Micro 376: Chosen Mafia - Game Over = Perfect Town Win

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Hello. ETL is (sorta) here.

AP has sorta said things like "Ok so Flubber's scum, yeah? Yeah. Flubber's scum." and I go "Ok" because I haven't read flubber yet.

ETL

Votecount 1.17

T S O - [3] - ZZZX, BlueBloodedToffee, Guilty Gunsmith
Josh_B - [1] - T S O
ZZZX - [1] - Lying Cat
Flubbernugget - [1] - Heartless

Not voting - [3] - awestfie, Flubbernugget, Josh_B

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-08-25 14:39:13)

[Heartless]

i'm at about 99% on that read.

like... this is a goodmorning level read

you need to give it priority

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Alright. You don't trust AP?

[Heartless]

this isn't about if i trust AP

i have no idea what he's saying to you behind your walls of your hydra PT, so i am here to talk to you about it myself

i'm coming off as impatient because i am. i want to send wicked 5 million day vig PMs right now, but i know that's not going to do anything so i'm just going to sit here and yell and scream like an asshole until i get that scumflip which I KNOW GOOD AND WELL is happening

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Oh ok. He hasn't said much as we've both been busy. I haven't even posted a readslist in the PT yet. You should know I can't even focus until I've done that. (Which is why I asked if you trusted AP cuz I'm basically letting him run our vote while I get oriented here.)

I'm reading Flubber now. Is there any particular interaction you want me to look at?

ETL

[Heartless]

if you read absolutely nothing else

read the latest string of "catchup posts" and what i say about them

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Alright so...

I'm going to disagree with the Flubber read. All of his posts make it pretty clear that he's looking for something and contributing the opinions he has confidence in. There are still a few things that stand out, for instance, 106 seems a little appease-y and the "ZZZX is chosen" comment is still baffling. But overall, looks mostly town.

As far as the catch up post, he said he would do it, and then he did. And I actually like the catch up, though I disagree with a lot of the conclusions.

I also think he's a naturally awkward poster. All of his posts have the same consistent tone - not just the ones responding to interrogation.

ETL

[Heartless]

oh for fuck's sake

All of his posts make it pretty clear that he's looking for something and contributing the opinions he has confidence in.

name one

[Heartless]

though I disagree with a lot of the conclusions.

name.

one.

which one?

any one?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Spoiler: All of these

I'd like to call it a scumtell to get us out of RVS but I think I'd expect better of a hydra containing Pig.

I don't think that's how RVS works. It sounds like you're admitting your hydra read is synthetic, and if that's the case why would you even try to make a read out of it?

Why would you even join a game if your first thought is to break it?

So, TSO was saying that ZZZX was accepting your read on him, which he wasn't. Yet he's saying he's going to continue to pester him about not having anyone agree with his read anyone by forcing it down his throat. I feel like he's trying to get a chosen one out of the way and is fumbling for reads on him.

I hope that clarified.

@awestfie Even if someone is a "safer lynch," how does that help if they're showing lots of town reads? What scenarios do you see us having to lynch someone because they're "safe"?

Alright.

I would normally find what Josh did with the whole "we can just NL forever and win!" thing as a town-tell but; I dislike the way he expressed himself in saying that, it just didn't feel genuine at all to me. If he had a few posts before saying that, I could've potentially bought it but, even then; scum can easily force comments like these in an attempt to look like town. Overall, I think his opening is just null, and if anything, it's leaning scum.

Is there a reason you're not voting for him?

my eyes, but I think you're scum here. I like you as a person.

That's possible. Only impossible, having been in two games together, where I was scum in both. I suppose neither my style nor interests have changed. Perhaps I'm better at being scummy in my town games, than I am at being scummy in my scum games.

I have to be reading this wrong. If nothing about your style has changed from two games with you as scum, doesn't that suggest you're playing like you would as scum right now? And make your last sentence null and void as a result?

[Heartless]

none of those are "conclusions". post 82 is the closest he gets and even that's "meh". the rest are rhetorical questions which is a zero risk play.

zero risk plays are kind of a scum thing

[Heartless]

like seriously, you've nuked your read.

is this dark age of the law part 2?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I don't really like that he is null on us and TSO. I feel it was a particularly large part of the day thus far, and an easy opportunity to choose a side.

p-edit: So, because I disagree with you, that means I'm scum?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I mean, the only thing besides the two comments I pointed out that kinda bugs me is that even after reading his ISO I don't really know where he stands on anything.

ETL

[Heartless]

don't act like you don't know what i'm talking about.

my candle jack read was a piece of shit there, right?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

none of those are "conclusions". post 82 is the closest he gets and even that's "meh". the rest are rhetorical questions which is a zero risk play.

zero risk plays are kind of a scum thing

The posts I quoted/spoilered weren't conclusions. You asked me to point out which posts I felt showed that he was looking for something.

ETL

p-edit: What?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

don't act like you don't know what i'm talking about.

my candle jack read was a piece of shit there, right?

You asked me to look at Flubber - before I've even read the game in detail or even organized my reads... and when I disagree you flip your shit? Please don't get weird ok. I'm busy as shit and my work week is finally done as of less than an hour ago. You can at least let me do what I need to do.

[Heartless]

i'm off the rails, it's going to be hard to get back on. and yes. my shit is flipped and will remain flipped until i die.

if you want to make a reads list and all, cool. we can compare notes.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Off the rails? Why are you off the rails?

And I'm not just talking about a reads list. I actually have to read the game. I've been keeping up and letting AP do the driving. You know how I work so I'm not sure why you're being ridiculous right now. Like, I don't even really have a solid town read. Maybe swifty, but it's not backed up. Maybe you but that is almost purely based on AP and only some on our interaction thus far. And I still need to look at TSO and figure out if I'm right there or if I'm just reacting to his idiocy.

ETL

[Heartless]

Off the rails? Why are you off the rails?

i'm scumreading flubber to an irrational point.

there's not enough day vig bullets you could give me that would satisfy me. EVERY POST I SEE FROM YOU TOWNREADING FLUBBER MAKE MY EYES BLEED.

i might be crazy, but i'm not wrong

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Off the rails? Why are you off the rails?

i'm scumreading flubber to an irrational point.

there's not enough day vig bullets you could give me that would satisfy me. EVERY POST I SEE FROM YOU TOWNREADING FLUBBER MAKE MY EYES BLEED.

i might be crazy, but i'm not wrong

lol well alright. I'll get back to you on it when I finish reading here. I don't like that you're making that kind of assumption though when there are other issues going on here. I also don't like how quickly you flipped that switch as though you were waiting for the opportunity to do so.

You went from "ETL is really really town" to "OH NOEZ U SCUM" with no real impetus. So... yeah.

ETL

[Heartless]

anything that's not killing what i'm killing


becomes what i'm killing

impetus

[Lying Cat]

So, sthar8's babysitting this morning. He will be back later, probably later today, to post. Anti, don't feel too bad about Especially the Bird's insane reads, given that they're, you know, scum.

[Heartless]

I don't like that you're making that kind of assumption though when there are other issues going on here.

THERE ARE NO OTHER ISSUES

i see red

he knows he's scum. i know he's scum.

[Heartless]

I also don't like how quickly you flipped that switch as though you were waiting for the opportunity to do so.

right, because i totally knew what you were going to say.

IS THAT YOUR ARGUMENT?

DAMN