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Note for the rest of you later, pay attention to how PereV and Iec have essentially zero interaction even though this PV wagon has been the talk of the town the past few pages. Notice how PV tries to clear Iec early on *jedimindtricks* modding meta.

Hey, Iec, what do you think of PV since you've said essentially nothing on his wagon whatsoever?

pedit -- remember: you said it, not me. soooooo

But if you insist...

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:

↑ chkflip wrote:Again, I haven't read, but if the "case" on Emp is purely meta based on wagon jumping I'll have to inform you that he does that as town and scum.

this is what i was saying originally, you ignored it to continue calling him scum
why?

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:These votes feel more like opportunism rather than actually representing Empking's reads. I guess it's gut.

^This

↑ chkflip wrote:In a game with flavor, it makes sense that even the

VT's

scum were given flavor to work with.

Fixed that for you; the argument that PV is somehow town based off flavor is complete nonsense. You know what scum are going to have, a fake claim good enough to protect them or flavor that seems like it could be town. Game design 101 right there.

Popping in to say a bunch of shit came up and I've been really busy.

Yeah my vote on PereV came from being told by DDD he was scummy, so rather than read the whole game while busy, I read his ISO and found it scummy so i voted. Like DDD and Balthar, his claim doesn't make him any better. People are saying his reactions while claiming were town, which I don't get. Any halfway competent player can answer questions calmly, especially simple ones like those were. And this flavor argument is retarded, because who the hell wouldn't give scum good flavor in their safe claims? Not having flavor would make it way too obvious.

Jason, did you say something about also being a Tauros Demon?

I'm looking back and still not seeing any answers to 332. Did I miss something?

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:PV is scum for his strawman of the wagon's reasoning (especially of mine, since mine is not in the vote post, it's here), and that VT claim is unconvincing IMO.

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:Deflecting attention on RestFermata to SaintKerrigan, reasonless vote, adding another unexplained townread to your town pile

I don't think Rest is scum- just look at the nature of his posts.

SaintKerrigan was a better vote, new guy might still be.

You upset about me adding tiger to that list? Why's that?

And all this came after your vote, so cart before the horse why?

↑ PeregrineV wrote:You upset about me adding tiger to that list? Why's that?

And all this came after your vote, so cart before the horse why?

Because it was unexplained and came out of nowhere. Duh.

As to the second question, I had the reasoning, I just didn't explain it until asked to elaborate.

↑ chkflip wrote:Again, I haven't read, but if the "case" on Emp is purely meta based on wagon jumping I'll have to inform you that he does that as town and scum.

I agree with this. Just don't let him live to lylo, since the vote hopping doesn't stop.

↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Wait, so the PV wagon has collapsed because of a VT claim? At least I got a Jason town-read out of the entire thing but that claim did absolutely nothing to persuade me.

Since you have given no reason to vote me, this does not surprise me.

Why did you get a Jason town-read out of it?

↑ VP Baltar wrote:oh now I remember why I stopped playing mafia. No one on here is good at it anymore. 'cept DDD of course.

Listen up young uns, scum get fake claims, that's a fact. I don't understand this argument of "PV's reaction" makes him town. I do call it stubbornly hanging on RF. How did the way he claim make him more town for you? All he did was read a claim and give flavor to go along with that claim. Nothing more, nothing less. Tell me where i'm wrong.

You keep forgetting that you haven't included an actual reason at any point in time. I've asked, you've tunneled, I've claimed, you've tunneled.
You haven't even bothered to try to give a reason, you really just keep repeating yourself.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:Hey, Iec, what do you think of PV since you've said essentially nothing on his wagon whatsoever?

Based purely on his play, I don't have strong feelings about him one way or the other.

Based on how comfy and quick his wagon was plus the lack of a rational basis for finding him scummy IMO, I'm leaning town overall. I think TheOneWhoKnocks is a relatively likely scum given PereTown.

It is lame that Sotty would make Taurus Demon a slot when there are surely 12 more interesting options, but I figure it's either a real realclaim or a real fakeclaim, so I guess that's just how the cookie crumbles.

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:You upset about me adding tiger to that list? Why's that?

And all this came after your vote, so cart before the horse why?

Because it was unexplained and came out of nowhere. Duh.

That happens sometimes.

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:As to the second question, I had the reasoning, I just didn't explain it until asked to elaborate.

Yeah, well you should vote VP Baltar instead. And you don't really need a reason.

Re: VPBaltar's VT-claim tirade -- It's true that we should lynch VT claims from a theory perspective (for the same reason that everyone shouldn't massclaim at the start of D1), though I've never actually made that argument in my life except as scum, SOOOO.

↑ Iecerint wrote:It's true that we should lynch VT claims from a theory perspective (for the same reason that everyone shouldn't massclaim at the start of D1), though I've never actually made that argument in my life except as scum, SOOOO.

+1

↑ TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:

Jason, did you say something about also being a Tauros Demon?

Nope, stop fishing... I was talking about PereV

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:hmmm interesting, mine is very different yet we have the same role.

Oh yeah, ya did say that.
I bring this up because I think it's weird that there would be two Tauros Demons in the same game. While there are multiple in Dark Souls, one of them is a major boss and the others are just powerful enemies later on. My role is also a boss, so I'm going along the line of thought that bosses = town, not just enemies.

Oh wait I'm just an idiot, carry on.

I was referring to the fact we both had VT role PMs yet the wording of ability is very different from mine. Given there is no standard role PM for VT posted in the OP.... I find it weird the role PMs would be different aside from character.

Zach (back up mod) made a mistake as a mod once were I was caught out on the wording of the VT role PM.... Since I was scum, I claimed VT but VT was a different name.... I got caught easily by Sotty herself.

Sadly, this game is offsite, and more than likely deleted... I do doubt Sotty would make the mistake of allowing VTs to have different wording than other VTs.

Guys plz stop claiming VT.

~ This has been a Public Service Announcement

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ VP Baltar wrote:oh now I remember why I stopped playing mafia. No one on here is good at it anymore. 'cept DDD of course.

Listen up young uns, scum get fake claims, that's a fact. I don't understand this argument of "PV's reaction" makes him town. I do call it stubbornly hanging on RF. How did the way he claim make him more town for you? All he did was read a claim and give flavor to go along with that claim. Nothing more, nothing less. Tell me where i'm wrong.

You keep forgetting that you haven't included an actual reason at any point in time. I've asked, you've tunneled, I've claimed, you've tunneled.
You haven't even bothered to try to give a reason, you really just keep repeating yourself.

Vote: VP Baltar

My reasons for voting you couldn't be more obvious that's why. As I said before, look at your iso...it's laughable.

You've done no scumhunting whatsoever today. You made some weak ass town calls early in the game with essentially no reasoning. You had a serious vote on Rest with no reasoning, then you lurked a bunch and when asked about that vote you said "IDK, something about bad logic." I'd think if it was legit you could actually remember it.

Then when your wagon actually got serious because of me and a few others forcing the issue, you come out of active lurking mode to go, "Hey boo hoo, no one is making an actual case on me therefore I can't be scum!"

You're so scum it hurts. Now you're OMGUSing me because I'm not letting you off the hook easy. I'd like to hear your actual reasoning for voting me that isn't, "you won't stop voting me and telling people to lynch me."

PS - Lynch PV nao. Lynch Iec tomorrow. That's all.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ Iecerint wrote:It's true that we should lynch VT claims from a theory perspective (for the same reason that everyone shouldn't massclaim at the start of D1), though I've never actually made that argument in my life except as scum, SOOOO.

+1

lol

↑ Iecerint wrote:Re: VPBaltar's VT-claim

tirade

Note the rhetorical attempt to paint me as crazy and belligerent. Typical scum tactics to disarm an attacker. Play the victim of crazy ol' VP.

Your tirade didn't have anything to do with me.

You have also cut off the quote to mask that I say your tirade theory background is legit (even if I typically only voice it as scum). So much for wily discrediting!

Iecerint wrote:Re: VPBaltar's VT-claim tirade

-- It's true that we should lynch VT claims from a theory perspective (for the same reason that everyone shouldn't massclaim at the start of D1), though I've never actually made that argument in my life except as scum, SOOOO.