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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:13 am

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Unvote UA


Vote JaC


What can I say? I want to live and I think UA and JaC are scum (or one of them anyway) And this is a better vote for now obv.
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:08 am

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The All Important Vote Count!


Bussy
- 2 - Just_a_Cleric, UltimaAvalon
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- 2 - Dead Rikimaru, Bussy

Not Voting
- 1 - HurriKaty

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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:40 am

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I really don't believe there's more than one mafia member left. You can wave your bastard banner around all you want, but looking at whats been thrown at us so far, like Miller. role obscuring, an SK who apparently didn't know he was an SK, did I mention the whole unknown role thing? Yes, its bastard mod, but role changing and 3 Mafia is way too much.

Now, with one scum, and one SK, who is mad vote hopping now that he's been caught, it just seems more sensible to lynch the scum we know, rather than guess at who between JaC, UA, DR, or HK is the final mafiaso.
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:53 pm

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HurriKaty wrote:I've already given my opinion and said that I would tend to lean more towards Bussy because of her excuses and overall defensiveness, plus the voteback, but I'm open to swaying.

What more would you like me to say?
How many mafiates do you think there are left?
And who do you suspect?

Even if we decide to lynch the SK discussing who is the mafia is more profitable than staying quiet.
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:53 pm

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I believe there is one Mafiaso left, and its between JaC and PK/DR

PK I've been suspecting since he suggested that the Zombie attack him, after claiming a role who's alignment isn't revealed on death. It sounded too much like scum wanting to ensure zombie infestation, but I never got toe look at it too much, as PK starting disappearing due to work or whatever it was, until I plain forgot. I do remember, however, finding PK to be potentially scummy when I did my initial read n the game, and noticed how much everyone was relying on him for role info, since he was the one who created them. Just something else I meant to look deeper into, and never did

JaC is the other candidate, but right now its mostly based on the fact that his is the only one with a role that changes every night. My suspicion on JaC is a little weaker than that of PK, however, as his logic has been rather sound throughout the game, and just gives off a helpful, townie feeling to me.
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:24 pm

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UltimaAvalon wrote: PK I've been suspecting since he suggested that the Zombie attack him, after claiming a role who's alignment isn't revealed on death.
It's the role "Watery Grave". The roles and alignements of people that die in the same night as me (or in the following night after i'm lynched) along with my own are thrown in the watery grave and are not revealed.
This role is from Ravnica Mafia.
I'm basically a townie with a bad power, but that would nullify the zombie's side effect (since my rle is not revealed anyway).
My role is confirmed by BillyTwilight who found a bone covered in stinking rancid flesh. (Since I am, well, a grave) when he burglarized me.
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:53 pm

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Right, but that doesn't mean you're not a zombie, just that you wont be revealed as such. At any rate, it was just something I thought was odd, considering, at the time, PK and Zindie were at each other's throats and had been all game, and thought, "Gee, with a role like that, it would suck if he's scum," then lo and behold, he suggested he should be the zombie target. But I never really delved into it, and forgot about it until recently
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:20 pm

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I stand firm in my believe that UA is our final mafiate.
We already had an unlicensed doctor (a normal doc that came up scum in investigations) and with a boat rocker (a semi-doc that can neutralize a kill) also in the mix...

I don't know, but 2 docs in this small of a game doesn't sound right to me.
And there's the fact he's been following quietly along the game and voting Bussy as soon as possible this day.

And my reasoning to lynching the SK above the mafiate is history.
SK in PK's games always had some sort of extra role to ensure their survival until the end. Be it unkillable by mafia, one-time unkillable, you name it.
Since there has happened nothing with Bussy (and the people she replaced), I think there's a bigger chance she has something else and is therefore more dangerous.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:15 pm

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Dead Rikimaru wrote:
HurriKaty wrote:I've already given my opinion and said that I would tend to lean more towards Bussy because of her excuses and overall defensiveness, plus the voteback, but I'm open to swaying.

What more would you like me to say?
How many mafiates do you think there are left?
And who do you suspect?

Even if we decide to lynch the SK discussing who is the mafia is more profitable than staying quiet.
I've already said who I suspect, but as for how many we've got left, I would wager either one or 2. With the zombies, unless someones got really good scumdar and can tell from past posts, its really hard to tell.
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:27 pm

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Well, HurriKaty.
The hammah is in your hands.
I think everyone agrees you are the closest to confirmed townie here.
I still find it hard to believe someone would trade losing the game for an investigation, and that he would use such investigation on someone that was already very probably scum, so JAC is still my top suspect.
I also know this is a game from al_k for MS, not a Pariah game for MTGS. So I can't be so sure there is only one scum left.
Everyone posted their suspicions and cast their votes.
I hope your choice will grant us another day of play.
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:19 am

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Dead Rikimaru wrote:I still find it hard to believe someone would trade losing the game for an investigation, and that he would use such investigation on someone that
was already very probably scum
, so JAC is still my top suspect.
I also know this is a game from al_k for MS, not a Pariah game for MTGS. So I can't be so sure there is only one scum left.
Everyone posted their suspicions and cast their votes.
I hope your choice will grant us another day of play.
One thing that stood out to me that I believe I asked earlier as well:

Why are you sure
with only the info from day 2
that Bussy had to be scum?

Like said earlier, alignments of the past are not exactly as the alignments of the future. All I had at that time was the name claim of Bill Cosby vs the name claim of the Boat Rocker.
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:19 am

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EBWOP:
Day 2 = last day.
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:47 am

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And on another note:
What do you think of UA?
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:03 am

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UltimaAvalon wrote:Right, but that doesn't mean you're not a zombie, just that you wont be revealed as such.
1- Being a Zombie or not is meaningless, since it's no indication of alignement.
Zombies can be either protown or antitown.
2- AS far as I remember HurriKaty used her power to make sure if there were still zombies alive and she found out there aren't any.
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:17 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote: Why are you sure
with only the info from day 2
that Bussy had to be scum?

Like said earlier, alignments of the past are not exactly as the alignments of the future. All I had at that time was the name claim of Bill Cosby vs the name claim of the Boat Rocker.
So I had the exact same amount of info on both players.
Cosby was a serial killer on the previous game. (indication number 1)
You claimed to have sent jello to Zindaras, and he claimed he searched Zindaras for jello and found nothing. If you are telling the truth, it means he is lying (indication number 2).
If information from past games is not enough indication to believe she is the SK why is it enough to make you 100% sure that we have just one mafiate?
If you would sacrifice your win in the game to investigate a person why would you use it on someone you know is lying (therefore you should already know is scum) instead of finding other scum (or clearing someone, what would really help us right now)
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:24 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote:And on another note:
What do you think of UA?
I really think HurriKaty is protown (due to gameplay and role confirmation as cleric)
I really think Bussy is the SK.

If there are two mafiates they can only be you and UA.

If there is only one mafiate it must be you, since I believe you are lying.

The scummy vibes I get from UA just make me more confident there are two mafiates alive.
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:36 am

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Dead Rikimaru wrote:
Just_a_cleric wrote: Why are you sure
with only the info from day 2
that Bussy had to be scum?

Like said earlier, alignments of the past are not exactly as the alignments of the future. All I had at that time was the name claim of Bill Cosby vs the name claim of the Boat Rocker.
So I had the exact same amount of info on both players.
Cosby was a serial killer on the previous game. (indication number 1)
You claimed to have sent jello to Zindaras, and he claimed he searched Zindaras for jello and found nothing. If you are telling the truth, it means he is lying (indication number 2).
You see, and that's where you make your fatal mistake in your analysis on me.

1) Let's look at the first page.
al_kohaulec wrote:Welcome one and all to the Hall of Fame of Pariah's Greatest Bastard Hits! As many of you should know, since you're here, Pariah loves hosting games with bastard roles that shouldn't reasonably be used. We have now brought you to all of these roles to basque in their magnificience and glory once again. The following links are all games Pariah has contributed or solely designed or modded, and from these games will be the possible roles included in this one.
Actualy role mechanics and alignments may be tweaked to protect the guilty and incriminate the innocent as necessary.
So alignments from the past mean nothing.

2) Let's look at the timing of that part. This is the post in question.
Bussy wrote:It was Jello, not pudding. Maybe PK didn't remember it because I called it the wrong thing. I think it's a dialect thing. Jello to me is gelatin stuff, but Bill Cosby was always doing commercials for the pudding. Anywhoo

N1: Whome
N2 Zindaras
N3 Billy Twilight (I figured since JaC said he'd given the Jello to Zindaras somehow and since I couldn't pick Zindaras, maybe Billy the burglar would be my best shot at getting something off a dead body. *shrugs*

I don't think being unable to find the Jello makes me unable to win. I still win when town wins. Possibly I got an instant win if I did find the Jello? My PM is pretty vague about that, i.e. doesn't say at all.

Fake Edit> That sucks that PK is leaving a game about him :(
When was this posted?
At the beginning of this day
.
So in other words
after
I already sent my investigation.

In other words, both your points against me (or at least, these points) are null.

Now on to the rest of your post:
If information from past games is not enough indication to believe she is the SK why is it enough to make you 100% sure that we have just one mafiate?
I also mentioned this earlier.
I only ever played in a 2-1-9 setup. I didn't know it was possible to make a 3-1-8 setup in which it was possible for the town to win.
If you would sacrifice your win in the game to investigate a person why would you use it on someone you know is lying (therefore you should already know is scum) instead of finding other scum (or clearing someone, what would really help us right now)
And this is the same as point #2. I only knew she was lying
after
she gave us our targets. Which was
this day
.

I'm sorry, but your points just don't make sense whatsoever.
If I wasn't convinced Bussy was the SK I'd almost say we'd lynch you.
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:41 am

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Dead Rikimaru wrote:
UltimaAvalon wrote:Right, but that doesn't mean you're not a zombie, just that you wont be revealed as such.
1- Being a Zombie or not is meaningless, since it's no indication of alignement. Zombies can be either protown or antitown.
What makes you think that?
When I look at the first post it is very clear that the zombies have another color. So it could also be a cult (I know, I'm assuming there's no cult left because you weren't zombiifed, but still ;))

But this zombie thing is over and done with as far as I'm concerned.
It is logical that Watery Grave can't be zombified and Whome? said that the zombifying had a chance and HK asked a question regarding the zombies which lead to an answer on which she concludes there are no zombies left.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:43 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote:Now on to the rest of your post:
If information from past games is not enough indication to believe she is the SK why is it enough to make you 100% sure that we have just one mafiate?
I also mentioned this earlier.
I only ever played in a 2-1-9 setup. I didn't know it was possible to make a 3-1-8 setup in which it was possible for the town to win.
EBWOP:
Given that this is a bastard game, we have likely a stronger SK and the town had afaik no real cop. (perhaps the Statistics Keeper, but I don't know the origin of that role)
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:01 am

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Man, a quadruple post. I need to learn to think about everything at once.

So let's summarize this for HK ;)

There are 2 scenario's.
1) (from me) There is one mafiate and one SK left.

I investigated Bussy and got Self Aligned Bill Cosby. I figure with this game the roles may be bastardized a bit and decide to wait before I reveal my result.
Bussy claims
(after the investigation was already sent and I got my result)
that she targeted 3 dead people. One of which (Zindaras) had a pot of Jello I gave to him at N1. 2 of which (Whome? N1 and BT N3) died that same night.
I vote for Bussy.
UA votes immediately afterwards.

My conclusion:
Bussy = SK
UA = mafia. Flew under the radar almost the entire game, claimed a stronger doc even though we already have a dead doc, quickly voted for Bussy.

Problem with this setup

You tell me :P

2 (Dead Rikimaru): 2 mafiate + sk

Jac was stupid to investigate Bussy even though it was obvious she is the SK.
(I refuted that point a few posts up here)

Bussy is SK
UA + Jac are mafia.

Problem with this setup

Imo, there is no way a town can win with this setup. Look at the town roles:

Bartender) Rumor guy that can turn mafiate
Burglar) Comes up scum in investigations + steals random item from a player.
Unlicensed Doc) A normal doctor that comes up scum in investigations.
Teacher) Can increase a role's power.
Zombie) Screws up alignments. Possible cult.
Statistics Keeper) ???
Cleric) Originally had random answers to questions. May be a bit stronger now but it takes time to check it.
Watery Grave) Vanilla, screws up alignments upon death.

VS

Bill Cosby) SK with random extra ability to ensure survivability
3 mafiates. Possibly with extra ability on at least one of them. Or a drawback somewhere.

So unless the Statistics Keeper was a normal cop there is no way to investigate someone.
There is only 1 doc against 2 killing roles.
In 2 days almost the entire town can be already wiped out.
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:59 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote: When was this posted?
At the beginning of this day
.
So in other words
after
I already sent my investigation.
Yes, it's right.
I've read the whole game at once and had his nightactions in my mind as being claimed while Zindaras was alive because I remember a post from Zindaras listing all claims.

Why I still think you are scum

Town players want to find scum to win the game.
Scum wants to kill town to win the game.
In the end all players, regardless of alignement, play to win (this is even a rule in the site now).
And even if you die in the game you win with your faction to motivate players to sacrifice for their team and make the game more interesting.

You claim to have agreed to lose the game in exchange for an investigation.
In my opinion, no player (either town or scum or whatever) would agree with that.

If you live: YOU LOSE.
If you die: YOU LOSE.
If town wins: YOU LOSE.
If scum wins: YOU LOSE.

If you lose, why are you playing? Because town is good and scum is evil?
Nonsense.
You post a lot trying to convince me of your points. What for?

Bussy is SK: YOU LOSE
Bussy is not SK: YOU LOSE
We have 2 scum alive alive: YOU LOSE
We have 1 scum alive : YOU LOSE

Because it doesn't make sense, for any player of any alignement to do what you claim to have done, you must be lying.
And if you are lying you must be scum.

And that's why I think there are two mafiates alive.
Because if you are scum and is going as far as making up this story to make you claim strong taht probably means this is a gambit to win the game.


Why I won't unvote


Here are the possible scenarios:

1- There are two mafiates alive(you and UA)
a)Lynching you would leave Bussy and UA to solve their problems among them at Night.
b)Lynching Bussy would mean scum won.

2- There is one mafiate alive (UA)
a)Lynching you would leave Bussy and UA to solve their problems among them at Night.
b)Lynching Bussy would mean we will only have to lynch UA tomorrow.

3- There is one mafiate alive (you)
a)Lynching you would leave mean we only have to lynch Bussy tomorrow.
b)Lynching Bussy would leave mean we only have to lynch you tomorrow.

The only scenario town has already lost is 1b, which includes lynching Bussy.

The final decision is for HurriKaty to take.
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:04 am

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You know, I hate doing this, I really do, but yet again I found something in my first post that doesn't fit. So I'll be redoing this post from the ground up here:
Dead Rikimaru wrote:
Just_a_cleric wrote: Why are you sure
with only the info from day 2
that Bussy had to be scum?

Like said earlier, alignments of the past are not exactly as the alignments of the future. All I had at that time was the name claim of Bill Cosby vs the name claim of the Boat Rocker.
So I had the exact same amount of info on both players.
Cosby was a serial killer on the previous game. (indication number 1)
You claimed to have sent jello to Zindaras, and he claimed he searched Zindaras for jello and found nothing. If you are telling the truth, it means he is lying (indication number 2).
You see, and that's where you make your fatal mistake in your analysis on me.

1) Let's look at the first page.
al_kohaulec wrote:Welcome one and all to the Hall of Fame of Pariah's Greatest Bastard Hits! As many of you should know, since you're here, Pariah loves hosting games with bastard roles that shouldn't reasonably be used. We have now brought you to all of these roles to basque in their magnificience and glory once again. The following links are all games Pariah has contributed or solely designed or modded, and from these games will be the possible roles included in this one.
Actualy role mechanics and alignments may be tweaked to protect the guilty and incriminate the innocent as necessary.
So alignments from the past mean nothing.

2) Like, of course she's lying. Look at what she claimed:
Bill Cosby who searches for Jello.
You also agree she is the SK.
So did she tell the truth then? Of course not.

There's also another thing:
Let's assume she also searched for the Jello, so she's telling the truth.
N1 she targeted Whome?
Whome? was found beat unconscious.

N2 she targeted Zindaras.
Nothing happened with him.

N3 she targeted BillyTwilight.
He was killed.

I claimed to gave Zindaras the Jello on N1.
How odd that of all of her targets only the one with the Jello came off without any problems.

In other words, both your points against me (or at least, these points) are null.

Now on to the rest of your post:
If information from past games is not enough indication to believe she is the SK why is it enough to make you 100% sure that we have just one mafiate?
I also mentioned this earlier.
I only ever played in a 2-1-9 setup. I didn't know it was possible to make a 3-1-8 setup in which it was possible for the town to win with the roles that we know were in this game.
If you would sacrifice your win in the game to investigate a person why would you use it on someone you know is lying (therefore you should already know is scum) instead of finding other scum (or clearing someone, what would really help us right now)
I asked you how you could tell from the info before this day with certainty that Bussy is scum.
You gave 2 points.

1) The claim of Cosby
2) Her targets and the fact that that meant she had to lie.

1) is refuted earlier this post.
2) She gave her targets
this day
. Or,
after
my investigation.

I'm sorry, but your points just don't make sense whatsoever.
If I wasn't convinced Bussy was the SK I'd almost say we lynch you.
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:22 am

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Dead Rikimaru wrote:Yes, it's right.
I've read the whole game at once and had his nightactions in my mind as being claimed while Zindaras was alive because I remember a post from Zindaras listing all claims.
But she only quoted her name back then ;)
PK asked for a target list but the answer wasn't given until this day :)
Dead Rikimaru wrote:If you lose, why are you playing? Because town is good and scum is evil?
Nonsense.
Yeah, perhaps I have a different view of this game then you do. I try to do the best
for my team
. You see, this is not a game that is won by one person or one action. It's a game that's played with teams against each other (barring a SK)

The end result is always
"town wins"
"mafia wins"
"cult wins"

The problem that lies between is is our view of the game.
I don't play to win myself. I play to let
my team
win.
So please don't try to give me this crap about 'no way that anyone would lose on purpse', because obviously I will. And I know at least one other person that would do it as well.
Why I won't unvote


Here are the possible scenarios:

1- There are two mafiates alive(you and UA)
a)Lynching you would leave Bussy and UA to solve their problems among them at Night.
b)Lynching Bussy would mean scum won.
Once again you don't respond to my point about the roles.
If there were 3 mafiates like you claim, how in the world could the town win?

The only logical conclusion is there were only 2 mafiates.
2- There is one mafiate alive (UA)
a)Lynching you would leave Bussy and UA to solve their problems among them at Night.
b)Lynching Bussy would mean we will only have to lynch UA tomorrow.

3- There is one mafiate alive (you)
a)Lynching you would leave mean we only have to lynch Bussy tomorrow.
b)Lynching Bussy would leave mean we only have to lynch you tomorrow.
You're forgetting a very nasty scenario however.

The player list as follows:
HurriKaty (Town)
You (Town)
Bussy (SK)
Jac (Town / mafia)
UA (Mafia / town)

Bussy and UA are of course also watching this.
If I get lynched there will be 2 kills tonight.
How much townies are alive? 2.
So if either of them (or both) decide to kill a townie,
town also loses


The only way this scenario can be stopped is to eliminate one of the killing roles.

We all agree that Bussy is the SK.
We do not yet all agree that UA or myself is a mafiate.

So the question for HK is as follows:

Which setup is more likely


2-1-9 with:
doc, cop, burglar, cleric, grave, teacher, random role each night, zombie, mafia recruit, Sk, 2 mafiates.

Or

3-1-8 with:
doc, cop, burglar, cleric, grave, teacher, zombie, mafia recruit, 3 mafia, sk.

If your answer is 3-1-8, lynch me. And still have a chance for the town to lose.
If your answer is 2-1-9, lynch Bussy and lynch either myself or UA tomorrow.
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:37 am

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It gets even worse:

Or

3-1-8 with:
doc, cop, burglar, cleric, grave, teacher, zombie, mafia recruit, 3 mafia, sk.

Of which one mafiate gets a random role each night with which he could change role name/alignment on N2.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:17 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote: The problem that lies between is is our view of the game.
I don't play to win myself. I play to let
my team
win.
So please don't try to give me this crap about 'no way that anyone would lose on purpse', because obviously I will. And I know at least one other person that would do it as well.
Sacrifice yourself for the team means die for the team.
Whome? , who you now suspect to be a cultist, offered himself to be lynched to stop spreading the zombie infestation.
That is how a townie is supposed to sacrifice himself, and that's why I know he was protown.
You keep saying there can't be two mafiates alive because it would be impossible for town to win, but I've shown that town only auto-loses by not killing a mafiate today.
Also, even if the setup would be unbalanced it's not proof enough to discredit the two mafia possibility. Some setups are indeed unbalanced to either side.
You try to win too hard for someone who claims to have lost. ;)
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