Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[goodmorning]

So who do you feel is being opportunistic about him?

Uh, who has him as a scumread? I mean the lists are basically the same

I'll go back and look at actual reasoning and stuff later if you like, but right now I'm in my old glasses and they're making me feel faintly queasy round the edges.

[goodmorning]

Oh, uh, Tracey? You wanna mod totalnewb? I think it calls for far above ICexplains.

Done.

[fferyllt]

So who do you feel is being opportunistic about him?

Uh, who has him as a scumread? I mean the lists are basically the same

I'll go back and look at actual reasoning and stuff later if you like, but right now I'm in my old glasses and they're making me feel faintly queasy round the edges.

What I'm trying to get at is that more than 2 people have him in their scum pile, or at least null-scum. Some of those people have to be town by process of elimination. But, if you're right about him being town, then there may be a scum player voicing enough suspicion of him that they could credibly join the wagon if enough town get behind it.

That seems like a place to look for scum.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

[L-4] Fropome: (goodmorning)

[L-4] fferyllt: (Mac)

[L-4] Deras: (CareyHammer)

[L-5] ArcAngel9:

[L-5] Mac:

[L-5] Eye Urn:

[L-4] CareyHammer: (Revenus)

[L-5] Revenus:

[L-4] goodmorning: (Fropome)

Not Voting:

4 (ArcAngel9, Deras, fferyllt, Eye Urn)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: April 18, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-04-18 20:45:00).
  
• V/LA: Revenus ((expired on 2013-04-07 18:34:00))

[goodmorning]

What I'm trying to get at is that more than 2 people have him in their scum pile, or at least null-scum. Some of those people have to be town by process of elimination. But, if you're right about him being town, then there may be a scum player voicing enough suspicion of him that they could credibly join the wagon if enough town get behind it.

That seems like a place to look for scum.

That's it in a nutshell, basically with the opinion added that at the speed suspicion based solely on lurking grew it makes it more likely that one or even both Scum are in that suspecting group.

[goodmorning]

Oh, uh, Tracey? You wanna mod totalnewb? I think it calls for far above ICexplains.

Done.

Thank youuuuuuu

[CareyHammer]

We need to start building wagons on someone. All this one vote each is not getting us anywhere.

[CareyHammer]

Eye Urn, ff, please place your vote on your best scum reads.

[goodmorning]

Why ask them? Why not someone else? Why not call out Deras or AA9?

I think the single votes are a good way of feeling out where people stand. It is, after all, only a week into D1.

[CareyHammer]

I ask ff because she was browsing the forum when I posted. And Eye Urn is fairly active. AA9 just replaced in, but AA9 and Deras are both welcome to place a vote too.

[CareyHammer]

Hello! I literally have no idea what to do but this is a Zelda themed game and I am incredibly interested. So I would love my first game to be this one and I hope you all accept me here. This should be fun.

Who is this? Go the queue and sign up!

[fferyllt]

I ask ff because she was browsing the forum when I posted. And Eye Urn is fairly active. AA9 just replaced in, but AA9 and Deras are both welcome to place a vote too.

My reads are in flux. I've got some questions waiting in the thread. ISOs tomorrow. Then I should be ready to put another vote down.

[fferyllt]

Jesus almost 10 hours without a single post.

[goodmorning]

Well, you and I have said all there is to say. I know as an IC it's kind of my responsibility to keep it moving a bit but honestly there's not much I can say until people get their asses in here and post content.

[CareyHammer]

what are your reads, ff?

[fferyllt]

still in flux. Magic 8 ball says that time zones will unmesh in such a way that ISOing this thread will have my full attention in about 4-5 hours.

[CareyHammer]

Whats your time zone?

[fferyllt]

It's not my time zone that is the problem. I'm just trying to make the most of a time when players in another game are around. Might be less than 4 hours. They're dropping like flies.

I'm in your time zone.

[fferyllt]

Eye Urn, ff, please place your vote on your best scum reads.

Is Deras your strongest scum read? Have you explained why?

because this is kinda weak

Here I am, every night at 10:30pm PDT, exhausted from my day, trying to catch up.

I am not a troll, just a player trying to learn the game.

I am also dysgraphic, so writing content is difficult for me. Eye Urn, please cut me some slack.

Who is the scummiest of the scumreads right now? Not ff, not good morning, not even Eye Urn.

Ravenous maybe for calling me a turd. lol.

I think maybe Deras but I'm not sure yet.

316 was a good post. I wish I could do that.

so,

Unvote
Vote Deras

[CareyHammer]

I know. I will try to come up with some better reads this weekend, but I will be V/LA for a while.

[CareyHammer]

I would be nice to hear more from Rev

[Fropome]

I didn't see this theory get developed. Did I miss something?

Could you outline it for me please?

I don't think I presented it as a theory per se, but I did refer to what was starting to coalesce in my thoughts before I unvoted GM...I think. Maybe I said something about how ill-formed her case was after I unvoted.

GM's case on me was vehement and kinda short on facts, though quite long. She took a ton of my posts and interpreted them about as negatively as was possible. In some cases she was recasting them as scummy even though after they were posted she'd mentioned her townfeel. I think it's mostly reaction to me - the pressure I put on her starting with my vote.

In reading other games, I found that the length of her case was unusual. Its ill formed spaghetti-against-the-wall approach didn't look all that much like her scum games that I had time to review. And as we went back and forth, I found myself getting pretty temperish here and there, which once my temper cooled made me pretty cautious about how I was interpreting her posts.

I think there's a really big chasm between our game styles. Her style, with the cute all caps end notes, the condescension, and other emotional curlicues annoys me. And I am reacting pretty negatively to that, which doesn't help in getting to an objective read of how she's reacted to the pressure I put on her.

But that WoT case looks townish awful so I've upgraded her to unsure.

Now I'm thinking about who avoided those skirmishes, and whether anyone appeared to be trying to fan the flames, and from which direction.

Okay, that makes sense, and I have a ton of empathy for one or two points.
I did note that you hadn't exactly backed off, just unvoted.
Of course, the data is the thing.

@Fropome, your game is a little different here. The differences became more apparent to me after you started posting again after your weekend break. I know that you've been studying games and thinking about how to play effectively so I'm cautious about calling different "scummy". Prior to this, I've thought your play was a little distant and removed, if that makes sense. I don't think I've seen you go after another player the way you have GM.

This is true, and to be honest I myself have been quite annoyed by her. So part of the reason for not coming back until now was to give myself time to back off, while getting some other things done meanwhile. I'd say I'm feeling my way in. I expected my comments about GM's post to draw attention, but I didn't expect it to develop into drama. I have no idea what I expected, this is the data gathering phase, and as I think you know my early games, when I have been happy with my role, I like to poke around and see what happens. It was the tone, or whatever (you described it well) which got under my skin and brought out the worst in me.

Also, where did GM and I make peace. I'd say that I have backed off a bit and am trying to widen my view now. But, I get no sense of peace made from anything that GM has posted.

My bad, I meant it the other way around. She made a post which ended with stuff about being all nice and friendly now, which I was commenting on.

I'm sorry I haven't been around, will pick up next week - I really didn't realise how much time I would spend on a project elsewhere.


@everyone. Am reading last 4 pages now, might not get chance to respond to everything tonight if there's things there for me, but will try. Otherwise I will come back to it over the weekend.

[CareyHammer]

V/LA for 48 hours

Noted.

[Fropome]

I didn't make post 253. Did you mean 223? 213? I didn't make any posts in the 230s or 250s.

Uhh? I can only assume some weird fucked up c&p
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4834273

That's the post and the URL there ends in 273, but I wouldn't have handcrafted it.

[fferyllt]

I am still liking Deras for town. If he's scum he's totally zoomed me (Aretha Franklin reference ftw)

Cary is coming off quite earnest and stuff since his earlier stfu I'm on spring break get a life posts or whatever they were

Revenus scares me. He's posting stuff I agree with for the most part but not enough and not often enough.

My townish read on Eye has gone a little stale.

My townish read on Fropome is stale and also flecked with paranoia. (HOWEVER - he posted while I was working on this so I'll back off on this a tad)

Mac is bugging me. I'm cautious because I have a tendency to either trust or strongly distrust people who go after me. More likely to trust someone who does it first or does it originally. Second and sloppy seconds not so much. I'm awaiting his response to an earlier post I made. Right now, I'm cautiously leaning scum.

ArcAngel - she came into a slot that I was starting to get a scum vibe from. I've read a couple of her scum games to see if the relatively large amounts of stuff that is not applicable to this game or its current landscape is a feature of her scum games. I'd say that the quantity is not typical. But, a quick ISO of a couple town games do appear to be more short, sharp and to the point. The whole argument about the likelihood of one SE/IC player being scum and the other being in a n00b slot feels like distraction and maybe misdirection. Right now, I'm leaning scum.

goodmorning - backing off, I'm finding that I'm reading most of her recent posts as town, and more telling, I'm replying to her as though she's town. That often happens before I actually wake up to the fact that I've decided someone is town. So yeah, my gut has decided she's town.

I'm taking anything I've written here that is meta based with a huge grain of salt. My game does have a strong meta-analysis component. MS is like a meta goldmine and I could easily spend a ton of time reading prior games looking for patterns I can match to this one. But, one thing I've learned in my short time playing here, is that for me to do reliable meta-analysis it has to be meta that I've experienced. A will of ISO posts is not a good substitute for the types of comparisons I draw about games I've actually experienced.