Catch-22 Mafia [The end?]

[Glork]

Ok lunch over, back to work.

But seriously. Anyone with meta/history of vijay, look at how his wagon sprang up and tell me that there's not some scum's taking advantage here. I fucking dare you.

[Glork]

Ugh quick response to Nu. I explained Slandaar just now. I'm not as confident in vijay, but given the kuribo/Amrun situation, and how sleazy both of them were towards Slan and then seamlessly shifted to vijay, that should be plenty to give them rope, bombs, bullets, etc.

[chesskid3]

What you dont seem tog et is
me amrun and kuribo
ALL
indicated we were going to be voting Slandaar early
in the signup thread

[kuribo]

so, let me get this straight glork;

First, you're all "RAHARERSFSFGAA EVERYONE STOP PICKING ON SLANDAAR THIS IS LEADING NOWHERE. NONE OF YOU ARE SCUMHUNTING"
then, when I scumhunt and look elsewhere, it's
"ARARAFHSGKLSGJSK YOU MOVED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE"

dude, either poking slandaar is useful for the town or it's not, but don't bitch and complain about it, and then bitch and complain when people stop

[Fate]

"You're inches away from death every time you go on a mission. How much older can you be at your age? A half minute before that you were stepping into high school, and an unhooked brassiere was as close as you ever hoped to get to Paradise. Only a fifth of a second before that you were a small kid with a ten-week summer vacation that lasted a hundred thousand years and still ended too soon. Zip! They go rocketing by so fast. How the hell else are you ever going to slow down?""

Vote Count:

Magister Ludi (1): Toogeloo
Parama (0):
Staeg (1): SpyreX
Tierce (1): Near
Elliebereth (0):
Toogeloo (3): Amrun, Kdowns, Tierce
vijay2 (5): Nuwen, Kuribo, chesskid, Amrun, Shumgen
Nuwen (0):
Katsuki (1): Ellie
Kdowns (0):
SpyreX (0):
chesskid (2): Vijay2, Magister Ludi
Amrun (2): Slandaar, Glork
Kuribo (3): Parama, Papa Zito, Katsuki
Slandaar (0):
Glork (0):
Korlash (0):
Shmugen (1): MattP
Papa Zito (0):
Ojanen (0):
MattP (2): Korlash, Staeg
Near (0):

Not Voting: Ojanen

With 22 alive, it takes 0 to lynch. One most have a majority of the votes in play to be lynched.
Deadline: June 7th, 7pm EDT

[Amrun]

Tierce, I only invited you because I'm confident in my townread of you. I didn't really think you'd join.

Oh, yeah, Glork, I'm totally scum. This is what scum do. Yeah. You're probtown, but you're not even bothering to pay attention to anything going on. I think you are just sensitive to shitfests, though, and that will clear up soonish, hopefully.

But kuribo is right. I'm going to read kuribo as town no matter what and vice versa, so no point in pretending otherwise. Chesskid can tag in because he's town.

I think I forgot to say that MattP wagon was quite bad, but that I liked Korlash's contributiion to it anyway and they're both probably town.

And that I do not know what MLudi is smoking. In OvTvS, redFF had a mod-provided fakeclaim. What?

P-edit: yeah, because fast wagons are NEVER on scum, right, Glork? Vijay is hard to read, for me, without reactions, so I am going to make them happen.

Phone posting is hard in spamfests like these, ugh

P-edit 2: Take a moment and realize that your issue is just that kuribo and I are working together. Then read the sign up thread. Then read most any game we have played together. Weather Mafia is the exception because my pr made me suspect him and even then I couldn't hold on to the read. We teamed up for Team Mafia. We stated we'd go after Slandaar together IN THE SIGN UP THREAD. This is just how it is. In recent times we have come to accept we just can't read each other and have stopped fighting it.

Omg let me post

[SpyreX]

Personal bias here, but I like Slandaar's use of self-meta here. I drop self-meta as town al the time, and it always gets poo-pooed, but it's also always accurate. Slandaar also does NOT, in my (admittedly limited) experience with him, self-meta as scum. That's one of the biggest reasons I don't like the push on him.

Vijay... Yes, he's been summarily useless so far, but if you go back and read his posting history, that's pretty standard for him. That's why he's a weak player and te current wagon on him is high in Opportunistic Scumfuck Density.

Its not even that, but its more the tone and the fact its literally the

focus

of his game. Call it what you will but Slandaar could be replaced by a computer program reading:

If post = slaandarscum then
meta();
OMGUS();
else
donothing();

I guess we're approaching it from different avenues again. Vijay IS doing nothing and I dont like the weird miller dance ending with a vote there. More objectively, weak players can be scum and, regardless, most are going to get purged AND they're going to get faster wagons alignment-independent because they cant or wont defend themselves.

I am SUPER not stoked about the Slaandar business and the fixation BUT if I had one bullet for that group you can guarantee it'd go through Slaandar.

[chesskid3]

vijay2 (2): Nuwen, Kuribo, chesskid, Amrun, Shumgen
MattP (1): Korlash, Staeg

YO FATE CMON DUDE

[kuribo]

who the fuck is ojanen

[chesskid3]

If post = slaandarscum then
meta();
OMGUS();
else
donothing();

LOLED

[kuribo]

T
And that I do not know what MLudi is smoking. In OvTvS, redFF had a mod-provided fakeclaim. What?

yeah, i don't get that either. Me / DW / Katsuki / DGB had them in Gay Mafia. we gave the mod our preferred sexual orentation and the role we'd want to claim, and Reck wrote up role PMs for us in the flavor that everyone else had

Katsuki's for Eminem, Paranoid Gun Owner was god damn genius and should have actually been in the game

[Tierce]

Tierce: thoughts on Slandaar and his voters? Thoughts on vijay an his voters?

Processing. Trying to keep levels of whiteknighting to a minimum; I've had enough VIs flip scum on me. At the moment, these wagons are mostly bad. There doesn't seem to be any deep insight to them.

But seriously. Anyone with meta/history of vijay, look at how his wagon sprang up and tell me that there's not some scum's taking advantage here. I fucking dare you.

Hai, resident meta scholar here. Yes, there is scum having Happy Funtimes with this wagon. I'm trying to figure out who it is.

Nuuuu my blankie!

Was more about Korlash's read on MattP being crap (Hi Korlash, I'm Tierce, I read a whole bunch of games I didn't play in, AKA I'm a stalker) than yours. Staeg irks me pretty much any time. I have a townread on Shmu. So yeah--it was about Korlash going after weeeak stuff like it was some magnificent cause for a wagon.

I could have the wool being pulled over my eyes but the whole exchange with me is good? I mean, holistically.

Korlash's with you? Not particularly 'good'. I don't have any kind of deep scumread on him; it seems a bit like someone who isn't used to being listened to getting a truckload of ice cream and not knowing what to do with it, and I was merrily showering him with ice-cold water because his scumread reasoning sucks.

[Nuwen]

Eh, Glork could just be scum here. No more gold star for you.

You can shake off this suspicion by helping me make with the ritual cleansing.

[chesskid3]

yeah, i don't get that either. Me / DW / Katsuki / DGB had them in Gay Mafia. we gave the mod our preferred sexual orentation and the role we'd want to claim, and Reck wrote up role PMs for us in the flavor that everyone else had

redff had a mod provided fakeclaim
but it was not a miller claim
and he tried to bs a miller and fucked it up because of the multiball
and he tried to claim like miller to one scumteam - the other scumteam, so nobody would kill him. And then obv fucked that up.

I know all this because I had access to the scum QT and stuff since lolchesskidsgirl

[kdowns]

Wait, Why the hell is meta being used as a reason to vote someone or clear someone?

[kdowns]

yeah, i don't get that either. Me / DW / Katsuki / DGB had them in Gay Mafia. we gave the mod our preferred sexual orentation and the role we'd want to claim, and Reck wrote up role PMs for us in the flavor that everyone else had

redff had a mod provided fakeclaim
but it was not a miller claim
and he tried to bs a miller and fucked it up because of the multiball
and he tried to claim like miller to one scumteam - the other scumteam, so nobody would kill him. And then obv fucked that up.

I know all this because I had access to the scum QT and stuff since lolchesskidsgirl

Also, Fuck you. I knew you were Chesskidgirl and I caught you as scum and no one believed but yeah... Fuck You.

[MattP]

Naw, I wouldn't say it has any relationship to the wagons. I can't deny I find it odd MOST of his town reads are or have been some of the main focused "wagons", short of you and Glork. But I wouldn't say it outright means anything.

ok cool I'll ignore this then, makes my life easier.

Mainly, I just don't think his list matches up. For instance, his first post has a comment about V2V's vote being 'shitty textbook play' (which I take as a negative comment due to the prior two comments involving 'shit' being obviously negative comments, negative implying suspicion or scum) yet in his next post he says V2V is town for... nothing(?)... I mean what the fuck, he doesn't even score 'low' on the town list?

Shitty textbook play =/= mafia. He is looking for mafia in a dumb way, that doesn't make him mafia

He says shmugen is scum for, what appears to me, being a comment about how Teirce shouldn't be waggoned... Which should match the view 'teirce is town', which Matt obviously has (he said it twice in fact)... Yet he calls Shmugen scum for having a similar, if not the same, view? What the fuck is that?

It was how he said it, and I will elaborate on that

And in his first post he votes NEAR... Places his vote on near, over his other two scum reads (Shmugen and Elli) yet in his next post he placed Near at the TOP (least) of the scum list with Eli and Shmugen being MORE scum... Absolutely no reason given as to how this 180 happened. Absolutely no reason given as to how Shmugen somehow became his new number one...

I do wa I wunt

Actually... I'm looking at his posts now... I do see a sort of correlation between his town reads and the wagons... For every one of his town reads he simply says "blank is town" except Glork (the non-wagon) he actually delves into a reasoning as to why Glork is town... Yet no reasoning (except arguably Chess I suppose) as to why the others are town...

I am a king and when I come in everyone bows to me and my reads are read gloriously, and should one of my loyal subjects blasphemously have a concern I will glad to explain why I'm right.

And he votes his only scum read NOT to have a wagon/suspicion elsewhere...

So? Shmugen is the most scum.

I didn't explain things that were obvious or gut.

So all of your scum reads are gut??

So you can't read obvious reads??

[kuribo]

yeah, i don't get that either. Me / DW / Katsuki / DGB had them in Gay Mafia. we gave the mod our preferred sexual orentation and the role we'd want to claim, and Reck wrote up role PMs for us in the flavor that everyone else had

redff had a mod provided fakeclaim
but it was not a miller claim
and he tried to bs a miller and fucked it up because of the multiball
and he tried to claim like miller to one scumteam - the other scumteam, so nobody would kill him. And then obv fucked that up.

I know all this because I had access to the scum QT and stuff since lolchesskidsgirl

better than in Buffy the Vampire Slayer where the cop got a guilty on GreyICE and then he claimed "OH WAIT I FORGOT TO MENTION I'M A MILLER" and the town believed it and he survived to endgame and won

p-edit: pretty sure everyone on the site knew he was chesskidsgirl

[MattP]

Also, if any of my townreads flip scum I will admit I was wrong about them. See? I'm a level-headed person.

[SpyreX]

Korlash's with you? Not particularly 'good'. I don't have any kind of deep scumread on him; it seems a bit like someone who isn't used to being listened to getting a truckload of ice cream and not knowing what to do with it, and I was merrily showering him with ice-cold water because his scumread reasoning sucks.

If you are scum trying to generate a wagon, why when someone asks for more information would you do an analysis and then come to the conclusion it wasn't as strong as you'd hoped?

Thats what I mean by holistically. He could be faking actually going back over his own words sure but I'm not buyin it.

I mean if we want to get all :colbert: you FoSing ME in that for asking shows less depth than him re-reviewing it.

[chesskid3]

yeah, i don't get that either. Me / DW / Katsuki / DGB had them in Gay Mafia. we gave the mod our preferred sexual orentation and the role we'd want to claim, and Reck wrote up role PMs for us in the flavor that everyone else had

redff had a mod provided fakeclaim
but it was not a miller claim
and he tried to bs a miller and fucked it up because of the multiball
and he tried to claim like miller to one scumteam - the other scumteam, so nobody would kill him. And then obv fucked that up.

I know all this because I had access to the scum QT and stuff since lolchesskidsgirl

Also, Fuck you. I knew you were Chesskidgirl and I caught you as scum and no one believed but yeah... Fuck You.

lol I wasn't chesskidsgirl. But she gave me a qt link.

[chesskid3]

Like I will do a LOT as scum for a townread
including pretending to not undertsand the setup/fake stupidity

but not to that fucking level
HRNG WHATS A FOS
WATS OMGUS
WATS VOTE MEAN LOL

[Amrun]

No, redFF had a real factional miller fakeclaim.

Liking SpyreX as town.

[chesskid3]

Oh, ok. Well he never posted it in the qt so I didin't know that lol

[chesskid3]

Yeah Elli is the only top tier player who is looking like scum for now