Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Does Bo Know]

Meh, he never really mentioned using the RQS to

determine

Mafia though. Just werewolves.

Until later of course.

[Icebox]

But how does saying it later with no prompting make him null? Isn't that good? It shows an honesty and willingness to be open without prompting by others. The question is clearly designed for both alignments. If anything, it's geared toward finding Mafia over werewolves.

Unrelated (but related): your Fuzzy read. It's our meta understanding of him versus yours. A lot of these players have played with Fuzzy. For those who haven't (and if you're a player that uses meta) please compare his scum and town games.

@ Bulb: Explain why you think Fuzzy's response makes him town.

-Rem

[Does Bo Know]

But how does saying it later with no prompting make him null? Isn't that good? It shows an honesty and willingness to be open without prompting by others. The question is clearly designed for both alignments. If anything, it's geared toward finding Mafia over werewolves.

Unrelated (but related): your Fuzzy read. It's our meta understanding of him versus yours. A lot of these players have played with Fuzzy. For those who haven't (and if you're a player that uses meta) please compare his scum and town games.

@ Bulb: Explain why you think Fuzzy's response makes him town.

-Rem

Theoretical Mafia-Klick might've said it later without prompting because going on about werewolves instead of switching to finding both werewolves and Mafia with the RQS would make him suspicious, right?

Why are you so intent on me thinking Klick is town, anyway?

[Icebox]

Theoretical mafia-Klick wouldn't have forgotten to in the first place.

1. Because your reading of his character didn't make sense to me. If I see something off in someone's reads, I'm going to ask about it. While I am a town hunter, that doesn't mean I don't hunt scum. I'm looking at your reasoning. I am looking for what people's opinions are and looking to find out if they are fake, or not.

[Bulbazak]

@Mod: I've had my vote on Icebox for awhile now.

Vote count has been fixed to reflect this. Any time I have missed anything just let me know like this.

@Bo:

2. Who would you like to be

Mafia

with in this game?

Your reasons are invalid.

@ Bulb: Explain why you think Fuzzy's response makes him town.

He's not backing off of his stances (#410) and they read as genuine.

[Icebox]

We've been saying in thread for quite a while that Fuzzy is stubborn about his reads

In the thread, to his face.

-Rem

[Does Bo Know]

So I'm not allowed to have a null read on Klick, Bulb?

[Bulbazak]

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that your RQS Mafia/Werewolf reasoning has been shown to be invalid. If he's null because of activity, that's fine, but it's not enough for a scum read.

[Does Bo Know]

It isn't enough for a scum read.

It's enough for a not-town-yet read.

[fuzzybutternut]

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

is there no null-field for you?

What do you mean by this, Mac?

[Syryana]

Hey Bo, is the reason you're reading fuzzy as town now due to meta and the fact that he's sticking to his guns?

Icebox, if you were wrong about fuzzy, who is scum? I see in your #367 your only other read is Autti and that's a slight scumread.

Brief thoughts: I'm not agreeing with Bo that fuzzy is town. I've played with him as town before too a couple times and though I do agree he votes people with what I can only describe as "fuzzylogic" (teehee) and sticks to his guns like he's doing here, I can't get past is his opportunism. In the games I played with him, I don't ever recall him being swayed by a case that fast, no matter how good the case was. Also, I noticed another interesting tidbit while I was ISO'ing fuzzy:

UNVOTE:

Klick is town.

Hmm. Klick is town.

Egg, if I was unsure about my vote, I would unvote. If it was a contrived vote, there would be no doubt in your mind that it was contrived.

Two nearly identical posts, over 275 posts apart. I feel like he forgot his townread on Klick. I don't understand why he would forget, particularly in the light of the fact that Klick hadn't really said anything in the interim. The bolded part of the second post also strengthens my thoughts about his opportunism in voting zach. He seems damned sure zach is scum. I thought my case was decent, but I don't see how he's so sure now, particularly since Icebox had a decent point about town paranoia in their post responding to my questioning their townread on zach.

[fuzzybutternut]

Since when does paranoia = town? Scum can't be paranoid? And How does it look like I forgot that klick was town? I literally said the exact same thing.

[Syryana]

Since when does paranoia = town? Scum can't be paranoid? And How does it look like I forgot that klick was town? I literally said the exact same thing.

I said it was a decent point. It wasn't enough to clear zach by any stretch of the imagination, but it was enough to make me reevaluate his play. As indecisive as you usually are it surprised me that you were as certain in your case as you were.

Also, it was the posts being identical that made me notice. There wasn't any reason to repeat yourself since you'd said nothing about Klick between the first and the second. Ergo, I think you forgot Klick was town.

[fuzzybutternut]

No. I was asked for reads, so I gave reads. I didn't forget anything.

[Syryana]

No. I was asked for reads, so I gave reads. I didn't forget anything.

Not in the posts I was quoting you weren't. You were in no way that I can see prompted for your #398.

[fuzzybutternut]

Oh, okay. I thought that post was after I asked.
No, that was me reconfirming myself.

I stated he was town earlier, after he voted me. His posts only continued to look town to me, so I restated that he was town.

[thenewearth]

*cough* prod dodge *cough*

I'll

probably

get serious later. Depending on stuff

[Does Bo Know]

*cough* prod dodge *cough*

I'll

probably

get serious later. Depending on stuff

Start doing this shit like in Open 484 and you'll lose my town read.

[thenewearth]

Right right... I won't

[thenewearth]

@Mod: V/LA for probably and unknown number of days. Laptop issues ans shiz

[Egg]

*cough* prod dodge *cough*

I'll

probably

get serious later. Depending on stuff

Start doing this shit like in Open 484 and you'll lose my town read.

Still not caught up but I've been skimming and this caught my eye.

This is the second time Bo has straight up told Thene how to look town. Just sayin'.

[Icebox]

Partner is V/LA again, personal matter.

Requesting another prod of Zachattack.

@Syrana:
If Fuzzy is not scum, then it's scum read #2, Autti. I just can't see a reason for his dishonesty, from a town POV. Bulbazak's playstyle is frustrating, but I've come to accept that I am going to have to ask him to explain himself every time he talks in this game, I forgot to put him in my reads.

-Rem

[Bulbazak]

What don't you understand?

[Does Bo Know]

*yawn*

I'm not gonna be on for a while tomorrow night. Birthday shenanigans and what-not.

Any questions tonight?

[Icebox]

What don't you understand?

You say this doesn't look genuine, or this is wrong, or you don't "like" something. But you don't elaborate further without prompting. It makes it difficult to determine if you're scum hunting or not.