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~Mini Vote Count (12)

IceGuy (L-2)

~ Parama, Maxous, Messiah

Cheery Dog (L-3)

~ IceGuy, SpyreX

Panzerjager (L-4)

~ implosion

implosion (L-4)

~ Cheery Dog

Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta,

(SpyreX,)

Panzerjager

I'm dealing with a lot of crap right now. Sorry. I'll find time to post more content tomorrow or tuesday but my lack of activity is a combination of this game starting to drag because no one was posting and panzer is ignoring me and RL being... weird.

↑ Maxous wrote:If you have no time for the game can you just drop a vote on Ice guy and lynch him please so the more active players can figure out what's going on in this game. thx

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To anyone

How exactly sure this work?

I wouldn't say I'm against a Cheery wagon, Spyrex. See here where I directly state that I can't really see him flipping scum; I still feel that way.

You seem to feel similarly to IceGuy as I do about Cheery, actually, but I'm surprised you've been so adamant about wanting him dead given that.

Also Spyrex, Safety explicitly said IceGuy should be the Day 2 lynch. Perhaps he was the target?

I think you're grasping at straws with that last quote. Block = Self-Redirect?

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:

↑ Maxous wrote:If you have no time for the game can you just drop a vote on Ice guy and lynch him please so the more active players can figure out what's going on in this game. thx

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To anyone

How exactly sure this work?

Huh?

Regarding Messiah: He's town for post #9 of the game.

Spyrex's post was kinda *whoosh* for me tbh

Anybody wanna halp me with a read on it?

Also Spyrex, Safety explicitly said IceGuy should be the Day 2 lynch. Perhaps he was the target?

I think you're grasping at straws with that last quote. Block = Self-Redirect?

I'm absolutely grasping at straws. When you look at it cross-eyed, a redirect is like a block - well, as close as you could get in code.

Its not that I

~Vote Count XIX

IceGuy (L-2)

~ Parama, Maxous, Messiah

Cheery Dog (L-3)

~ IceGuy, SpyreX

Panzerjager (L-4)

~ implosion

implosion (L-4)

~ Cheery Dog

Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, Panzerjager

↑ Maxous wrote:Spyrex's post was kinda *whoosh* for me tbh

Anybody wanna halp me with a read on it?

I believe it to be town.

(and with your other post, "sure" should be "would".

I'll be active here after classes wednesday I promise

this week suuuucks

Open up Cheery Dog's ISO and follow me down the rabbit hole.



ISO #3 reads:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:
I don't think Mhork should be lynched yet, IceGuy and Spyrex are yet to post.

This is a non-post. He doesn't say "Mhork should be lynched because I think he's town". He also doesn't say "I think Mhork is scum" or even "I don't have an opinion on Mhork". He doesn't have any opinion regarding the lynch, and he's trying to stop it on what's essentially a formality.

ISO #4 reads very differently:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:I can see why people have him as a scumread, but I'm not sure if that's the case or not.
I'm not currently reading him as town anyway (still null), so if someone decides he should be an early lynch I'm not going to stop them.

The only posts that were between #3 and #4 was a callout by kanye and a vote count.

This is not town behavior.



He sways wildly on my lynch:

ISO #11:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:
I'm fine with an IceGuy lynch today regardless of whether Safety targetted him or not.

ISO #12:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:and now I'm not even fine with an IceGuy lynch.

ISO #21:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:Because I have townreads on the other two wagons?

ISO #23:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:I'd rather go IceGuy over sword. (or you guys could join me on implosion)

UNVOTE: VOTE: IceGuy

he's posted only fluff.

So, yeah, this is why my vote is on him and I don't see it moving elsewhere.

~Vote Count XX

IceGuy (L-2)

~ Parama, Maxous, Messiah

Cheery Dog (L-3)

~ IceGuy, SpyreX

Panzerjager (L-4)

~ implosion

implosion (L-4)

~ Cheery Dog

Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, Panzerjager

I believe it's quite clear I wasn't wanting him lynched then because we were only on page 3, I didn't have Mhork as town, but I needed more content from everybody to still get better reads. As you can see by my lack of reads, I'm still failing in this regard.

The reason I changed my read on you was entirely that you still labelled Mhork as a mislynch in #193, as I had better evidence (the fact how sword started would have been really hard bussing) meant out of the two of you, you were a lesser townread and more likely to flip scum. I'd rather have still lynched elsewhere, but nothing will happen there.

In post 419, Messiah wrote:

In post 416, PJ. wrote:It's probably best to still lynch Cheery maybe.

Why?

He's been suspected pretty heavily and would probably give more information then Implosion and I think ICEGuy is town

On a flight today. Might post tonight when I land.

prod dodging I guess?

Still not impressed by Ice and still not ignoring night kills

I just woke up from a 3.5-hour nap. It was awesome.

I lean town on iceguy. I think most of his behavior is, unfortunately, null. I think his post on this page is fairly good. I will probably say more later today.

god 437 is a terrible post

explain

~Vote Count XXI

IceGuy (L-2)

~ Parama, Maxous, Messiah

Cheery Dog (L-3)

~ IceGuy, SpyreX

Panzerjager (L-4)

~ implosion

implosion (L-4)

~ Cheery Dog

Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, Panzerjager

Okay I guess, since you asked so nicely.

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In post 437, IceGuy wrote:Open up Cheery Dog's ISO and follow me down the rabbit hole.

Day 1

ISO #3 reads:

In post 74, Cheery Dog wrote: I don't think Mhork should be lynched yet, IceGuy and Spyrex are yet to post.

This is a non-post. He doesn't say "Mhork should be lynched because I think he's town". He also doesn't say "I think Mhork is scum" or even "I don't have an opinion on Mhork". He doesn't have any opinion regarding the lynch, and he's trying to stop it on what's essentially a formality.

ISO #4 reads very differently:

In post 77, Cheery Dog wrote:I can see why people have him as a scumread, but I'm not sure if that's the case or not.
I'm not currently reading him as town anyway (still null), so if someone decides he should be an early lynch I'm not going to stop them.

The only posts that were between #3 and #4 was a callout by kanye and a vote count.

This is not town behavior.

This is a actually a really good point. It's also very, very clearly manufactured by IceGuy after the fact so his vote on his counter-wagon can be justified. Note that he came out of the gate voting Cheery today and only later made his case.



See: Consistent questioning of the wagon on Cheery, heavily implying that he has no idea why it exists. Also see: "going with gut" to vote sword when he apparently had a really solid early game tell against Cheery he was keeping in his back pocket and continuing to push through the sword wagon later. Also also see: Saying "LLD next," and then probably never mentioning her again and instead voting his counter-wagon today.

In post 437, IceGuy wrote:

Day 2

He sways wildly on my lynch:

ISO #11:

In post 192, Cheery Dog wrote: I'm fine with an IceGuy lynch today regardless of whether Safety targetted him or not.

ISO #12:

In post 194, Cheery Dog wrote:and now I'm not even fine with an IceGuy lynch.

ISO #21:

In post 305, Cheery Dog wrote:Because I have townreads on the other two wagons?

ISO #23:

In post 341, Cheery Dog wrote:I'd rather go IceGuy over sword. (or you guys could join me on implosion)

UNVOTE: VOTE: IceGuy

Here he's suspicious of Cheery for slightly town-reading him for post 293 I guess? But I mean.. again, he never expressed any suspicion of Cheery during the process of helping lynch sword and he never questioned Cheery's sudden town read either even though it was apparently suspicious to him?

I removed the stuff where he said Cheery only posted fluff on day 3 from the quotes but tbh that just reads as trying too hard to me.

I guess I should read
starting from where my last real post was I guess

In post 399, PJ. wrote:My assumption that he was scum was based on competing wagons, So unless he is scum and the wagon on the townie won out then idk maybe he's scum.

So your stance on Cheery on just day 3:
Lynch him he's scum
JK he's toown and I was wrong
by the way he might possibly be scum because I'm making up reasons for my reads kthx
^what it reads like

In post 399, PJ. wrote:I don't know man, I'm confused.

THEN READ. POST CONTENT. DO SOMETHING.

In post 404, Cheery Dog wrote:Sounds like scum not liking the need to scumhunt much to me.

And then I headdesked so hard that the desk broke in half and I died from my skull breaking in half so I didn't have to read this game anymore
Like. How can you be this stupid. It's just. Baffling.
Side-note: Impy is either town or will be in 3-way lylo
Side-side-note: If Impy is alive in 3-way lylo, lynch him with unrelenting fury
lol cheery mentioning an ongoing game.
okay cheery, go play a goddamn newbie please. if you don't even know site rules you shouldn't be here.

In post 415, Maxous wrote:If you have no time for the game can you just drop a vote on Ice guy and lynch him please so the more active players can figure out what's going on in this game. thx

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To anyone

You're town but please don't act like you're doing a stellar job here 'cause you really haven't added much if anything to the game thus far
if you keep acting this way it's going to come off as scum arrogance and I really REALLY don't want that kind of paranoia right now

In post 416, PJ. wrote:Out of the people wth votes I think the order of most likely to least likely to be scum is Implosion - Cheery - Ice - Me. I'm very lost cause I was so sure Sword and Cheery ewere partners. It's probably best to still lynch Cheery maybe.

That you bothered to include yourself in this just makes me want to kill you with fire. God, maybe impy was right.
And was your entire logic behind sword and/or cheery that they were totally scum partners guise? 'cause no offense but that's a pretty poor way to decide, always vote for who looks scummiest on their own, theorize but don't vote based on pairings until you have a flipped scum to read interactions off of
but this is mafia discussion not game-related so w/e

In post 417, IceGuy wrote:

In post 415, Maxous wrote:If you have no time for the game can you just drop a vote on Ice guy and lynch him please so the more active players can figure out what's going on in this game. thx

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To anyone

Looking for the easy lynch?

Not kidding, I sat with my face buried in my hands for about a solid minute after reading this
this is a new low of mafia lows and I really am ready to just kill you for REFUSING TO DO ANYTHING BUT DEFEND YOUR FRIGGIN SELF AND ACTING LIKE YOU'RE TOWNGOD WHEN YOU'RE FAR FROM IT
SERIOUSLY ICE WHAT THE HELL IS THIS

In post 418, Maxous wrote:yes

*slow clap*
Never stop being awesome, Maxous.

In post 419, Messiah wrote:I think the best explanation for kanye's death is that IceGuy is scum. He wanted IceGuy dead the most

I'm losing faith in the people I didn't already dislike in this game to.
Why, mini 1436. Why.
LLD while I agree that spyspy isn't on his a-game here I don't see anything in particular that stands out as scummy to me so please provide this quickly and make it worth my time to read kthx
though. 424 leaves me feeling resoundingly "meh".
Most if not all of those reads come off as "I don't have a real read on more than 3 people"
And the Cheery argument while appreciated is kind of unnecessary and not really strong, WIFOMy more than anything
and honestly if that is a crumb, it's far subtler than any reasonable crumb I'm used to seeing, 'cause I don't see it at all
not that implo is the paragon of towniness, but he's certainly not in the deep end of the scumpool either.
Cheery 428: wat

In post 430, Messiah wrote:Also Spyrex, Safety explicitly said IceGuy should be the Day 2 lynch. Perhaps he was the target?

in my experience you don't waste a PR on someone you already are planning on lynching, especially one that gets you killed and thus unable to push a lynch if right

In post 431, Maxous wrote:

In post 428, Cheery Dog wrote: How exactly sure this work?

Huh?

see, we're resonating on the same wavelength here.
huh?

In post 432, Maxous wrote:Spyrex's post was kinda *whoosh* for me tbh

Anybody wanna halp me with a read on it?

As in "WHOOSH I don't get it" or "WHOOSH I don't care about it/don't like it"

Oh IceGuy could you be any more transparent
Your day 1 points are easily disproved because they are COMPLETELY UNRELATED. Cheery says nothing about his read in ISO 3. In ISO 4 he does. You can read someone as scum without wanting to rush a lynch on them. You at least reminded me of how effing terrible his ISO 3 is though.
Day 2 points: HEY GUESS WHAT NUMB NUTS READS CAN CHANGE
Day 3 points: you hypocrite

all in all this is such a non-case that I'm not even going to acknowledge it
it just seems like an attempt to push the wagon onto what appears to be the only valid counterwagon without putting any thought or effort into the push
...I have just realized that this game is pretty terrible. I blame all of you.
Still waiting LLD I know you have this life thing and all but you've been pretty low-content and under-the-radar all game and posted about the possibility of something actually quite relevant to my interests before deciding that you had a life and left me hanging
443: No his post sucks
444: agreed
445: It should be evident, unless you want to argue why his post is good?

I'm so tired. Of this game. Of everything. It's literally impossible to pick out the scum when you have three derpmoblies riding around doing their best to make sure the game is unreadable
most of all I'm worried about a scenario where all three derpmobiles are town and the scum aren't even having to try to win
'cause with a beautiful day 1 lynch like that this game should be a steamroller but it's turned into a dog chasing its tail (OOH THEMATIC HUEHUEHUE)

I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS

Cheery: Stop being dumb
Panzer: Start trying
Ice: DIE IN A FIRE

fortunately for my sanity there is no way Cheery and Ice are scum together so if we can get one to flip red the other is pretty damn clear

I will say with certainty that reading has thoroughly been a waste of my time, and I would like an apology from each and every one of you