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In post 279, Grimgroove wrote:Why wouldn't they? I do it all the time, arguing bullshit sometimes

allows you to get the feel of a person

, emotions they go through and possibly underlying motivations.
I actually find myself ending up in quite a few bullshit-arguments without really wanting to, but seriously, it happens all the time, for town and scum alike. I'm sure you know that.
Scummy argument to make.

You just said that her early read on him was suspect and now you are saying she was likely just prodding him for an early read.

In post 275, Grimgroove wrote:Why do you feel the need to add a townread of Wisdom this early?

Phrasing STRONGLY suggests that he knows Amrun is scum and her reads are faked.

I take back my Venmar suspicions. Hes town. No way he is scum with Amrun or Grim. Just derp. Venmar, you misread me so hard in Open Space. Just remember that good old AP was fucking right about you that time and I will be this time.

Open Space? Idk what you're talking about.

In post 421, pirate mollie wrote:okay so what serious discussion do you think was going on that I should have been responding to? tbh when this game started I had just had a margarita and was feeling pretty light hearted. I interacted with ap and he didn't seem nervous nor uncomfortable so I was leaning town on him. I pushed him a bit in order to solidify the read and I think his "why is mollie freaking out on me" post seems genuine. his reads and the logic for them are terribad IMO but terribad reads do not make him scum. he is unsure/ leaning town at the mo but I am expecting him to do some stuff before I call him town.

What did you think of Amrun's plan at the time? That was the big topic of the day.

I agree with you, though, that not everything you did page 6 was inherently useless. For example, some of your posts pre-page 6 talk about your uncertainty about how this setup works, which I'm treating as null—the challenge mechanic, as has been demonstrated, is not something everybody understood at first pass-through. I certainly didn't entirely get it when I first read about it in the queue.

In post 421, pirate mollie wrote:

In post 410, StrangerCoug wrote:

In post 373, pirate mollie wrote:what is weird is that you read on me should have progressed as you got caught up with the game. and it hasn't. you are still scumreading me cos of early posts.

Though he should take later posts into consideration, as well, that does not make the early game irrelevant.

FoS: pirate mollie

I never said it was irrelevant. where did you get that? I said I found it weird that groovey kid's read on me had not progressed. scum don't take in new info and assimilate it and work from there. they instead find flawed reasons for remaining sticky with their reads.

I misunderstood what you were saying in your post—I thought that was what was implied by your post. If you think he's overly focusing on your play in one part of the game, that's a legitimate concern.

In post 424, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 288, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 149, AngryPidgeon wrote:
P-P-edit:

She really did call herself likely town for the plan

and then defend the plan by pointing to "experience". That is not town motivated.

Part in bold: Not true.
The rest: Don't agree.

Yes, she did:

In post 94, Amrun wrote:In fact, traditionally, such suggestions are made far more often by town

Grim is not commenting on my alignment but soft-agrees with Venmar's 'case' on me and implies I'm blatantly misrepping events in the thread. I'm basically down to lynch that with no questions asked right now.

Way to fucking snip that sentence in half so it says the opposite of what I actually said. That's so blatantly scum I can't even believe it. Wow.

In post 425, AngryPidgeon wrote:Phrasing STRONGLY suggests that he knows Amrun is scum and her reads are faked.

Umm what? I know that Amrun is scum? So are you calling me scum?

In post 426, AngryPidgeon wrote:I take back my Venmar suspicions. Hes town. No way he is scum with Amrun or Grim.

Please explain this.
Is he town because of lack of association with Amrun/Grim (which you falsely think are scum)?
Or is he town for other reasons?

In post 423, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 245, Majiffy wrote:It appears to me that Wisdom is actively shifting his meta in this game. He's trying a different approach than I've seen him use in any other game.

Do you think hes scummy for that?

Obviously not, as evinced by my town read on him. He's using a technique I toyed around with briefly a year or two ago.


Both are scum, so keep calm and vote on.

VOTE: Grimgroove

^lol

Now I realize how right Amrun was

I think the Silver Snakes being in the challenge pool was bound to happen so I'm not surprised. It was a matter of either AngryPidgeon, pirate_mollie or Majify to start ego-tripping, all of them have the personality to do so. My mistake for rattling their cages I guess.

Of the current lynchpool, I have to say that since pirate_mollie's latest post has started to convince me of the sincerety of her read, I think I'll be voting either my own partner, who seemed to be buddying up to people in the latest posts, or Majify, who simply senses a lot of support for a lynch on me but doesn't have to reasons to back that up. In that case pirate_mollie will be wrong inh er read on her partner, but I won't even begin trying to convince her of that for obvious reasons.

Lol don't have reasons ok.

Grim, mollie and Majiffy are town, Stranger is also nulltown for me.
Nice move, Jiffy, I can't vote anyone.
You just couldn't have the fucking orange team of scum challenge whoever.

In post 436, Majiffy wrote:Lol don't have reasons ok.

Are you drunk?

In post 438, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 436, Majiffy wrote:Lol don't have reasons ok.

Are you drunk?

Well, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that you're posturing an absurd position that is patently false.

Which position would that be?

Simply give us everything you got on me and spare me the horror of having to go through a point-by-point discussion with you.

Far too intoxicated for that right now, but I like how you've already self-admitted to lying about the fact that I have nothing on you by 1) Asking what my position is [to an already obvious question about my read on you, ergo having reasons to scum read you] and 2) then subsequently asking me to provide you with the things you've already stated I don't [or couldn't] have.

I'll crush you tomorrow. For now, enjoy your sleep.

You'll conjure something up I'm sure, it just won't be as convincing as you think it to be during your current alcoholorwhatever-high. I'd strongly advise you to already try to give reasons now, because tomorrow it will be too painful for you to do so.

I've iso'd StrangerCoug, haven't got anything on him. A bit of gut but that's it, the buddying I was referring to could simply be genuine agreement.
Bah, Majify broke my game.

Majiffy WHAT THE HELL, WE SHOULD BE CHALLENGING WISDOM.

Worst wake up surprise, evarrrrrrrr

^Look at the scum faking frustration
I'm guessing he's actually really happy with Majiffy's drunkderp

In post 420, pirate mollie wrote:@ groovey kid

I am not going to do round of wall wars with you cos tbh I find them boring and tedious. I will do a round or 2 but anything beyond and my brains just shuts down. so I am not going to respond to you point by point, I am just going to go over the highlights.

- I am guessing that eno's response (who was more succinct and more articulate in his explanation than I ever could) as to why someone might want to talk to their partner cos you seem satisfied with the answer. the only thing I would add is that discussing reads with your partner is a good way to bounce off ideas cos one person might see something the other miss. it is 1 of the reasons why I like hydras (I am in 6), cos I have another person to talk to and it helps me to stay grounded. left to my own devices I am likely to be consumed by paranoia, get confused, jump at shadows and make terribad decisions. I am well aware of my strengths and weaknesses in mafia so I try to hydra with people who can balance that out. what I am wondering is why coug has not explained the benefits of having another person to bounce things off of in your qt and why you did not just ask him there instead of bringing it to the thread.

I had hoped you'd respond more specifially to my wall, because that would have showed more clearly if you were trying to understand my point of view of things, but ok. I see the added value in case you can fully trust the other person (like in a hydra), but in this set-up this is not the case. With regards to scumhunting in a 1on1 QT: I don't see how it can be done effectively. MAybe it's lack of experience, maybe it's lack of skill, but I don't see any ways of creating such an atmosphere in a QT where my partner would somehow slip. All the reading can be done in the main topic I think.
To return to my bus metaphor, you have explained why it is important for you to take the bus, yet you still didn't explain why you didn't want to read a book while wiaiting for the bus.

- why I am town reading majiffy: in gchat (and you may or may not understand this) he said, "don't mention ongoing games" cos he thought that I was referring to a game that was in the late stages where we pretty much went 1v1 for 3 game days. I wasn't. I was referring to if I do not get sort him out early I will remain paranoid for the entire game. <----- he came to this conclusion, all on his own through no help from me. the reason why I read tht as pure town was cos his chastisement came from a place where he was genuinely trying to get a read on me and didn't want an outside influence that he could not use. he was genuinely trying to read me where as scum he would already know my alignment. does this make sense?

I don't know, I guess you know him better, I've been told not to discuss ongoing games to in this game by several people, but I don't consider them as town. Enforcing/reminding others of objective rules is more of a null-tell in my eyes.
That explain you reading Majiffy as town. What about the other way around and his read on you? ()

I have been playing mafia for a long time just on different sites. I have a different playstyle than most and a very large scumhunting toolbox. sometimes I will flirt, joke, get confrontational, talk about the weather or whatever in order to get players to drop their guard and give up a tell. the whole point is to disarm the player in order to get a read. I base my reads on how people react and try to determine if it comes from a town or scum mindset. I once got uber goober to let down his guard and tell me why scum was keeping me alive in posh. <----- still couldn't get him lynched even though he stated it right there in the thread.

Do you also have a toolbox for when you're scum?

I am simply not everyone's cup of tea and I am pretty sure you will never understand "mollie logic". I don't think like most people and a lot of people scumread me for this but what I have noticed is that it is usually scum who are sticky with their read cos when I am town I freaking scream town.

is there anything else you would like to know

Sticky reads or tunneling has been done by town and scum alike. I don't think this is a strong argument, regardless of whether or not I agree with my read on you actually being sticky.

You discussed mollie logic, what is your impression of Grimgroove-logic?

In post 447, Wisdom wrote:^Look at the scum faking frustration
I'm guessing he's actually really happy with Majiffy's drunkderp

Look at the scum scumslipping some more. STOP SCUMSLIPPING MAN, IT'S BAD FOR YOU.