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At this point Esp is just fucking around and nope, I'm not letting it go.

I'm being upfront about it as much as the dark parts want to just go and be free but I'm tired of it.

If Esp is town, he won't be doing anything bad at night.
If Esp is scum, he won't be contributing much to the scum team since he's so useless.
It's clear that Nat is a much stronger player, thus a better target for this lynch.
Get what I'm saying dawg?

Are you a lyncher, TIP? Am I going to have to claim today? Is the sky blue?

No I'm not a lyncher.
No don't claim. We know you're scum regardless.
The sky is as blue as your heart is black.

In post 426, TheIrishPope wrote:If Esp is town, he won't be doing anything bad at night.
If Esp is scum, he won't be contributing much to the scum team since he's so useless.
It's clear that Nat is a much stronger player, thus a better target for this lynch.
Get what I'm saying dawg?

If Esp is town, it still has to be dealt with and it will happen when we dont have the luxury to let it.
If Esp is scum, he is still a body and could damn well be sweet sweet candy.

More important if esp is scum, unless you think this is the dumbest bus ever, I might have enough cred to actually start to forge the iron-hot spear of hate and death to purge this game. I'm not the best at finding scum, but I'm pretty damn good at finding town. And, I'd have to be dealt with at that point.

It takes a lot of stones to say stronger and clear and scum for Nat all together when he's a fat ball of nothing that will have to be dealt with and has people hopping all over him.

So, its not dicin out today.

There's three votes on you, Natirasha. Why even talk about claiming?

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VOTE COUNT 1:10

Shadoweh

- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV

Natirasha

- 4 - ActionDan, shos, TheIrishPope, Espeonage

TheIrishPope

- 2 - Aegor, Natirasha

Espeonage

- 3 - SpyreX, Shadoweh, sirdanilot

sirdanilot

- 1 - Albert B. Rampage

JacobSavage

- 2 - Tierce, Elscouta

MafiaSSK

- 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber

Not voting (2)

: JacobSavage, MafiaSSK

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

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Fine.
VOTE: Espeonage

In post 425, SpyreX wrote:At this point Esp is just fucking around and nope, I'm not letting it go.

I'm being upfront about it as much as the dark parts want to just go and be free but I'm tired of it.

You're really making me want to be a contributing member of the town. Like, I'm so motivated every time I see another of your posts.

why the hell is nati still alive guys. seriously. ISO her. it sucks donkey balls, that ISO. THREE donkey balls.

In post 434, shos wrote:why the hell is nati still alive guys. seriously. ISO her. it sucks donkey balls, that ISO. THREE donkey balls.

MafiaSSK, Esp, JacobSavage and Nat all have beyond terrible ISOs. Of these four, only JacobSavage has said something that is actually scummy (aka more likely to be scum than town) and not just useless, and Nat meta shows that this is her usual posting style.

So a quick roadmap for people that don't know who to vote:

Lynching uselessplayer (could be town or scum) : Vote Esp, Nat or MafiaSSK
Lynching uselessplayer (likely to be scum) : Vote JacobSavage
Lynching an active scum : Vote sirdanilot

I can never keep up with these large games, I hunker down and wait until the player list slims down and then start working on the scum.

That's why "uselessplayer" isn't much of a concern to me. Sirdanilot is scum though.

In post 406, ActionDan wrote:I like Eol. Tierce is not yet town

who might eol be?

ABR: Vote esp. That's a golden vote. You have your reads ass backwards

Esp is a bad, bad lynch. VOTE: Natirasha.

Esp, I'm just guessing but I don't think Spyrex cares if you contribute. If you're town just do it anyways?
Smugness and lack of care, for example, is a really bad reason to vote someone and makes you look like the one who doesn't care.

Els, what did Jacob say that was scummy? I mean, as opposed to just weird, compared to everyone else on that list.
ABR: I kind of feel exactly like that, but you're going to need something better then sirdan is scum to get him close to lynched at this point.

In post 440, Shadoweh wrote:Els, what did Jacob say that was scummy? I mean, as opposed to just weird, compared to everyone else on that list.

He provided a "list of reads" and when asked about why he thought chamber was town, refered to a post after the list was made (implying the list was made up and that he actually didn't think about reasoning). When pressed to explain, he said that the original reason of the read was "posts looked genuine", which doesn't convince me either: in a game that had already picked up a decent amount of steam, if he only has two reads, I expect these to be based on factual/loudly spoken reasonings, not based on a very weak reason, on someone that has never been really in the light.

And add ABR on my list of "useless (could be town or scum)". For some reason I forgot about him.

I got the impression it was made up to be annoying in the first place, but I agree that it was pretty terrible. That's better reasoning then I expected actually. And it's easy to forget about people when they aren't posting. :V

In post 441, Elscouta wrote:

In post 440, Shadoweh wrote:Els, what did Jacob say that was scummy? I mean, as opposed to just weird, compared to everyone else on that list.

He provided a "list of reads" and when asked about why he thought chamber was town, refered to a post after the list was made (implying the list was made up and that he actually didn't think about reasoning). When pressed to explain, he said that the original reason of the read was "posts looked genuine", which doesn't convince me either: in a game that had already picked up a decent amount of steam, if he only has two reads, I expect these to be based on factual/loudly spoken reasonings, not based on a very weak reason, on someone that has never been really in the light.

And add ABR on my list of "useless (could be town or scum)". For some reason I forgot about him.

I've seen town do this so often. Scum can do it easier, but its not exclusively a scumtell, its a 'I'm not really paying attention to this game' tell, town can be guilty of that too.

In post 442, Shadoweh wrote:I got the impression it was made up to be annoying in the first place, but I agree that it was pretty terrible. That's better reasoning then I expected actually. And it's easy to forget about people when they aren't posting. :V

Why is it better than expected when he almost literally c/p'd Tierce's reasons?

I didn't actually read Tierce's reasoning. It's similar but Els explains it differently. I think it's more likely they both came to the same conclusion for different reasons? Do you think there's a problem with what he posted, or is this just you trying to look like you have an actual reason for voting me instead of admitting you're wrong?

ABR is not going to explain his vote on me. ABR-scum is not going to incriminate himsef by providing an explanation with his vote. He's just not gonna go there. ABR town could provide an explanation, but he could also just wait and see who is getting lynched. I don't think he would even care if I or tip did not get lynched today, he would just keep badgering on and on, or move to actually scummy targets rather than these extremely crappy reads. Also, ABR town wants to keep up his ABR scum meta.

I think we can only read ABR if we have knowledge of bandwagons and flips. From my perspective, I think ABR may very well be scum because his reads are absolute crap. I would not expect such crappy reads from ABR town.

In post 441, Elscouta wrote:He provided a "list of reads" and when asked about why he thought chamber was town, refered to a post after the list was made (implying the list was made up and that he actually didn't think about reasoning). When pressed to explain, he said that the original reason of the read was "posts looked genuine", which doesn't convince me either: in a game that had already picked up a decent amount of steam, if he only has two reads, I expect these to be based on factual/loudly spoken reasonings, not based on a very weak reason, on someone that has never been really in the light.

Chamber is notably good at looking town though. And he even had a concrete reference that wasn't based solely on chamber's iso (and thus unlikely to have been made up in response to the situation).

In post 445, Shadoweh wrote:I didn't actually read Tierce's reasoning. It's similar but Els explains it differently. I think it's more likely they both came to the same conclusion for different reasons? Do you think there's a problem with what he posted, or is this just you trying to look like you have an actual reason for voting me instead of admitting you're wrong?

Uh. I never claimed it was my case, I'm not hiding that i'm sheeping Tierce on this one.

chamber wrote:I've seen town do this so often. Scum can do it easier, but its not exclusively a scumtell, its a 'I'm not really paying attention to this game' tell, town can be guilty of that too.

Many scumtells are also done as town. Mafia would be a sad game otherwise That "scum can do it easier" is good enough for me in a day1 wagon (and much better than VT claiming / being useless, which is done indistinctively by town and scum). Also I think you downplay the tell a bit. "Reading someone has town, then giving a reason that could not be the reason for the read in a very short timeframe" is a bit more that "not paying attention to the game".