Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[atm487]

Im am offended, im calling my lawer

[Robbnva]

atm487:

Do you have any scumreads that aren't Eggman currently?

so far, no, i'm still looking at all the posts, but other than Robb(only slight read) i can't think of anyone

I have had quite a few posts. You haven't been able to get a stronger read on me yet?

[Smithereens]

@Robb, it's unnecessary to construe that to imply something scummy. I get the idea that you think he's scummy because he hasn't been able to read you based on your posts thus far. Fwiw I can't read anything AI in your posts thus far either.

[atm487]

Well the reason I am not calling Robb scum is because I feel that he is a slight scum lean. It just feels kinda weird, some of his posts just don't quite fit right with me

[Smithereens]

such as?

[Robbnva]

im not implying anything. I'm genuinely worried that at this point he doesn't have more reads. Tbh I have posted enough I should be more than a null for anyone. People should be able to tell if they think I'm townish or scummish. the fact that anyone is null reading me still is worrisome. As for not having anything AI in my posts, I find that quite amusing. I fee there's plenty I've said that can lead people to determine my alignment.

[Robbnva]

such as?

Yes second this request.

Also if you have seen posts from me you have issues with, why is this the first we are hearing of it? Why haven't you been pointing them out earlier? Why have you not tried to directly interact with me to figure me out better?

Better known as "playing the game"?

[atm487]

OK, well one, thanks for the criticism im new and two here are the posts that mad eme want to say scumlean that, until I fully analyzed them

[Smithereens]

im not implying anything. I'm genuinely worried that at this point he doesn't have more reads. Tbh I have posted enough I should be more than a null for anyone. People should be able to tell if they think I'm townish or scummish. the fact that anyone is null reading me still is worrisome. As for not having anything AI in my posts, I find that quite amusing. I fee there's plenty I've said that can lead people to determine my alignment.

This is incorrect. I'd complain about how many people on this site believe that affiliation can always be determined by a good enough number of posts -It cannot. I won't go anymore into that because of irrelevancy, however you're wrong if you think you can be accurately read based of posts. If you could then mafia would be impossible to play etc.

[atm487]

If anything VTs should try and give off a vibe they are a pr rather they are a vt

So this is one of the only ones I got a strong feel from. So lets say someone is town right, that means most of the time their actively scum-hunting and trying to win the game for the town. This vibe would be shown early on and you claim its better to show this vibe or to show your VT vibe rather than keep to your self until actual evidence can be used against people, but maybe this is just opinion. But instead of trying to be the person that is tryng to scum-hunt, you denouce your vote on my and hop on the wagon, even though you claimed to vote for me because I voted for you(idk actually why you voted for me). I'm trying to say that its weird that you try to scum-hunt but wait till the wagon is full enough to join without suspicion. I joined the wagon and presented my evidence why, why I had waited and why I thought it would be good to lynch eggman

[Robbnva]

First I'm not sure what this vibe nonsense is. If you are town you are supposed to just come in and look for scum. You shouldn't even be thinking about dropping breadcrumbs about being a vt (tbh you shouldn't even be dropping breadcrumbs at all imo). You should be concerning yourself with questioning people and trying to find scum. Hopefully you do it good enough scum think you are a threat and take you out.

The middle I'm kind of confused by. It seems you are trying to imply I haven't been scum hunting and if that's what you are saying that's pretty laughable and completely inaccurate.


I'm also not sure what you meant by

ou denouce your vote on my and hop on the wagon, even though you claimed to vote for me because I voted for you(idk actually why you voted for me).

1. I never voted you
2. I didn't hop on any wagon, I voted who I thought was scum and have posts that show why I'm suspicious of egg

As for your reason for voting eggman

You voted him for defending himself and then trying to explain why others are scummy. Is that really suspicious? That's exactly what I would expect from somebody regardless of alignment because that is how you play the game. Defend yourself and continue to scum hunt.

[Robbnva]

Also you think me putting somebody to l-1 is hopping the wagon without suspicion? If I'm wrong about egg and he flips town historically people look at the people who joined the wagon late so if anything I've put a bigger spotlight on myself especially when I said earlier that we should take our time and now a day or 2 later I'm putting him back to l-1.

[Robbnva]

im not implying anything. I'm genuinely worried that at this point he doesn't have more reads. Tbh I have posted enough I should be more than a null for anyone. People should be able to tell if they think I'm townish or scummish. the fact that anyone is null reading me still is worrisome. As for not having anything AI in my posts, I find that quite amusing. I fee there's plenty I've said that can lead people to determine my alignment.

This is incorrect. I'd complain about how many people on this site believe that affiliation can always be determined by a good enough number of posts -It cannot. I won't go anymore into that because of irrelevancy, however you're wrong if you think you can be accurately read based of posts. If you could then mafia would be impossible to play etc.

I'm questioning people, engaging people, and even proving people wrong. If none of that is alignment indicative you aren't trying hard enough. You have to look at motives also and you kind of have to use your own common sense. Would scum take the time to go research eggman' games to disprove the statements creature were saying? If yes then you can use that to help decide if I'm scum or not. If no, same thing.

You were able to get a scum read on creature for far less. You also voted egg for some reason or another. To say you aren't able to get a read on me quite frankly is weird

[Robbnva]

Why are you voting eggman? I didn't see a reason in your post. I also think you have more reasons to vote creature but you would rather flip eggman first which is also weird to me.

[Smithereens]

Imagine I were scum this game, that's a perfectly valid hypothesis. If you town read me simply because I've been actively scum hunting I'd survive and shoot you all dead and win the game. Would you as town want this to happen? No. Therefore remember that a whole pile of posts that someone makes is not AI.

Small things that can't be explained as town, such as objectively stating a falsehood to support a point you want others to believe (Creature) are things we can use for scum hunting. You're basically saying that people can read people just by reading what they say in general. This is a perfect example of a mislynch strategy.

Also, I've explained why Eggman needs to die before creature and not afterwards.

[Robbnva]

Yeah if your scum read is stronger on somebody else it's bad play to want to lynch the lesser scum read. Ugh now I'm not townreading you anymore.

[Robbnva]

And now I'm not sure what to make of egg

unvote

Lots to think about now

[Robbnva]

Like you have way more evidence against creature. Your vote should be on him.

[Robbnva]

I actually think we learn more about eggman from a creature lynch than vice versa. Plus creature actually got caught in at least some dishonest postings.

vote: creature

Keeping an eye on smitherines though.

[Smithereens]

An Eggman lynch would be quite informative about Creature, so I prefer to lynch Eggman over Creature despite my scum read on Creature being slightly stronger.

@Robb,

If Egg flips town, then i don't scum read Creature. That's what's so conditional about it. I'm aware that I could be wrong, you clearly don't share my awareness.

[Robbnva]

But if you are more suspicious of creature your vote should be on creature. You even thought he was lying about eggs games and I proved he was and you don't vote him?

That just strikes me as weird. Id like to see creature get a few more votes on him.

[Smithereens]

No this is a really basic concept I don't see why I'm still explaining it.

Creature is the one pulling the scum moves, however these scum moves are scum insofar as Eggman is scum. If Eggman is town, then I am incorrect in thinking that this is Creature defending a scum buddy.

For fucks sake.

[Robbnva]

I think I understand your pov but I don't necessarily agree with it. I think we learn much more from a creature lynch, at least I would. Would help me figure out at least 2 people plus he's scummy

[Eggman]

Smithereens: how would you feel about the scumminess of Creature's defense if, hypothetically:
a. we were both town
d. I was town, and it was mafioso
b. we were both mafiosos
c. I was mafioso, and it was town

(I think that we're both town, and the "scummy" part of Creature's defense is just it misremembering stuff (I do that a lot as town, too).)

[Creature]

How much would your opinion on Eggman change then?