tonight. That, coupled with the fact that I'm a PR and town, means you shouldn't kill me

This is completely anti-town. By keeping your paper, if you are killed it would be lost. If you were town, you should give your paper to you're biggest town read so that just because you are killed doesn't mean that the town can't benefit from it.

Captain Corporal wrote:Just putting this out there, it doesn't seem likely that the papers would be given to scum, because the scum would obviously never give them up, defeating the purpose of them

No, Scum would try to give the papers to themselves or to one of their buddies.

Captain Corporal wrote:And this is why I shouldn't be killed tonight. I have important paper, if I die, who knows what will happen to it. I realize this is a scummy move, but this is another thing that makes me think that scum would not start with the paper - they could use it to get out of dieing very easily, making them pretty OP.

But town could also do it as you are doing it know. Assuming that you are town.

Captain Corporal wrote:I'll appeal all I want. I'm not a PR very often and I don't plan ongetting NKed
Although it's now out ofmy control

So you're putting your interests above that of the town. Either you're a scum/third party or you're anti-town. Either way, I think it would be in the town's best interest to kill you.

I realy think that this paper isn't worth it. For all we know it could do nothing.

Quilford wrote:Zang set out your case on me and your other scum reads please, either I'm not seeing it or I don't consider it coherant enough atm

I've already said my scum reads and what I think is scummy. If you're to lazy to actually read my posts than it's your fault.

Captain Corporal wrote:Also, if I am scum, as you say, and there is a scum roleblocker, things are not looking good for tonight.

Also, if you think I'm scummy due to bad play, take a look at some of my other games. Almost lynched D1 (then I replaced out), in another lynched D1, in another put at L-1. In fact, my first game was my best because everyone attributed my scumminess to newbiness.

1.We have no reason to assume that the scum have a roleblocker.
2.What about games where you were scum?

Implosion wrote:Anyone saying one is more likely than the other (*glares at vezok and zang*) is trying to outguess the mod. Do not try to outguess the mod. Looking at some scum roles in execution one, we really don't know what to expect.

When did I say that?

Implosion wrote:CC's 337 sounds interesting. Actually, I'm getting more of a townread on CC every time he posts at this point... I'd be fine with people who have these paper's just giving them to him. Do you know what happens if you get them? Like, do you have any idea at all?

Do you think his Appeal to fear is pro-town?

Captain Corporal wrote:I know they don't, but how does it make sense to give someone a role with only half the power it was intended to have?

If it was given to scum then it would have the full amount of power that the mod would want it to have. It only seems like it has half the power if compared to a town doublevoter.

havingfitz wrote:Because you didn't seem to think so here.

I don't see what that has to do with him thinking that scum have two votes in the day.

Jason wrote:how does SK know what scum does/does not have? Am i missing something?

The mod said that scum hav a double night vote.

havingfitz wrote:but if CC can show he has DV ability doesn't that prove his claim and suggest he is town since mafia would surely not have DV during the day AND night

But what if on scum is given a day doublevote as their role? Then he could just claim town doublevoter who has two votes in the day and night because although his role only gives him two day votes because he is mafia, he also gets two night votes.

havingfitz wrote:SK says "But scum don't have two Dayvotes."
HF thinks---WTF? So if scum don't have two DVs then that should mean if CC proves his day DV he is thereby confirmed town. Yes?

I think what he meant was that scum as a whole don't have two dayvotes but an individual scum could still have a doublevoter role.

zang if you have time to write quote walls you have time to make a reads list and put a few bullet points in there

zang wrote:When did I say that?

zang wrote:

vezok wrote:But alas CC is town. There was a town leader last game.

So? that doesn't mean that there would be one in this game. If anything, I think it makes it less likely.

zang wrote:
Do you think his Appeal to fear is pro-town?

No. I don't think it's anti-town, either. also yeah, that's probably the largest post by sheer volume i've ever seen on MS. I only looked at the two things addressed to me.

ice wrote:I already dropped my night strategy idea since it started from incorrect assumptions.

Okay then.

ice wrote:I consider things like flimsy, obviously made-up cases, switching reads with no justification, contradictions and unspecified, unprompted claims as "standard" scumtells which don't need to be explained.

Fair enough, I guess... but these generalizations don't really fit what you said in your case at least to an extent, i think. I don't really feel like going through your case and saying exactly why right now. I might later.

ice wrote:This confirms his PR claim, but doesn't confirm his alignment. Since, as you described, such a claim can be easily checked, I doubt he'd fakeclaim that anyway.

True. Still, no harm in testing it.

Also, I'm not sure if I understand havingfitz's 442, but that might be because it's 2 am >.>. It seems like it's just a semantical argument.

Zang wrote:

IceGuy wrote:No. I don't see a problem in not answering questions you've asked just to bait me.

How has he asked a question just to bait you? I see him directly asking you a question and you are refusing to answer it. That is scummy and anti-town.

To which question are you referring to?

IceGuy wrote:Ice: Why did you claim although there was still a long period of discussion before you'd actually have the chance to be killed (where the discussion might lead to somebody else being killed), and nobody asked you for your claim yet

Does this also apply to CC?

In principle yes, but CC made a specific claim which can easily be checked by town. So I consider his claim real, but I'm not convinced of his alignment.

IceGuy wrote:having, WHY did you say last night?

He was obviously referring to the time of day. What else could he mean?

I didn't say that, you got your quotes mixed up.