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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:10 am
by Foolster41
I feel I havn't been inconsistent at all. I think I made myself very clear in what you quoted.

His helping lynch scum is why I'm hesit4ent to cast my vote on him, though I suspect him
slightly
more because you were EotD and the lack of corrections makes me think that the mafia edited the corrections. Though maybe you're right, maybe I should be suspefcting you slightly more. Bloojay was quite lurky (5 posts total), which makes me nervous, though I admit that's why he was replaced too.

I too would like to hear what Thok has to say.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:43 pm
by Foolster41
I notice you didn't comment on my draw idea. I admit, maybe it's not such a hot idea. I just don't want to loose I gues, and I have no idea which of you two are the remaining sucm. You both have good reasons why you shouldn't be scum. Back to re-reading I guess.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:34 am
by Thok
I'm not convinced that mafia has been editting the corrections; the absence of corrections could just mean that the mafia stopped editting articles altogether. Maybe scum decided that altering the paper wasn't that helpful after seeing the original corrections article?

I don't find the draw idea particularly interesting; we ought to be able to deduce whom the correct scum is from reading the thread.

I still am favoring a Ginn Fizz lynch, as bloojay's absence would explain the missing kill.

However, another issue I'm currently considering is Nightfall and bertrand's weak role claims (FalloutGirl seems to have just claimed her role in addition) and if I can use that to deduce the last scum.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:49 am
by Yggdrasil
Foolster41 wrote:Of course, I ment to say 3 scum down.
and MOD: Can we offer a draw?
If you really want to, you can choose no lynch and hope that the remaining killer decides to follow suit with a no kill. If that happens, I will call it a draw.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:47 am
by Foolster41
I agree that the draw thing was a bad idea. Nevermind about that. We'd have to be way to trusting of the mafia to not kill.

Well, I know I'm not the last scum, so I'd obviously favor lynching Gin Fizz rather than me, and the missing lynch thing does make some sense. Thought I'd like to be at least 70% sure that who we lynch is scum. right now I'm at about 60% Fizz, 40% Thok.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:45 pm
by Gin Fizz
Thok wrote:I'm not convinced that mafia has been editting the corrections; the absence of corrections could just mean that the mafia stopped editting articles altogether. Maybe scum decided that altering the paper wasn't that helpful after seeing the original corrections article?
Well, if that's true, Thok, then the choice of whom to lynch is easy. As the only remaining player who hasn't been mentioned in the EotD article, that would make it certain that you are the remaining scum.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:13 pm
by Thok
:roll: It's quite possible in my mind that the mafia stopped editting the paper until
last night
when the EoD article was editted.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:11 pm
by Gin Fizz
Can someone please explain to me what sense they think it makes for the mafia, who can edit the paper at will (or not) to have the Chief Editor as one of their number, whose only ability is, a mere one time during the game, to PREVENT the mafia from editing the paper?

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:28 pm
by Foolster41
Ah. looking back I realize I suspected lich over FOG, so I guess I wasn't the first calling bull on her. I have terrible memory.

At this point, we really should know who the last scum is. I'm still looking though. Trouble is, Bloojay's lack of posts makes Fizz hard to get a read on, which is frustrating.

Looking at post counts and averaging day/night phases, Thok hasn't been posting much either, but it's better than Fizz/bloojay.
Nightfall: 35 - 4 Days (Avg. 8.75)
Foolster: 97 - 6 Days (Avg. 8)
CA: 48 / 11 - 5 Days +1 Night (Avg. 4.36)
Thok: 41 - 6 Days (3.41)
BethelMark: 14 - 3 Days + 1 Night (2.8)
bloojay/Gin 18 - 6 Days (Avg. 1.5)
What ths means? Not a whole lot I guess. I was bored and thought this would help. And since I did all this work I thougth I should post it.

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:29 pm
by Foolster41
Argh! Darn sunglases Emotes. Foolster - 8 Avg. Bethelmark 2.8 Avg, Sorry.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:59 am
by Gin Fizz
Gin Fizz wrote:Can someone please explain to me what sense they think it makes for the mafia, who can edit the paper at will (or not) to have the Chief Editor as one of their number, whose only ability is, a mere one time during the game, to PREVENT the mafia from editing the paper?
Bump because I'm not going anywhere until someone answers this question for me.

My role, if aligned with the mafia, offers no additional benefit to them. It is entirely redundant. If you believe that I am scum, then you must also believe either that (a) the game's design is silly or (b) the power to prevent the mafia from editing is completely made up.

I'm not really willing to entertain (a) as a possibility.

As for (b), if the ability is invented, to what use did the mafia put it? What advantage did they gain by claiming to use the ability on the Day 2 paper? Even if falsified--a substantial risk, given that any later conflict with the Day 2 paper would have led to an immediate lynch--the paper contains nothing, as far as I can see, that would have helped the mafia's cause.

If the mafia were to invent an ability that they could easily fake at any time, my common sense tells me they would use it for some direct benefit, not merely as deodorant. The difficulty I'm having convincing the remaining townie to wake up is a pretty good illustration of how weak a strategy that would be.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:21 am
by Foolster41
Hmm. That is a very good point Fizz. (Sorry I somehow missed the question the first time)

I could defenitly see an interveiwer as being a scum role. Plus, the idea of a "evil" version of CA has been mentioned too I beleive and is possible. At this point I'm just about ready to vote Thok. But I'd like to hear one last post from him. If he doesn't convince me otherwise, then I'll vote him.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:42 pm
by Thok
The answer, is that if Gin Fizz is scum, the whole point of the chief editor claim was to have some sort of claim that doesn't get them lynched immediately! That's a clear and direct benefit! Given that we know scum were having trouble coming up with claims, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they would try some to get a role claim that doesn't get them lynched immediately.

The evil twin theory is ridiculous. I've demonstrated that I've known about this theory of CA's since night two-if I was scum then I've had multiple chances to kill off CA before he revealed this theory. Why would I kill stark instead of CA, for example?

And if I'm the last scum, you have to explain FalloutGirl's actions on day 2; they make no sense if both of us are scum.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:54 pm
by Foolster41
Thok Said:
The answer, is that if Gin Fizz is scum, the whole point of the chief editor claim was to have some sort of claim that doesn't get them lynched immediately! That's a clear and direct benefit! Given that we know scum were having trouble coming up with claims, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they would try some to get a role claim that doesn't get them lynched immediately.

That was something that was in the back of my mind after I posted last.
Pah. Ok. I'm not sure at all. I admit I'm bouncing back and forth, but simply because there's no overwelming evidence of scumyness either way.

Thok does bring up a gopod point, and does shift my attention more to Fizz. You know what? This day has gone on way to long for day 6. I kind of just want this game to be over now. I said I would like to be at least 70% sure, I think I'm about 68% sure that fizz is our final scum. Close enough.
vote: fizz


Thok: We are agreed that I am defenitly not the final scum, right? I think I have given a resonable case why I am not.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:57 pm
by Gin Fizz
Foolster41 wrote:
vote: fizz
Well, this'll be interesting. If you're town, Foolster, then you just earned your username.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:59 pm
by Thok
vote Gin Fizz
:twisted:

As I said, FalloutGirl's made no sense if both of us are scum.

Figure out what article I editted day 3.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:02 pm
by Gin Fizz
Thok wrote:
vote Gin Fizz
:twisted:

As I said, FalloutGirl's made no sense if both of us are scum.

Figure out what article I editted day 3.
Good game, Thok. I'll admit I never considered the possibility of FOG being town. She smelled so scummy.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:05 pm
by Foolster41
good game. Bah

Gin: Yep. I was telling the truth. You have to admit, this was a hard choice. Thok was flying under the radar pretty well. And I couldn't tell if your going after me was a scum tactic or not. All the editing thing just gave me a headache to think about.

FOG was clean? Man, I agree she seemed to scummy. Well played Thok.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:07 pm
by Foolster41
What was all that about the evil twin thing? So it turns out you ARE the evil twin, after tiy acted so incredulous(Sp?) to the idea?

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:15 pm
by Gin Fizz
Foolster41 wrote: Gin: Yep. I was telling the truth.
It's hard to get a read on you because you're always flipping back and forth. Whatever you say you're thinking, you're likely to say the opposite in the next post. It makes you hard to pin down as scum, but it also makes it hard to believe what you're writing.

Thok played the last two days very tight, and he never really even entertained my arguments that you were scum. He was feeling increasingly scummy to me as the day went on, but you're hardly going to trust that impression coming from someone in my position.

For what it's worth, the Day 3 EotD article really did seem like a mismatch to me--the only thing I thought was solid in the whole game. Even if the decision had been left in my hands, we'd likely have wound up here.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:21 pm
by Thok
Oh, CA had the set up read correctly, but he didn't have any info about my role specifically as far as I know. That's why I killed him yesterday; he was by far the most cleared person in the game and he was also suspicious of me.

All of the PM's I've posted were uneditted; CA was suspicious of me night 2. FalloutGirl just cleverly managed to seem more suspicious. I still can't believe town lynched N_lich day 1, especially with every single scum arguing against that lynch.

I was trying to avoid mentioning the whole FalloutGirl thing; after all, while her actions did seem scummy, they could just as easily be explained by poor play. And it seemed to me that Gin Fizz was close to figuring everything out; we did, in fact, erase the correction articles every day after editting FalloutGirl's article as he deduced.

There was a small period of time where we could have quicklynched bloojay day 3 that we couldn't get organinized; bertrand voted, but I didn't want to be the third vote in case you unvoted quickly and Nightfall didn't vote either.

Scum really should have discussed safe claims more (I blame myself); from what I can tell Dr. Grim and Sonny Raincloud were safe claims.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:27 pm
by Yggdrasil
Final Vote Count

2 - Gin Fizz (Foolster41, Thok)

Not voting (1): Gin Fizz

After a long debate between the three remaining staff members, two come to a decision. Foolster41 and Thok grab Gin Fizz, string a noose around his head, and lynch him.

"Well, I'm finally glad that whole mess is over with," said Foolster.

"So am I," said Thok as he drew his gun. "The Daily Morning Times will finally get its rightful place as the #1 newspaper in San Angeles."

...

The next day, a new paper arrives at everyone's doorstep. To people's dismay, the price is more than double that of the Morning Daily Times.
Daily Morning Times - Your Source for Morning News Every Day

Edition 1, Day 7


Front Page:

Morning Daily Times Goes Bankrupt

By Yggdrasil

After a long 10 year reign as San Angeles's top selling newspaper, the once great Morning Daily Times has filed for bankruptcy as of yesterday. The MDT's staff was devastated as of recently by a serries of murders targeting the MDT's top employees. With most of their senior staff dead, the MDT has been unable to produce a quality newspaper. In the absence of the MDT, San Angeleanos have turned to the Daily Morning Times as their source for news. Sales figures show that the Daily Morning Times's sales have more than tripled since the MDT declared bankruptcy. Some claim that the DMT was involved in the murders of the MDT employees, but no one has found any evidence implicating them. Thok, the new owner of the DMT, was unavailable for comment since he is vacationing on his newly aquired private island.

Corrections:

The MDT omitted a correction regarding the story about
FalloutGirl
on Day 3. FalloutGirl was not a member of a conspiracy to eliminate employees of the MDT. She was just a loyal member of the MDT who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Gin Fizz (Chief Editor/Town) lynched Day 6
Foolster41 (Writer/Town) killed in the endgame


Congratulations Thok, Nightfall, and, Bertrand. Scum win.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:30 pm
by Gin Fizz
CA's read was one that made sense, but there's an asymmetry either way: if Foolster is scum, then both investigator roles are town; if Thok is scum, then every ability that causes an article to appear in the paper belongs to the town. Given that the scum have infiltrated the paper, neither of these asymmetries seemed more likely than the other to me.

Sigh. I came close to moving from the obvious lynch to the guy who cast the deciding vote. Not bad for walking in on the last day of the first mafia game I've ever played.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:35 pm
by Gin Fizz
Thok wrote:I still can't believe town lynched N_lich day 1, especially with every single scum arguing against that lynch.
You saw his one and only article; was he actually a cop whose results appeared in the paper?

IIRC, he also went to the grave without telling us whom he targeted. That could have been moderately useful information, depending who it was.

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:36 pm
by Yggdrasil
Game Summary


In the Headlines (1/12):

Thok (Reporter/Mafia)

In the Obituaries (11):

RangeroftheNorth (Writer/Town) Killed Night 1
N_lich (Writer/Town) Lynched Day 1
TSAGod (Writer/Town) Killed Night 2
FalloutGirl (Photographer/Town) Lynched Day 2
bethelmark (Writer/Town) Killed Night 3
bertrand (Intern/Mafia) Lynched Day 3
stark (Intern/Town) Killed Night 4
Nightfall (Writer/Mafia) Lynched Day 4
Commodore Amazing (Reporter/Town) Killed Night 6
Gin Fizz (Chief Editor/Town) Lynched Day 6
Foolster41 (Writer/Town) Killed in the Endgame

Scum (Thok, Nightfall, bertrand) win!