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@ Lngrr, the part about you being unsure makes sense. But by voting Stubbs, I assume you want him lynched, correct? If you are wrong, that would be a pretty big blow to the town by your logic. So, why prevent one of your suspects from being nightkilled?

@F-16, not sure if you read the comments, but I am not sure who to lynch today. Im still down for Marquis, but I voted Stubbs to give Marquis a chance.

Also, if I did and people read my ISO, a vote stands out moreso than text, so occasionally I vote people who I think there is something fishy about, even if I don't want them lynched that Day.

But since people are getting their panties in a twist...

UNVOTE:

:p

In post 424, RachMarie wrote:I doubt both are scum After all why would they do that to themselves? More likely one is scum and one is actually town.

My question was for PA.

In post 426, LnGrrrR wrote:@F-16, not sure if you read the comments, but I am not sure who to lynch today. Im still down for Marquis, but I voted Stubbs to give Marquis a chance.

Also, if I did and people read my ISO, a vote stands out moreso than text, so occasionally I vote people who I think there is something fishy about, even if I don't want them lynched that Day.

But since people are getting their panties in a twist...

UNVOTE:

:p

I just don't get it. Why would have to vote Stubbs to give Marquis a "chance?" You could have simply not voted anybody while you waited for Marquis. Also, deadline is approaching and I find it suspicious that you vote someone who don't wan't lynched.

EBWOP

In post 428, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 426, LnGrrrR wrote:@F-16, not sure if you read the comments, but I am not sure who to lynch today. Im still down for Marquis, but I voted Stubbs to give Marquis a chance.

Also, if I did and people read my ISO, a vote stands out moreso than text, so occasionally I vote people who I think there is something fishy about, even if I don't want them lynched that Day.

But since people are getting their panties in a twist...

UNVOTE:

:p

I just don't get it. Why would you have to vote Stubbs to give Marquis a "chance?" You could have simply not voted anybody while you waited for Marquis. Also, deadline is approaching and I find it suspicious that you vote someone who you don't wan't lynched.

Eh, I am frustrated that we have likely outed at least two, and possibly three, power roles on D1. I'm frustrated that Amrun is likely playing poorly. I'm frustrated that half the town is lurky. And Im frustrated that people weren't smart enough to get off my wagon for BS reasons.

Being suspicious of my claim is, frankly, dumb. Go look at my reaction to the dual JOAT claim, or even Rach's flavor post about people that survived the basilisk.

Again, if I just say "I'm protecting Jason!" then scum could not go after town!Stubbs. Then town mislynches town!Stubbs because he is still alive, and now we lose his other abilities.

Actually though...



If so, then protect yourself tonight, and I will protect Jason, so Jason can use one of his investigations.

ok I've been ignoring this for far too long but I find it unlikely that we already have 3 genuine power role claims during day 1 and while I don't fully believe that there is a conventional/effective town JOAT, it's much more likely that Jason's actions are almost exactly as he says and weak, except he has access to a scum nightkill as well which would make the role much more viable.

there's already a lot of people null- to scum-reading him so don't say this lynch is not viable. we have like 12 hours though so if you're going to lynch me hurry up too, read the wagon tomorrow or something

VOTE: JasonWazza

pedit. LnGrrrR and I had pretty much the same first thoughts so now I'm townreading him like hell

In post 423, fferyllt wrote:

In post 318, penguin_alien wrote:

In post 312, ChannelDelibird wrote:Losing a post sucks but you do need to explain your reaction to Stubbs's claim at an absolute minimum.

PEdit: p_a, why does one have to make more sense than the other?

Two JOAT claims. Could be town-town, town-scum, or scum-scum. Considering how much sense either of them makes is kind of the point. Jason not addressing the other JOAT claim is sketchy, and I'd rather not speculate further until he does, as it seems like we have more time now.

P_A, on reread this post kind of pings, that you included scum-scum.

What made you think this could be a possibility?

Their interactions with one another's wagons weren't super-organic, especially Jason's intent to hammer. And neither one really pushed the other on the claim conflict the way I'd expect town to if someone else impinged on their role. (She says, from the perspective of having had scum accidentally receive my town character as a fakeclaim and subsequently flipping out. And that was just character, not the role name) If one flipped scum, our inclination would be to let the other slide. Plus, Nexus loves giving scum daytalk, which makes that kind of maneuver easier to coordinate.

Having said that, the part where LnGrrrR claimed an adult character with a PR and knowing that the PRs were with non-child characters last game (don't know what Peeves is) makes me inclined to believe Jason over Stubbs. So I'd lynch Marquis to avoid a no-lynch, but I think I like the Stubbs wagon better.

well I'm conflicted. 3 claimed town power roles is not credible, but in order to sort them out:

JasonWazza: Argus Filch
Not a likeable character, but always acted to protect Hogwarts, but sometimes in misguided ways, and the role powers fit. Might make sense as a town traitor.

StubbsKVM: Colin Creevey
An important character in this novel but the role powers "I have a 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop at my disposal" - don't fit, and no further explanation was provided.

LnnGrrrR: nearly Headless Nick
The alignment and role powers look like a good fit to the story.

On that basis:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: StubbsKVM

I remain to be convinced otherwise.

Peeves was a poltergeist

Not sure what the vote count is and I'll spend tonight and tomorrow catching up fully, but now that momentum started to swing back onto Stubbs that he is a viable lynch, I am likely going to vote for him too.

In post 434, MSG wrote:Peeves was a poltergeist

I'm aware; I'm just not sure he fits into the 'adult characters' as a ghost. And the Weasley twins were Siblings, so it's not 100%, I guess.

Okay. Here's my current take.

Two JOAT claims, with Stubbs being the stronger claimed JOAT and Jason being the weaker. As I said before I'm not fucking touching that toDay, for what should be obvious reasons.

Current wagons: LnGrrR and Marquis. I don't really like either of those wagons, particularly with LnGrrR's claim.

Fery is town. CDB is town. Amrun is town.

That leaves: RachMarie, F-16, penguin_alien, Toomai, MSG.

Rach, if you could give your updated thoughts/scumreads/whatever (preferably nothing involving flavor/setup spec) that'd be great.

I don't like F-16's progression from "WTF are you smoking LnGrrR, I don't get anything you're doing" to "oh hey, Stubbs wagon, let's do that"

I don't like 433. MSG is essentially voting for Stubbs because of flavor. Fuck. That.

Toomai still hasn't done shit.

penguin_alien... can wait until later.

VOTE: MSG

I buy lnngrr's claim so I was actually leaning town on him and scum on Stubbs. I couldn't follow his thought process about protecting one of the PRs so I found that scummy. Now I am not sure about him. Stubb's claim I am sure of. But I will expand in a bit.

"Honestly, if you were any slower, you'd be going backward.” - Draco Malfoy

Here are my thoughts on the first 6 pages. I'll post the remaining later after I finish reading through the game and checking relevant player's meta (Stubbs and LngrrrR). I find Stubb's behavior suspicious and I don't buy the claim either so I am pretty sure he is scum but I'll post a more comprehensive read after I finish reading his meta.


1) Amrun – Amrun is my strongest townread. From the beginning, I like her 31 where she asks Rach about her opinions on the bouncing wagons. It was pretty much the same thing that I was thinking. Her point about how lngrr sounds tonally is also a strong one.
2) ChannelDelibird – The way he jumped off the Amrun wagon and hopped on lngrr was very indicative of my own thoughts about the game at that point. His read on Amrun was something I agree with as well and he found the same post of Amrun’s (the one about tone) townish as I did. His response to Toomai also sounds townish. It was a similar reaction to what I had. I also like his response to ffery in 81. Some of his arguments about lngrrR are persuasive as well. I think CDB’s scumread on lngrrR came from a very town place.


3) MSG – I can see oriole’s 135 coming from a town mindset and I agree with most of his reads as well.


4) LnGrrrR – I had a scumread on lngrr when I initially skimmed the day thread but upon a re-read, I found some of his points very townish. I see 55 and 57 having a town motivation because he is trying to figure out CDB’s alignment and Amrun’s. By themselves, they are null but his follow up to the “synchronity” argument by saying he doesn’t know what it means rings townish. It feels like town who have no idea why they are getting so many votes all of a sudden and are trying to figure out which of the voters are scum. The confusion is more indicative of town who doesn’t know anyone’s alignment. His response in 65 when questioned by Fegelein also shows a town thought process behind him calling the 3 players weird. However, his later response worries me. 89 isn’t very inquisitive and he puts much more effort into defending himself than scumhunting. I’ll have to check his meta to see if he is tonally different as scum than town. He also doesn’t seem to find it fair that he is accused over Squilly although he feels that Squilly should be FOSsed more because the reasoning behind his FOS is weak. That is more likely to come from scum who are annoyed at being caught although they feel that they have done nothing wrong. 97 is bad as well. He is minimizing “passive voice” to “grammar tell” as well as continuing tunneling on Squilly while his vote remained there instead of his reads changing as more discussion happened. His initial reason for voting Squilly was quite poor and he is trying to compare himself with Squilly and none of the reads adapted as he interacted with people who were FOSsing him hard.
5) JasonWazza
6) Marquis
7) RachMarie
8) Syryana

The last 4 players haven't posted enough content that could be alignment indicative.


9) fferyllt – I had ffery as sure scum until 120 which is townish although I don’t like that she doesn’t actually take a stance on the wagon despite reading meta on LngrrrR. It wouldn’t be impossible to do a meta-read as scum though. I am more worried about the lack of stances and low activity level.


10) Toomai – The first thing he does is place a vote on JasonWazza after doing a post by post analysis and says to provide something real. I am leaning scum on this because he doesn’t take part in the ongoing discussion between Amrun, Fegelein, and LngrrrR but stays away from it. The vote on Jason strikes me as lazy and the post by post analysis is overjustification for it. I don’t like his 124 either. I don’t see how reading through meta to verify LngrrrR’s posts is “nothing but a distraction.”
11) Penguin_alien – Dislike Penguin’s 132 where she states generally available information that most people agree on. Fluff.
12) StubbsKVM – 144 is bad where he has Jason and Squilly as scum. I don’t see the rationale there. Jason has been refusing to explain his reads and Squilly has been inactive. These reads are lazy.

Also,

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Stubbs

Not sure I'll be able to post in this thread again before deadline, so voting my strongest scum read.

VOTE: Stubbs

I feel like I'm in the fucking Twilight Zone. WHY ARE WE LYNCHING THE

In post 439, Nexus wrote:Votecount 1.10:

Marquis (3)- RachMarie, StubbsKVM, Toomai,
LnGrrrR (2)- Amrun, ChannelDelibird,
JasonWazza (2)- F16_Fighting_Falcon, Marquis
Amrun (1)- JasonWazza
StubbsKVM (1)- MSG
MSG (1)- Syryana

Not Voting (3)- penguin_alien, fferyllt, LnGrrrR,

Day 1 will end at 6pm BST on Sunday 8th September 2013. 11 hours.

We've got about 6.5 hours till deadline. I won't be back before that happens, so I'm putting my vote in the most palatable place.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Marquis

We are not lynching a claimed JOAT on Day 1.

UNVOTE: LnGrrrR
VOTE: Marquis

LnGrrrR's claim makes a lot more sense if the Basilisk is a mafia member rather than an SK, probably with some kind of incentive to have the Basilisk perform the factional kill whenever possible.

VOTE: Marquis

Best wagon for now. I will try to stick around to change the vote if need be.

@CDB, do you understand now why I wanted both of us to claim quickly? If we had waited until we got to L-1, we would have even less time to debate.

That should be L-1 by the way. Marquis, claim quick, and if you are a VT, throw out any good reads you have.

Yeah, it's fine, you're probably town, apologies.

Ginny Weasley, a Hogwarts-aligned Townie and a Gryffindor who wants to eliminate any known threats to Hogwarts. I'm also one out of only two characters who fit the "lovers" flavor in the first post, though I'm fairly sure Harry and I aren't lovers in the mafia sense.

Like I said, I also have a huge town read on Lngrrrr for the claim. Everything about it makes sense, especially his delivery.

I don't know what to think of CDB except slight scum.

I am very confident that Jason is scum. Why?

-I don't think there are 2 town JOATs in the game.
-People seemed to be ignoring him for the past few days which isn't exactly a scum tell but I dislike that certain people are pushing the idea of him as scum to the side so easily.
-His weak powers when compared to Stubbs' claimed powers make sense when you add in access to a factional nightkill.
-Finally, 3/4 claims we have today are all Gryffindor house. Yes, the word is "Hogwarts-aligned", but being the odd one out and a second JOAT doesn't help Jason's claim much.
-p.s. Colin, Nearly Headless Nick, and Ginny all encountered and were (near) victims of the Basilisk. Not Filch. It makes sense that Filch is working against Harry Potter in the 2nd book, despite his overall actions toward the end of the series.

1 and a half hours left today. I'm getting lynched. Sorry that my activity kind of sucked, but please follow up on this