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Is your framer ability compulsive?

to be fair I have skimmed a bit

and you do tend to see red when people scumread you >_>

In post 404, Tim Howard wrote:Zdenek - I didn't talk to Nexus about this read, but I think I can agree / explain better. Zdenek is trying too hard to be The Best Townie, and not succeeding at being townish. Feels scummy.

You think Nexus think that I am trying to be The Best Townie by posting one liners?
Because I think that's crazy.

In post 405, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 363, Zdenek wrote:

In post 360, xRECKONERx wrote:mmmmm yes tell me more about why my laziness means I am scum

Poor Reck, caught for the wrong reasons.

your a idiot

and you're scum.

In post 409, xRECKONERx wrote:They just have a really big persecution complex but experience dictates that a persecution complex does not make someone mafia.

What are thinking of?

In post 416, Untrod Tripod wrote:his votes have been well explained

Not really.

UT is still maybe scum, I mean that thing with Venmar still isn't great, but not as bad as I thought, and that defense of me is unbelievable.

On the other hand, I also think that a lot of players would be able to discern why I am voting people.

In post 423, xRECKONERx wrote:Jesus Christ yeah, I just saw where UT called Zdenek's votes "well explained". Are you even reading this game?

I feel slimy jumping off of the wagon because it feels very much like quadz could be scum and just happen to be right as well but I feel slimier being on this wagon with Nobody Special and Untrod "Talk Out Of My Ass" Tripod and Shadoweh.

VOTE: Zdenek

Wow, I was right about Reck. I mean he's voting me for things completely unrelated to me. Unless he thinks I'm scum for suggesting that he's scum caught for the wrong reasons, in which case, LOL at Reck.

In post 425, xRECKONERx wrote:

@ZDENEK:

Is your framer ability compulsive?

Nope.

Plum is V/LA.[/area]

In post 427, Zdenek wrote:Nope.

Okay, more comfortable with my vote on you, then.

Why would a ever use his ability if it isn't compulsive? The only way a works is if it's negative utility, and it's only negative utility if it's compulsive. Not believing the claim.

In post 427, Zdenek wrote:Wow, I was right about Reck. I mean he's voting me for things completely unrelated to me. Unless he thinks I'm scum for suggesting that he's scum caught for the wrong reasons, in which case, LOL at Reck.

"I was right about Reck" -- in response to my vote on you? So are you saying me voting you lends credence to your reasons for finding me scummy? What exactly were you "right" about... that I was scum caught for the wrong reasons? What "reasons"? Do you mean NS just saying I need to die with no actual reasons whatsoever? Because that's pretty contradictory. How was I "caught"? From the ONE (1) vote on me?

In post 429, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 427, Zdenek wrote:Nope.

Okay, more comfortable with my vote on you, then.

Why would a

town framer

ever use his ability if it isn't compulsive? The only way a

town framer

works is if it's negative utility, and it's only negative utility if it's compulsive. Not believing the claim.

If you are town, you should probably go read the opening posts.

In post 430, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 427, Zdenek wrote:Wow, I was right about Reck. I mean he's voting me for things completely unrelated to me. Unless he thinks I'm scum for suggesting that he's scum caught for the wrong reasons, in which case, LOL at Reck.

"I was right about Reck" -- in response to my vote on you? So are you saying me voting you lends credence to your reasons for finding me scummy? What exactly were you "right" about... that I was scum caught for the wrong reasons? What "reasons"? Do you mean NS just saying I need to die with no actual reasons whatsoever? Because that's pretty contradictory. How was I "caught"? From the ONE (1) vote on me?

I am saying that I was right about you being scum caught for the wrong reasons.
It not you voting me that lends credence to me finding you scummy - it's that you voted me for reasons that either have nothing to do with me or nothing to do with my alignment.

In post 431, Zdenek wrote:If you are town, you should probably go read the opening posts.

"Alignments were randomized" means independent of flavor not independent of roles. Like, that's WHY THEY TOOK SO LONG to start the game after the signups were done, because they were DESIGNING THE SETUP. They didn't go "Oh here's a framer" then go "WHOOPS THE FRAMER IS TOWN".

In post 432, Zdenek wrote:

In post 430, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 427, Zdenek wrote:Wow, I was right about Reck. I mean he's voting me for things completely unrelated to me. Unless he thinks I'm scum for suggesting that he's scum caught for the wrong reasons, in which case, LOL at Reck.

"I was right about Reck" -- in response to my vote on you? So are you saying me voting you lends credence to your reasons for finding me scummy? What exactly were you "right" about... that I was scum caught for the wrong reasons? What "reasons"? Do you mean NS just saying I need to die with no actual reasons whatsoever? Because that's pretty contradictory. How was I "caught"? From the ONE (1) vote on me?

I am saying that I was right about you being scum caught for the wrong reasons.
It not you voting me that lends credence to me finding you scummy - it's that you voted me for reasons that either have nothing to do with me or nothing to do with my alignment.

Again... I guess I'll repeat...

In post 433, xRECKONERx wrote:They didn't go "Oh here's a framer" then go "WHOOPS THE FRAMER IS TOWN".

Indeed they did.

In post 434, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 432, Zdenek wrote:

In post 430, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 427, Zdenek wrote:Wow, I was right about Reck. I mean he's voting me for things completely unrelated to me. Unless he thinks I'm scum for suggesting that he's scum caught for the wrong reasons, in which case, LOL at Reck.

"I was right about Reck" -- in response to my vote on you? So are you saying me voting you lends credence to your reasons for finding me scummy? What exactly were you "right" about... that I was scum caught for the wrong reasons? What "reasons"? Do you mean NS just saying I need to die with no actual reasons whatsoever? Because that's pretty contradictory. How was I "caught"? From the ONE (1) vote on me?

I am saying that I was right about you being scum caught for the wrong reasons.
It not you voting me that lends credence to me finding you scummy - it's that you voted me for reasons that either have nothing to do with me or nothing to do with my alignment.

Again... I guess I'll repeat...

I was scum caught for the wrong reasons? What "reasons"? Do you mean NS just saying I need to die with no actual reasons whatsoever? Because that's pretty contradictory. How was I "caught"? From the ONE (1) vote on me?

No, your response is typical scum caught for the wrong reasons - you say laziness doesn't mean that I'm scum, as though there is something else that could.

In post 1, Lost Butterfly wrote:Roles were tentatively assigned out before alignments were randomised. Changes may have been made afterwards/

Reck just chose to ignore this.

That's a bunch of noncommittal wishywashy bullshit from the mods so people don't try to outguess the setup.

If we're going to assume both statements are true, why the FUCK would they leave a town non-compulsive framer in the setup?

Because Faraday.

Can we stop with the D1 setup spec please it is entirely useless and accomplishes literally nothing

It's not just setup speculation.

If he was a compulsive town framer, I could understand the immediate claim.

He's not compulsive, though, so instead of casting suspicion on himself and causing chaos, he could've just shut the fuck up and not claimed and not used his ability.

In post 48, Zdenek wrote:

I know that scum don't have a framer because I'm a framer.

Thought you all should know too.

Nobody had mentioned framing.

Nobody had probably even thought about framing because it's such a weird role.

Why waste time claiming it and stirring the pot? You're not compulsive, just DON'T USE THE ABILITY and shut up about it.

Didn't i read in the early asoiaf game that faraday had a scum miller in an earlier uPick? Wasn't that part of why Thor got lynched day 1?

I just don't see a pro-town motivation behind his actions if he is, in fact, a non-compulsive framer.

I see scum motivation in claiming a negative utility role on D1 for town points, though.

I didn't think anyone would actually care all that much.

The pro-town reasoning is simple. It let's town know that scum doesn't framer it also let's them know that sort of role could have been in the game.

It lets town know that scum don't have a rare/obscure role that nobody would probably expect them to have anyway?

It's not like you went, "No wait, there's no framer!" in response to someone claiming results or something. You just claimed it unprovoked Day 1.

Yep

Zdenek doesn't die today, but he does die before lylo.

I mean, I have a lot of experience with milking early claims for all they're worth (see: Mafia behind the Maiden, Scummies Invitational), so it''s definitely POSSIBLE, but not what we want to do today.

For reference, Zdenek was in both of those games.

Reck - Fair 'nuff.

In post 423, xRECKONERx wrote:Jesus Christ yeah, I just saw where UT called Zdenek's votes "well explained". Are you even reading this game?

I feel slimy jumping off of the wagon because it feels very much like quadz could be scum and just happen to be right as well but I feel slimier being on this wagon with Nobody Special and Untrod "Talk Out Of My Ass" Tripod and Shadoweh.

VOTE: Zdenek

I (and presumably the other puppyhalf who has more experience with Zdenek) don't really think Z is scum. Assuming for a moment that Tim Howard is Town based on ChannelDelibird insisting he's not pulling his read out of his arse, would you be interested in compromising onto Untrod Tripod?