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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:00 am

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With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. Prodding Bertrand.
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:57 am

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Alko? I'd really like it if you'd explain your role more specifiacally than vanilla townie. Anything odd in it?
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:06 pm

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lemme check my PM...

well, I'm assuming you investigated me (I'm hoping I'm wrong because there were better options), but reading my role PM, there doesn't seem to be anything odd in it at all on the surface.

There's the fact that I'm vanilla, and minor flavor which as I remember I can't mention.

If anything, it might be hinting that sanity could affect my voting, so maybe I somehow had an effect towards that mystery vote day 1.

There's really nothing else to elaborate on.
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:17 pm

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Hmm.. that day we lynched PBuG, I ended the day not voting anybody, but there was a mystery vote on PBuG, he was also the last person I had voted. It's very possible, and I'm thinking very likely that that person was me. I might want to check other nights to see if I had a vote or not at the end of the night, but that would be a good indicator of a sanity issue.

I'll wait for Bert to post any results before going too in depth.
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:31 pm

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w00t! Triple post

Ok, the first day ended with me not voting, but there was a ??? vote on Maz, and Maz was the last one I was voting.

Same scenario Day 2 with PBuG.

Third day I did have my vote left on at the end of the day, so whoever I voted for last seems to get my vote if I am not currently voting anybody.
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:02 pm

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That's fun. Cause you're paranoid.
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:03 pm

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ahh.. interesting. I figured either paranoid or insane. Paranoid fits in best, insane would probably take a vote away from who I'm voting for or something weird like that.

But why did you investigate me? What do we have to gain from knowing a vanilla townies sanity vs. the sanity of a cop or a vig or somebody
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I mean, if you're suspicious of me, that's one thing, but knowing my sanity has nothing to do with alignment apparently, and if you'd have checked the cop, we would know not only if we had a sane cop or not, but be more likely to know my alignment should he be sane.
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:25 am

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I'm extremely suspicious of bertrand for investigating a vanilla townie. Knowing that he is paranoid doesn't actually tell you anything about alko's role, without deducing it (which alko was able to do anyway). I'm really surprised that bertrand didn't invstigate Scalebane, as that would have been the most helpful. Why alko, bertrand?

At this point, I think there's a good chance of bertrand being a mafia psych. Not ready to vote yet, but he's probably at the top of my suspicions.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:07 am

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I checked alko because I didn't believe him when he said he was vanilla. And I still don't quite get it..

Now that he comes up paranoid it confirms my suspicions.. but he claims to be a paranoid vanilla townie now... which I guess makes sense if you look at day 1's lynch.. and the fact that I can't imagine what else could have caused that.
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:34 am

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bertrand wrote:I checked alko because I didn't believe him when he said he was vanilla. And I still don't quite get it..

Now that he comes up paranoid it confirms my suspicions.. but he claims to be a paranoid vanilla townie now... which I guess makes sense if you look at day 1's lynch.. and the fact that I can't imagine what else could have caused that.
How would checking him a vanilla townie prove anything? How would your night action be useful at all?
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:47 pm

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I don't understand how a vanilla townie could have a sanity. I've been saying that since day 2 now. So I checked, and oddly enough he had one...
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:04 pm

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The Mod wrote:All roles have a sanity in this game. The four traditional sanities are: Sane; Insane; Paranoid; Naive. All roles have been assigned one of these sanities.
He is paranoid vanilla townie. You really should actually have some idea what your abilty does. It was mod-confirmed in the second post that a vanilla townie could have a sanity, so why did you assume this? Did you expect him to know his sanity in order to not claim vanilla? Well we don't know sanities, making this an odd this to assume, surely?
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:38 pm

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bertrand, that really doesn't justify the investigation of a vanilla at this point in the game. It seems like you were being closed-minded on the possibility of a vanilla with an altered sanity. The investigation doesn't in any way "prove" that alko isn't vanilla. To the contrary, it helps explain the mystery voting (coupled with alko's deduction), given that the only thing a vanilla townie can do is vote.

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vote: bertrand
. Not finding out Scalebane's sanity was just a poor move, IMO. It could have either helped to partially clear him if he came up sane or naive (alko too if sane), or caught him in a lie as scum if he came up paranoid or insane.
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:00 pm

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Primate wrote:How would checking him a vanilla townie prove anything? How would your night action be useful at all?
QFT, I think that was just a big waste. Sanity doesn't = alignment, so... yeah...

And the doubt on a vanilla townie possibly being anything other than sane is as poor of an excuse as saying the same for anybody other than a cop. You can make it however you choose, just because we won't know how it works, doesn't mean it exists.

But I think this confirms Bert as the psych though.


I agree fully that Bert's play was absolutely horrible, but I don't think it makes him scum. I'm not happy with the results at all, but I'd rather lynch scum right now.
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:49 pm

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Sorry about that, I wanted to find out about alko. Anyways, why Scalebane?
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:21 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:But I think this confirms Bert as the psych though.

I agree fully that Bert's play was absolutely horrible, but I don't think it makes him scum. I'm not happy with the results at all, but I'd rather lynch scum right now.
It doesn't confirm bertrand as THE psych, it confirms him as A psych. We already know Thok was a psych. And never did I question bertrand's role. I've been saying ever since the psych claims first came out that psych would be nearly impossible to fake.

But since when does role=alignment? I think it's definitely possible for there to be a mafia psych, as that information can definitely be useful for the scum as well as the town. I think the best explanation for such a poor investigation is simply that he's scum. A sanity check on the claimed cop would have been very helpful to the town, and I really can't see why this wasn't an obvious choice.

bertrand--Scalebane is a claimed cop of unknown sanity. Don't you think it would be good to have a better idea about his results? Or even catch him in a lie if he's scum?

alko, who do you think is scum then, if not bertrand?
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:19 am

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My opinion is that bertrand is scum. A scum psychologist, but scum none-the-less.
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:47 pm

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Yes, to be specific (I'm always loose with my words), he is A psych, not THE psych. And I'm leaning towards him being town, but not 100% convinced.

I'm actually leaning towards doc being our scum here.

Oh and Bert, why scalebane? Because he's a cop. There's a big difference between a sane cop, and a naive cop.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:00 am

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al_kohaulec wrote:Yes, to be specific (I'm always loose with my words), he is A psych, not THE psych. And I'm leaning towards him being town, but not 100% convinced.

I'm actually leaning towards doc being our scum here.

Oh and Bert, why scalebane? Because he's a cop. There's a big difference between a sane cop, and a naive cop.
Funny you should mention doc.

I've pretty much though he was town since that incident in which he said mole forgot to send in a result, something I couldn't really have seen him saying as any non-cop role. I guess I never really thought about him being a mafia invesatigatory role, and TBH, I really should of when Lumos came up dirty. I mean, I never saw anything scummy from the guy first time round though, so a reread would simply be for my own peace of mind. Guess that's another thing I need to get round to. *sigh*

One thing that's turning me off Bertrand a little is PBuG's last actions before being lynched. Would someone who is being bandwagonned alongside one of his scumbuddies really then ask his other scumbuddy to effectively vouch for him being town?
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:52 am

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I figured the cop (I forgot who it was) would be dead by morning..
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:57 am

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a sane psych is more useful than a naive cop. Just sayin.

And yes I do see what you're implying there.

Of course the other cop's sanity we don't know yet for sure. But if we do have two cops, do you think they'd both be naive?
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:54 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:a sane psych is more useful than a naive cop. Just sayin.
And you'd learn more about colors after my lynch, being confirmed as pro-town and naive. So it would be informational, but it would be better if we lynched scum.
al_kohaulec wrote:Of course the other cop's sanity we don't know yet for sure. But if we do have two cops, do you think they'd both be naive?
I don't see why there couldn't be too cops of the same sanity.
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:55 pm

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Haha, TWO cops of the same sanity. I know my third grade grammar, I swear...
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:16 pm

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Trust this to be the only game where no relevant posts are wiped. Hopefully we'll get a deadline extension.

I've been thinking.

I'm not really in a lucid enough state to post my thoughts presently, but I'll do it first thing tomorrow.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:33 am

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Vote Count


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- 4 (al_kohaulec, bertrand, Primate, Scalebane)


With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. Will prod people who haven't posted post-crash by tomorrow. Any votes that have been wiped will need to be re-cast. Deadline extended by one week.
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