Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[VisceraEyes]

No yeah, okay...I remember this guy.

I'm fully down with a pony lynch. Pony, or TAM. Those are my targets today, and I'm willing to lynch into either of them.

[VisceraEyes]

Rd isn't at L-1 right? I can vote?

I'ma check

[VisceraEyes]

Wait the wagons are tied right? Let's talk about this, who dies the pony or TAM?

[The Acting Method]

McStab is short and sweet:
Two Posts, I'm leaning town but I want to see more from him... A LOT MORE.

Actually, I like activity more than volume, and frankly, I'm disappointed in myself for allowing myself to fall silent. And when I fall silent, I make up for it with Walls. (Actually generally anytime I say "I'm going to ISO", you should expect walls with some analysis somewhere.)

So yeah, 3 town, 1 null. Next Up Red Panda.

Okay, Viscera and Rainbow both seem familiar to me... Will look into past games...

Viscera, if you have to decide, I'd suggest Rainbow. He's definitely more likely to be scum.

[VisceraEyes]

Screw it
UNVOTE: The Acting Method
VOTE: Rainbowdash

Venmar was the "Hey why'd you stop RVS" guy, and his posts were awful.

[Rainbowdash]

I really can't decide... Have we played together Dash? Something tells me we have... Maybe in the one of the last opens I played?

Yeah, it was that C9++ where I accidently hammer you after everypony ignored my (correct) reads and then got killed by scum followed by Hikari being a derp and throwing away a forced win and then forced draw by lying during massclaim.

Also the question im really looking to have answered more than the VT claim is what do you think of just somepony declaring themselves town in a situation.

Vote Arugula

Cute him trying to set stuff up. Goes from andrew-scum, to suddenly me and TAM scum when we get flack? Especially calling me scum here feels like he is just trying to setup so he can jump on my wagon late and try to call it justified. He ignored everything I say and basically glosses over Venmar giving some somewhat conflicted reads regarding him in the catchup.

This doesnt even go into bork who just coasted on a potato vote for the first half of the game before throwing down an abast vote for replacing out essentially when almost the entire game was replacing out around that time for various reasons.

MS is town
VE is town
Potato is probably town
I actually think TAM is probably town
Maybe DMS, not sure but maybe town

I think you just kill everypony else less the masons and we win flat out.

@VE - Neither of us die. Im town, I think TAM actually is town too in this situation.

[VisceraEyes]

What makes TAM town in this situation pony?

[Soben]

There's a few small things from TAM that make me second guess or at least question if he's scum whereas Rainbow and Venmar both leave me very confident that the slot is scum; Venmars defensiveness rather than scumhunting and Rainbows change of reads in an attempt to de-credit us both come across bad.

[VisceraEyes]

Yeah, no...pony dies. imo imo

[Rainbowdash]

What makes TAM town in this situation pony?

Why isnt he is the better question.

He actually is trying to figure out why everypony is thinking the way they are, and look at the way he interacts with DMS. I see NO way thats scum who is just trying to be patient and try and coach somepony through it, even if its a scum-scum pairing between the two thats sorta rediculous to start.

He just reads as town, most of his stances do nothing to convient him in any way and really just make his life harder. I get a lot of the same feeling that I have in this game where he isnt concerned about self-survival and instead is just trying to get scum lynched.

@Soben - So im scum for sorta OMGUS? Yeah its ultra-convienent that you decide to actually start voting my slot the moment I replace in. I know that feeling as scum where the lynchbait slot suddenly is somepony who can do major damage and you need to try and act fast or you are going to be in trouble. I almost have actually got lynched doing that once where I realized the mislynch needed to happen right then and now and overextended myself a bit getting it.

I have no clue what your case on Venmar is since you already agreed that the slip really isnt a strong if existant point, and your entire point against me is that I changed my read on you which somehow benifits me as scum how exactly to get into it with a generally viewed town attacker? All I would have to do as scum is just basically show that the Venmar case is weak and just nudge the wagon someplace else where everypony is interested, trying to champion down my wagon just makes everypony look at me instead which would end badly.

[Soben]

@Soben - So im scum for sorta OMGUS? Yeah its ultra-convienent that you decide to actually start voting my slot the moment I replace in. I know that feeling as scum where the lynchbait slot suddenly is somepony who can do major damage and you need to try and act fast or you are going to be in trouble. I almost have actually got lynched doing that once where I realized the mislynch needed to happen right then and now and overextended myself a bit getting it.

I have no clue what your case on Venmar is since you already agreed that the slip really isnt a strong if existant point, and your entire point against me is that I changed my read on you which somehow benifits me as scum how exactly to get into it with a generally viewed town attacker? All I would have to do as scum is just basically show that the Venmar case is weak and just nudge the wagon someplace else where everypony is interested, trying to champion down my wagon just makes everypony look at me instead which would end badly.

See this pretty much confirms that you haven't read the thread at all. If you had you'd have noticed that my vote was actually on your slot before you replaced in and that it just moved to Andrew because of his shitty reasoning for Shotgun town, you'd also have noticed me saying that I wish you'd replaced

any

other slot when replacing in. But no, you're attempting to ignore that. You're also ignoring my entire case on Venmar which I've repeated probably 5-6 possibly way more times this whole game and part of it is in the post that you're addressing now though you'e ignoring that too. The case on Venmar was that his questioning and RVS discussion reads as an attempt to seem contributory while doing nothing alongside with him doing no scumhunting but jumping in to instantly defend himself.

[VisceraEyes]

In 5 posts, the pony has appealed to fear and authority, has played this little game about the "VT claim question he wants answered, but not really it's this other question, and it's SOOOO IMPORTANT" yeeeah no.

PEdit:
"Trying to get a scum lynched" you say? Which scum is that? He's been in the game longer than I have, and I don't know who he thinks is scum. He's going over everyone's ISO now, but why? He doesn't have an opinion after reading everyone in context AS IT WAS HAPPENING AS HE'S BEEN PLAYING? I did a full readthrough at work, in less than an hour, and I have opinions on everyone in town. Some stronger than others, but I could rattle them off. He's faking activity and contribution, and he's scum. And if you're as good as you seem to think you are, this would be at the very least ringing alarm bells for you.

[The Acting Method]

Depends on the situation Rainbow. I don't think it should be your first post in a game... Unless you are replacing in and your slot is at L-1. I don't like early claims and I don't like massclaims, I don't think it helps town and I don't think it hinders scum. If anything it basically causes about half of the game (in this scenario) to lie. And if they are caught lying, that means they are lynchable which means you stand a chance to lose one of three conf.towns. (the masons.) Who technically are lying by saying they are vanilla.

@Viscera: I can only really have an initial opinion on those at the very beginning of the game, and Potack/Shotgun... Because half of this thread has been about them.


I'm doing the ISO's to catch up what I missed and narrow things town. I do this to VERIFY I'm seeing things straight.

Oh and here's my latest two:
RedPanda:
I don't like his early posts. And I'm not a fan of his playstyle. He does make some good things, but most of it I feel is null. I'm giving him a null read, though taking into account my dislike for his playstyle and attitude, I'll lean him town. Null Leaning town.

Potack-ruv:
Okay, seems pretty cheerful, nothing to extraordinary. Seems pretty townie with attitude and behavior. Overall, I think you are town, I disagree on your Techno read. But you seem town. And Om... Have I played in the same game with you before where I've seen you argue... It may have gotten lost in the crash but I seem to recall replacing into a slot as an unexpected result of an arguement you were apart of in a newb... But yeah. Town.

[Soben]

I mean the sheer fact that you're attempting to justify my vote and push on you as "Scum pushing for me because they think I'm dangerous!" rather than actually reading through my ISO and noticing that I've thought your slot was scum all game alongside with looking at the reasoning behind it seals it.

[VisceraEyes]

Soben if you're scum I'm going to cry

So first Venmar defends TAM for no reason, now pony defends TAM with ever-so-slightly more reason. Coincidence?

[Soben]

Soben if you're scum I'm going to cry

You'd know if I was scum; my scum and town play are almost polar opposites.

[Rainbowdash]

I mean the sheer fact that you're attempting to justify my vote and push on you as "Scum pushing for me because they think I'm dangerous!" rather than actually reading through my ISO and noticing that I've thought your slot was scum all game alongside with looking at the reasoning behind it seals it.

Your reasoning is something I cant answer because im not Venmar and its poor reasoning to start. If you want me to try and make a fake defense by trying to guess why he said what he did, I will to humor you and make one but its a worthless practice.

Really, im just pissed off that im going to get lynched for the first time because I replace derp town who reacted badly to questions early. Im more pissed that you WAIT until I replace in to actually lynch the slot, thats just a jackpony move.

@mod

- Can I replace back in after I get lynched?

Yes thats a VT claim.

You lynch me you kill Arugula fast tomorrow because he is prob scum, after that... RP/Soben/andrew and if its still not over chirmi/CX wraps up the win im almost sure. I think there is a good chance you could have them all after the first four and with mason claims just dont kill my town reads and you will win.

[Soben]

Your reasoning is something I cant answer because im not Venmar and its poor reasoning to start. If you want me to try and make a fake defense by trying to guess why he said what he did, I will to humor you and make one but its a worthless practice. Really, im just pissed off that im going to get lynched for the first time because I replace derp town who reacted badly to questions early. Im more pissed that you WAIT until I replace in to actually lynch the slot, thats just a jackpony move.

1) It's not the first time you've been lynched - You were lynched in Scotts Walrus Mafia
2) I'd have preferred to have lynched your slot previously before a replacement was needed but didn't have the support then - the game was dead.
3) You know that site-wide policy is that a player cannot re-replace into a game they're dead in.
4) I'm pretty sure that RP is town and the mason-claim makes Andrew town too. Also think Code is obvtown.

[VisceraEyes]

@Soben
Well, to be fair Scumhunter had me fooled in the game I was in with him, and I think I've only played with you as town?

PEdit:
@Rainbowdash
1) No one is asking you to defend Venmar's actions.
2) Unless I'm mistaken, there are 9 days until lynch...and your slot has been up for replacement for...what 2 or 3 of them? Are you suggesting that if they should have ended the day with almost 2 weeks left?
3) What's your Soben read based off of? Or RP for that matter?

[Soben]

@Soben Well, to be fair Scumhunter had me fooled in the game I was in with him, and I think I've only played with you as town?

Probably because I've only been scum once in the last year, I think? But the biggest difference between my town/scum play is interest, I absolutely love being town and despise being scum; it's one of the reasons I'm town so often, I replace into games where I have a town-read on the slot being replaced most of the time, it's actually quite rare that I flat out /In for a game from start-to-end.

[Rainbowdash]

1) It's not the first time you've been lynched - You were lynched in Scotts Walrus Mafia
2) I'd have preferred to have lynched your slot previously before a replacement was needed but didn't have the support then - the game was dead.
3) You know that site-wide policy is that a player cannot re-replace into a game they're dead in.
4) I'm pretty sure that RP is town and the mason-claim makes Andrew town too. Also think Code is obvtown.

1) No I wasnt. Never been lynched.
4) When I flip town you look at RP again?

@VE - My problem is that the case being pushed has to deal with almost entirely things that no pony voted for until I got here, and thats why im upset. I feel like im wasting my time here because no pony is going to listen to me about anything and probably im going to get ignored when I die too.

Also RP is scum in part for his vote on your slot, but really he isnt doing ANYTHING for the most part. Also the VT claim thing is horrible because its most likely to ilicit a bad reaction out of a mason more than scum who would just log it away. Like Soben - You are going to look at RP again after I flip right?

[VisceraEyes]

Game-rigger. No, I feel that - mostly because I don't like the queue though, not because I'm sniping town slots

Srs though, is there any way that slot is town? I went through Venmar AND Rd's ISOs and I honestly can't imagine those posts in that context coming from a town-aligned player. Help me out here, because the pony is fighting it and I'm prone to buyer's remorse, so I want to be sure.

[VisceraEyes]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

[The Acting Method]

Chrimi:
Pretty much seems like he's trying too hard... Could be scum in my opinion.

Andrew:
I have a town read, but he seems like he's trying to hide something and I have no idea what he is trying to do.

Code X:
Seeming pretty good. Couple of things, every thing you comment on me is in response to someone I believe. Seems town. But yeah, Tech is not scum.

Bork/Argula:
Bork feels off. Just something strange... Big Fat Null with Argula... Not enough information.

Shotgun:
Don't like Post 170/163... BAD BAD BAD. All in all I dislike his playstyle. Don't like his almost replace out... Reminded me too much of what I referred to earlier with Om... I think Shotgun is scum. I think he's riding on Andrew's town read of him and is pretending to be a mason.
VOTE: Shotgun Potack I'm agreeing with here and what I just said.

[Rainbowdash]

Srs though, is there any way that slot is town? I went through Venmar AND Rd's ISOs and I honestly can't imagine those posts in that context coming from a town-aligned player. Help me out here, because the pony is fighting it and I'm prone to buyer's remorse, so I want to be sure.

Im town because my role is VT.

Really though, how does it at ALL help me to enter a game replacing somepony who replaced out in a shitty sitaution and then immediately turn around and start attacking everypony who is regarded as town? Easiest play in the world as scum is to just pick up one of the wagons that has some backing to it, and either ride it to a mislynch or bus, claim mason if needed even with a random townie to get good reactions for who could be a real mason.

How does ANYTHING I have done help me as scum? It just gets me killed faster.

Also thats a yes you are going to look at RP again after I flip? I just dont want this to be another one of those situations where I die and then my scum read gets away because everypony doesnt look back at stuff.