Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:22 pm
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I misread your statement then.In post 422, CrisP wrote:Once again (really?), low hanging fruits can definitely be scum, I just don't like that you brought this up, because from my POV you have a possible ulterior motive to do so, this motive being to deflect from you being mafia or you being mafia with GM.
In post 422, CrisP wrote:I already answered this, plus I never stated anywhere that VT's should lie about their role, I don't know where you and BW inferred that, see my answer to BW for the rest.
We usually don't lynch people without claims and I'm trying to explain to you why her claim wasn't bad because she was expected to claim her role in the first place. You keep saying claiming VT was bad, and it's not because that was her role.In post 422, CrisP wrote:I agree, that's why claiming VT is extra bad, not only do you help mafia but the moment you claim VT you will be lynched for sure. What I said, for the n-th time, is that it makes no sense whatsoever to claim VT
He's completely shredded the townread I've had on him before. But there's still the possibility of him just being newbtown. Hard to determine.In post 420, goodmorning wrote:@Brian: I really would like to know what you think of CrisP.
I gave you a logical undisputable argument on why her claim was bad, if you don't understand, the problem is on your side.We usually don't lynch people without claims and I'm trying to explain to you why her claim wasn't bad because she was expected to claim her role in the first place.
Know what, kid? I'm done playing the SE. Think what you want you arrogant little prick.In post 430, CrisP wrote:I gave you a logical undisputable argument on why her claim was bad, if you don't understand, the problem is on your side.
I already expressed the same sentiment with regards to you in a more civil manner.Crisp - Go and fuck yourself.
Aggressive playing is not mafia, looking for information is not mafia (which is not equal to seeking lynch targets), there are so many reasons I can't be mafia in this game your statement is just funny. Just to name one, if you are indeed town, I'm not hammering you idiot, when I have had a perfect excuse to do so for the last 2 days, were I mafia.This guy has to be the scum, His aggressive playing and dodging and seeking for lynch targets is not town motive.
There is no way you are getting me lynched, if you are fucking town, like you told goodmorning, stop this, post valid reads or I will have you lynched in the near future.Now help me to lynch this Crisp nonsense shit.
Sure, that's why I am voting Goodmorning at the moment, that's also why I went after JM day one, are you serious? Do you even know who is voting you at the moment?All you would see an opportunist who ended up targeting someone who has hardly been here..
It makes you scum friendly or scummy.I agree that its not fair for not been here but that doesn't make one scummy.
meta reference on you? Quote please.His meta reference on me is BULL SHIT.
I like how you assume Goodmorning has your best interest at heart, for all you know she is mafia this game.Goodmorning knows my play.
No, I'm telling you that there was nothing wrong with her claim because it was HER ACTUAL [freaking] ROLE! TOWN DOESN'T HAVE A REASON TO LIE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SET-UP! (Note: there are actually some scenarios where it is beneficial to lie, but that situation has not applied in this game)In post 432, CrisP wrote:What you are saying is, since everybody claims VT, that must be the right thing to do, regardless of how flawed it is.
So you are not even playing for your win condition if you are town, seriously how bad can someone be at this game, if anything you deserve it based on how you are playing, but since I want to win I'll state that if you are town I don't want to have you lynched.i still want you dead becuz of your attitude.
It should prove to you I am not mafia if you are town. If you die as town you realize you fucked up yes? Or don't you even understand that?I dont know what you trying to prove by saying that you would have hammered me if you wanted it.. but it wont change anything for me. I will still be town, maybe a dead town. So big deal.. if that's what you're trying achieve.
Obviously this is bullshit, you initiated it by lurking the whole time, I wasn't even the first to call you out on it today, that came from jmo16mla and Yui113 first, but I totally agree with them so no problem if you say it was me who started it.Obviously Crisp initiated it and gave a royal way for scum to walk in there..
OH MY FUCKING GOD. Again, since you seem to have problems understanding what I am saying:No, I'm telling you that there was nothing wrong with her claim because it was HER ACTUAL [freaking] ROLE! TOWN DOESN'T HAVE A REASON TO LIE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SET-UP! (Note: there are actually some scenarios where it is beneficial to lie, but that situation has not applied in this game)
I did no such thing, other people put me in their town list, so I tried to use this to give the rest of you as much information as possible, the only way to do this is to lead.You put on this facade that you're obvtown and that you run this town.
This may be true for you, it certainly is not for me: Easy examples that come to mind:You seem to be more interested in painting players as scum instead of actually finding their motivations.
You assign motivations to things that shouldn't be assigned these motivations.
I don't assign motivations, I try to build scenarios. I told you repeatedly that that's how I try to scumhunt, at least from your POV this may be a valid reason as opposed to the rubbish you wrote before this but here we are just using different playstyles, maybe yours is better in forum mafia, I can only use what I know and this has worked fine for me up to now.You set up associative tells and look like you're chaining lynches.
It's the difference between claiming and not claiming. She was expected to claim. Period. Why you can't grasp this is beyond me.In post 444, CrisP wrote:I NEVER SAID SHE SHOULD HAVE LIED ABOUT HER ROLE, I SAID SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE CLAIMED VT BECAUSE THERE IS NO VALID REASON TO CLAIM VT IN THIS SETUP. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOT CLAIMING AND LYING ABOUT YOUR CLAIM?
Thoughts on the other players?In post 443, ArcAngel9 wrote:Brain... I may agree with you on JMO because this much i can confirm that there is 100% scum in my wagon or at least 50% scum.
I dispute that but honestly, if you want to think I started the wagon on you I don't mind, given that you are finally talking the rest of town that understands how this game is played should give me brownie points for it then, although I don't really deserve them more than Yui113 or JM.You have no logic to call me scum and hell yes.. you initiated all that crappy wagon.
Look at how you are stating it, period. That just shows how closed you are mentally. If she was expected to claim, then go back, read my logical argument of why claiming VT is bad and find a hole in it. If you don't, start asking yourself if always claiming VT is really the best play.It's the difference between claiming and not claiming. She was expected to claim. Period. Why you can't grasp this is beyond me.
Let me try to IC this to bed:In post 432, CrisP wrote:Again, while I present to you a logical argument to why you are full of crap on the VT claim, look at your reaction.
What you are saying is, since everybody claims VT, that must be the right thing to do, regardless of how flawed it is.
This sentence basically says this: look at all the Town things I'm doing! There's no way anyone who acts Town can be Scum!In post 436, CrisP wrote:Aggressive playing is not mafia, looking for information is not mafia (which is not equal to seeking lynch targets), there are so many reasons I can't be mafia in this game your statement is just funny.
It was a D1 read. Now that he's started posting more, it's both.In post 448, CrisP wrote:GM is your townread of Brian more of a day1 or of a day2 read?