↑massive wrote:Man, I'm kinda happy with my wagon too. Two votes are purely self-preservation, one is bandwagoning what is, best I can tell, a neutral read, and BBT is still mistaking "contribution" for actual scumminess. I don't know, maybe GL is even self-preservation at this point.
At least I don't have a PR to go claiming, I guess.
Gonna go here:
VOTE: SirCakez who switched from WKing me to voting me (ostensibly) because I didn't move my vote off of Firebringer? OK.
This early VT claim makes me a little less sure about this wagon.
UNVOTE:
I don't see how it benefits scum to lock themselves into a VT claim of all things at L-2.
VOTE: SirCakez
I'm looking elsewhere for now.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:21 pm
by Thor665
↑Night Hunters wrote:There are a lot of things that can ping my tonedar so *shrug*. Maybe you're weird.
-Dad
↑Firebringer wrote:OMGUsing people is fun: VOTE: Thor665
So the scum is pretty much highly aware that they are caught.
The rest of you should take notice and, y'know, start that "sheep" thing I mentioned.
I promise good things.
2. Why not Firebringer? (and, as an addendum to this question - what are your thoughts about his nervously self-noted OMGUS on me after I claimed I caught him as scum, like, you find that the townie reaction? Y'know, when you play as scum and someone is like "I *know* you are scum" your immediate reaction is to vote them, laugh it off as OMGUS, and not start demanding to, y'know, ask 'why' they claim to know you're scum, since clearly they have to be wrong, and also it would be slightly psychotic for scum to try a 1 v 1 on Day 1, so...y'know, they're either incredibly bad scum you ought to be able to own, or really mistaking town you should try to sort...that's how you'd play it, right, with an OMGUS? Talk me through your reaction, or specifically your lack of one, to that.)
@Titus ^^^ Read #2, then sheep me. Thanks!
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:22 pm
by Thor665
When you play as *town.
Sorry, too clear in my head Fire's alignment.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:27 pm
by kirroha
I don't like Firebringer. But I don't want to lynch claimed PRs on day 1. Besides, he alleges that his role will be proven in time so I'll let him be today, unless I get a stronger read on him today.
Cake is second biggest wagon. Pushing gets reads. Smaller wagons unlikely to react to single votes.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:32 pm
by SirCakez
426 reeks of someone looking for an excuse to get off a wagon.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:45 pm
by Thor665
↑kirroha wrote:I don't like Firebringer. But I don't want to lynch claimed PRs on day 1.
He is a softclaimed PR who has dropped hints about his role and they are not particularly screaming town to me, I am kind of confused that they say town enough to you to give him a walk this day.
You also didn't address the second half of #2, which fills me with maddening rage, why didn't you?
↑kirroha wrote:Cake is second biggest wagon. Pushing gets reads. Smaller wagons unlikely to react to single votes.
So you don't find him individually scummy for anything in particular?
@Cakez - That would make massive town, or Kirrho a bussing buddy.
Which are you claiming?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:53 pm
by SirCakez
Bussing buddy is what it looks like.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:19 pm
by Thor665
Why that as opposed to scum sensing the wagon decline on a town and looking to scuttle or scum thinking it's going to be pushed through and not wanting to be part of it now that it has momentum?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:42 pm
by GuiltyLion
↑BlueBloodedToffee wrote:GL, are you reading Shadow as town for 214 or is it just a townie looking post? To me, it looks like a whole load of easy questions that scum could ask and outside of that, Shadow is a non-presence. I'm also happy with your 318 as a response.
Just a townie looking post. I agree that it's conceivably fakeable from scum, but backing me up being against PLs while still saying it doesn't make you scum mirrored my own thoughts closely. However writing out that sentence makes me realize that it is actually pretty similar to exactly what I had already said in the thread.
↑Night Hunters wrote:I see Massive as town because no good reason has been provided to scumread massive and SirCakez and GL want it. GL being Mr. Repeat the same question already asked and answered three times is shitty. His response that he didn't vet his own wagon is crap too.
This is bullshit. When I question a wagon, you say I "have a reason to attack any wagon" in 245. Then when I don't question people who are on a wagon because I think it is a good wagon, you frame that as if it is scummy. You've set up a situation where you can call me scum if I push against wagons or if I don't.
↑kirroha wrote:This early VT claim makes me a little less sure about this wagon.
Can you explain at what point you were more sure about the wagon? Because your jump on it was extremely tentative, you said in 350 , 355, and 358, you didn't have anything really scummy from massive, but then jumped on in 360 because BBT asked you to. Immediately afterwards in 362 you were still casting doubt on the wagon.
This seems like odd phrasing to jump off, because I don't get the sense that you were sure at any point when voting him.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:42 pm
by Firebringer
I kind of want to get lynched, I will bust a nut laughing at you guys lynching a player who claimed to be a PR, then he flips PR. It will be hilarious.
Keep pushing me. I am sure it will be loads of fun.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:43 pm
by Firebringer
↑kirroha wrote:I don't like Firebringer. But I don't want to lynch claimed PRs on day 1. Besides, he alleges that his role will be proven in time so I'll let him be today, unless I get a stronger read on him today.
Cake is second biggest wagon. Pushing gets reads. Smaller wagons unlikely to react to single votes.
Kirroha has half a brain, or should I say Radiant Cowballs?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:45 pm
by Firebringer
↑Thor665 wrote:Why not Firebringer? (and, as an addendum to this question - what are your thoughts about his
nervously self-noted OMGUS
on me after I claimed I caught him as scum, like, you find that the townie reaction? Y'know, when you play as scum and someone is like "I *know* you are scum" your immediate reaction is to vote them, laugh it off as OMGUS, and not start demanding to, y'know, ask 'why' they claim to know you're scum, since clearly they have to be wrong, and also it would be slightly psychotic for scum to try a 1 v 1 on Day 1, so...y'know, they're either incredibly bad scum you ought to be able to own, or really mistaking town you should try to sort...that's how you'd play it, right, with an OMGUS? Talk me through your reaction, or specifically your lack of one, to that.)
I like how you get this all out of my vote.
I am not nervous at all. I am excited.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:45 pm
by GuiltyLion
Thor - why would scum!Firebringer claim a PR on D1 at the slightest sign of pressure? What does scum gain from that? He saves himself for a day or two at most.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:46 pm
by Firebringer
↑GuiltyLion wrote:Thor - why would scum!Firebringer claim a PR on D1 at the slightest sign of pressure? What does scum gain from that? He saves himself for a day or two at most.
Perhaps its because scum like to push for a mislynch on me cause I am easy target for that and I didn't want town to be stupid and lynch a power role. But you know, it could be because I am scum and was so obviously trying to delay my lynch.
No, it has to be the second lol.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:15 pm
by Thor665
↑GuiltyLion wrote:Thor - why would scum!Firebringer claim a PR on D1 at the slightest sign of pressure? What does scum gain from that? He saves himself for a day or two at most.
"Thor, why would scum claim a PR over a VT" is what you're asking me here.
To which my answer is - because that's what most scum do...like, easily over 50% of scum claims when they happen claim a PR because that's proper scum play.
Like, as a reverse, how often do you see scum claim VT versus PR?
Now, on the presumption that you agree with me that most scum claim a PR the only raised issue here is the *when*, not the claim, but that it happened on Day 1.
That said, read between the lines on what he's claiming and recognize that he is literally making one of the single safest scum PR claims in the game *while still keeping it vague enought hat if he needed to change it he could and would have plausible deniability*.
At that point what you're asking me is "Thor, why would scum softly hint at something to avoid being a lynch target" to which my answer is - "why wouldn't they, that's what scum want - to *not* be a lynch target. Because if scum don't get lynched, odds are they win the game, so he is, in fact, doing exactly what scum should do."
So my question back is - what has he done that remotely seems like something scum wouldn't do and why?
Also, while we're at it, what do you think of his reaction to me?
Do you see that as a town reaction of someone who felt the need to hint being a town PR?
Or do you see that as nervous scum recognizing that he is busted?
Because I know what it looks like to me, and it's so blatant I am concerned that you don't see it - so what do you see?
