Mafiascum.net

In post 423, northsidegal wrote:

In post 422, Lapsa wrote:@northsidegal what you might not realize is that you essentially defended Shinobi in a risk free way

PlayerX wrote: Hmm... Why should I vote Shinobi? Oh, I member - he's the dude being naked voted. Ain't worth bothering.

mozamis gave a read

yeah, i realize that and i think that's entirely valid. i don't want to get into a lot of theory talk but without even the pretense of a reason i'd default to not voting someone over voting them. i'm not even questioning your vote on him, i'm just asking you to explain something behind your vote. i presume you have reasons for who you're voting so i'm interested in hearing what they are.

you do realize that's just continuation and you are making it worse?

In post 416, northsidegal wrote:

In post 413, Lapsa wrote:

In post 410, Shinobi wrote:Stop throwing naked votes around and start making your logic known, please.

it's a waste of time explaining vote reasons to scum

if you want to get scum lynched you'll need to convince other people to vote them, too. typically i've found that explaining your reasoning is more effective in getting people to believe you than just repeating your opinion. also, nobody is always right on their first guess - talking through your reads is a great way to make sure that they make sense and stand up to scrutiny.

anyways, just a suggestion.

Scum giving play advice does not equal scum having a fake town agenda, but it does come off townie despite being completely NAI.

In post 423, northsidegal wrote:

In post 422, Lapsa wrote:@northsidegal what you might not realize is that you essentially defended Shinobi in a risk free way

PlayerX wrote: Hmm... Why should I vote Shinobi? Oh, I member - he's the dude being naked voted. Ain't worth bothering.

mozamis gave a read

yeah, i realize that and i think that's entirely valid. i don't want to get into a lot of theory talk but without even the pretense of a reason i'd default to not voting someone over voting them. i'm not even questioning your vote on him, i'm just asking you to explain something behind your vote. i presume you have reasons for who you're voting so i'm interested in hearing what they are.

Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

In post 429, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

In post 430, northsidegal wrote:

In post 429, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

Hmm, my obvious implications that I wasn’t talking about Shinobi didn’t go through.

In post 431, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 430, northsidegal wrote:

In post 429, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

Hmm, my obvious implications that I wasn’t talking about Shinobi didn’t go through.

if you're talking about your vote on me, where did i imply that your vote didn't have any reason behind it?

if you're going to point to 405, that was me talking about your "arrogant" comment, not your vote.

what about transcend

In post 422, Lapsa wrote:@northsidegal what you might not realize is that you essentially defended Shinobi in a risk free way

PlayerX wrote: Hmm... Why should I vote Shinobi? Oh, I member - he's the dude being naked voted. Ain't worth bothering.

mozamis gave a read

This is bullhonkey - you haven't given a reason to suspect me so saying this doesn't hold any water because you have no way of knowing the difference wrt if she's defending me or not.

AKA stop dithering around and explain your vote, because anything you think about anything surrounding it is worthless if you can't discern whether the reasons for voting me/defending me/anythinging me are valid.

In post 412, Transcend wrote:

In post 410, Shinobi wrote:VOTE: asp
I should have previewed that first. Alas.

In post 407, northsidegal wrote:would any of you mind sharing a reason? i'm trying to be more active here and it'd get discussion going.

Quoting for emphasis. Stop throwing naked votes around and start making your logic known, please.

Says the person who vanity voted all of day 1 lol

Saying this is not only pointless but completely missing the point - if you have a reason to vote or not vote ASP, spit it out. This bit where you're taking potshots at me because you don't like my vote is annoying and useless when you have so little to base your logic on otherwise considering you don't have a read on him anyway.

Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: Assemble

This is not a terrible vote. I know you suspected him before but I'd like to ask you to post them again anyway for the sake of pushing a clear case today.

mozamis wrote:what about transcend

Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

In post 434, Shinobi wrote:Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

why so focused on the lurkers?

Guys Shinobi

In post 435, northsidegal wrote:

In post 434, Shinobi wrote:Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

why so focused on the lurkers?

Why are you not?
Is there some kind of lurker aversion here that I wasn't aware of until just this game or what?

In post 437, Shinobi wrote:

In post 435, northsidegal wrote:

In post 434, Shinobi wrote:Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

why so focused on the lurkers?

Why are you not?
Is there some kind of lurker aversion here that I wasn't aware of until just this game or what?

i mean, are the lurkers your top scumreads? why do you place them at the top of your "lynch list"?

VOTE: Shinobi

Low activity is, and has been, a bad push since 209. NSG's 438 is spot on.

VOTE: Shinobi

Nsg is scum tho u kno u feel

In post 434, Shinobi wrote:because you have no way of knowing the difference wrt if she's defending me or not

intentionally or not - she defended you

In post 425, Dunkerdoodles wrote:(0) Lord Gurgi:

who the fuck

In post 357, Lord Gurgi wrote:I got prodded. Kokichi Oma putting the competing wagon to L-1 with reservations looks really bad. Don't see any reason to revise my vote.

ite

this is green fellas

How? I was voting them before the L-1. That's a fabricated read.

In post 432, northsidegal wrote:

In post 431, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 430, northsidegal wrote:

In post 429, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

Hmm, my obvious implications that I wasn’t talking about Shinobi didn’t go through.

if you're talking about your vote on me, where did i imply that your vote didn't have any reason behind it?

if you're going to point to 405, that was me talking about your "arrogant" comment, not your vote.

:shrug:

@ assembles what r your reads?

shinobi is so active too activ to be scum

-

-