In post 44, Maid Cafe wrote:I want Mastina or Yume to fully claim the ability they mentioned in thread btw.
~B
Rolefishing, requesting full claim
In post 88, Maid Cafe wrote:I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it.
When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part.
But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.
~B
After requesting full claim, goes on and semi-claims herself
In post 100, Maid Cafe wrote:mastina's claim was anti town yes but anti town doesn't=scummy it was purely NAI she would've claimed that as mafia and town to help whatever side she's on gain an advantage the fact this is a topic of debate is silly
~Maki
Anti-town, but NAI? Selling the idea that the claim was anti-town is per definition AI.
I just really think it's different, it's not like "Hey town cerb how is it hanging let's town bloc up"
It's more like "Yay Cerb did X and is town, how's it going let's townbloc up".
Like you'd be communicating your reads as you go in a more meaningful way then just outright stating them.
~B
That difference is so very subtle, and I don't see it. This is very nitpicky
FP'd a bunch
Maid, what post made by Sky is 'the worst in the game'?
In post 417, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Maki who do you think is the towniest player in this game and why?
And tell me your read on Dunnstral.
Dunn is Null
Venmar and Creature are the most town players because creature can't fake a scum game and vermars answers feels genuine even if I don't agree with some of the answers he has
What is your read on OtM?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:30 pm
by OnTheMark
In post 422, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Please stop ISO-ing players on Page 16, OtM! I don't think it's going to be very productive with so little information on the table, and if they're too long soon people will stop reading them!
Well it's more, I kinda need to to see where people stand and where my thoughts are. It's kinda a thing I need to do. Would spoiler tags help? I think it's gonna be productive for a few different reasons. Mainly should I be night killed (which is kinda the road the game seems to be heading towards) I need to be more verbose. In the games where I wreck scum in later days the verbosity helped the town left after my NK/turbo mislynch to just power lynch the remaining scum.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:31 pm
by OnTheMark
I mean if it really bugs people I'll just spoiler tag it.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:31 pm
by Iconeum
Next up, Chara and OTM!
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:31 pm
by Maid Cafe
Otm has went from scummy to towny so I'm putting them at null
Meta suggests scum but I feel like some of the sorting they've done feels real so I'll put them at null
In post 422, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Please stop ISO-ing players on Page 16, OtM! I don't think it's going to be very productive with so little information on the table, and if they're too long soon people will stop reading them!
Well it's more, I kinda need to to see where people stand and where my thoughts are. It's kinda a thing I need to do. Would spoiler tags help? I think it's gonna be productive for a few different reasons. Mainly should I be night killed (which is kinda the road the game seems to be heading towards) I need to be more verbose. In the games where I wreck scum in later days the verbosity helped the town left after my NK/turbo mislynch to just power lynch the remaining scum.
Why on earth would scum nightkill you? You're on an anonymous alternate account! They'd be more likely to eliminate the big names like RR first. You might not even be on their threatlist. Making yourself seem like a bigger threat than you actually are, though, may lead them to add you to that list though!
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:32 pm
by Maid Cafe
In post 260, Skybird wrote:Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.
Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.
Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite
worst post in the game
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:32 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
In post 430, Maid Cafe wrote:Otm has went from scummy to towny so I'm putting them at null
Meta suggests scum but I feel like some of the sorting they've done feels real so I'll put them at null
What meta do you have on OtM?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:33 pm
by Maid Cafe
Being anti town doesn't make it scummy nor does it make it towny it's the reasons behind it
but saying anti town and scummy are the same thing are incorrect
@Ico
Pedit: I will not out there alt.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:34 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
In post 428, OnTheMark wrote:I mean if it really bugs people I'll just spoiler tag it.
Okay, I see, so those ISOs are for your own personal use? If that's the case, then yes, I suppose spoilering them will help.
Do take into account however that not everyone will pay attention to your reads until you gain some degree of accuracy credibility. Heck, I don't even think town pays attention to my own reads sometimes!
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:35 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
In post 434, Maid Cafe wrote:Being anti town doesn't make it scummy nor does it make it towny it's the reasons behind it
but saying anti town and scummy are the same thing are incorrect
@Ico
Pedit: I will not out there alt.
Well, okay, that's no fair, but that's fair too.
Is OtM supposed to be a player I am supposed to know, or are they someone I haven't played with before?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:36 pm
by Maid Cafe
Don't know love
~Maki
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:37 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
Hmm, then that means it's a player I haven't played with before. My completed games all have Maki in it because she's so awesome! <3
(Actually, just a coincidence. But part where Maki is awesome is true.)
In post 428, OnTheMark wrote:I mean if it really bugs people I'll just spoiler tag it.
Okay, I see, so those ISOs are for your own personal use? If that's the case, then yes, I suppose spoilering them will help.
Do take into account however that not everyone will pay attention to your reads until you gain some degree of accuracy credibility. Heck, I don't even think town pays attention to my own reads sometimes!
Kinda both. Mainly it's weird. I'm a player no one listens to when alive, but if things kinda seem to be going correctly and I die, I get listened to a lot at death.
I also kinda don't recognize you. I recognize Titus but not you. I feel like I should but I don't so I'm treating you like a null entity for now and it's kinda why I townread the slot. Titus I just quite frankly give up on reading and since she's in a hydra and has to share you're alignment I'm just going to read you.
It's one of the reasons I'm kinda pissed at the Tibor response. It's a courtesy if in a hydra to keep players informed of if one head V/LAs or what not. Both slots do contribute. While they do share the same alignment if only one person is playing the game (unless outed as a coaching hydra) it's scummy as fuck to keep one head silent.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:38 pm
by Maid Cafe
In post 438, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Hmm, then that means it's a player I haven't played with before. My completed games all have Maki in it because she's so awesome! <3
(Actually, just a coincidence. But part where Maki is awesome is true.)
In post 428, OnTheMark wrote:I mean if it really bugs people I'll just spoiler tag it.
Okay, I see, so those ISOs are for your own personal use? If that's the case, then yes, I suppose spoilering them will help.
Do take into account however that not everyone will pay attention to your reads until you gain some degree of accuracy credibility. Heck, I don't even think town pays attention to my own reads sometimes!
Kinda both. Mainly it's weird. I'm a player no one listens to when alive, but if things kinda seem to be going correctly and I die, I get listened to a lot at death.
I also kinda don't recognize you. I recognize Titus but not you. I feel like I should but I don't so I'm treating you like a null entity for now and it's kinda why I townread the slot. Titus I just quite frankly give up on reading and since she's in a hydra and has to share you're alignment I'm just going to read you.
It's one of the reasons I'm kinda pissed at the Tibor response. It's a courtesy if in a hydra to keep players informed of if one head V/LAs or what not. Both slots do contribute. While they do share the same alignment if only one person is playing the game (unless outed as a coaching hydra) it's scummy as fuck to keep one head silent.
That's fine. I myself have significantly better accuracy when reading "null entities", as you put it, as compared to friends, because sometimes I don't want to scumread friends even though they are actually scum
But I'll be happy to work with you and I'd be interested to see if your reads are as good as you are claiming them to be, or is it another case of RC-syndrome.
If you're an anonymous account though, I don't think players will listen to your reads regardless because you don't have the reputation that your main account goes off.
In post 428, OnTheMark wrote:I mean if it really bugs people I'll just spoiler tag it.
Okay, I see, so those ISOs are for your own personal use? If that's the case, then yes, I suppose spoilering them will help.
Do take into account however that not everyone will pay attention to your reads until you gain some degree of accuracy credibility. Heck, I don't even think town pays attention to my own reads sometimes!
Kinda both. Mainly it's weird. I'm a player no one listens to when alive, but if things kinda seem to be going correctly and I die, I get listened to a lot at death.
I also kinda don't recognize you. I recognize Titus but not you. I feel like I should but I don't so I'm treating you like a null entity for now and it's kinda why I townread the slot. Titus I just quite frankly give up on reading and since she's in a hydra and has to share you're alignment I'm just going to read you.
It's one of the reasons I'm kinda pissed at the Tibor response. It's a courtesy if in a hydra to keep players informed of if one head V/LAs or what not. Both slots do contribute. While they do share the same alignment if only one person is playing the game (unless outed as a coaching hydra) it's scummy as fuck to keep one head silent.
That's fine. I myself have significantly better accuracy when reading "null entities", as you put it, as compared to friends, because sometimes I don't want to scumread friends even though they are actually scum
But I'll be happy to work with you and I'd be interested to see if your reads are as good as you are claiming them to be, or is it another case of RC-syndrome.
If you're an anonymous account though, I don't think players will listen to your reads regardless because you don't have the reputation that your main account goes off.
Funny. I'm in the same boat with null entities. I actually have much more respect when my name isn't attached. I've got a few sites where I'm almost an instant NK even over PRs now. I'm just working on getting this one to the same point, hence the alt account and deliberating trying to change my meta. I think if on MS, that you are required to be popular to be listened to and have your reads examined after death, that seems to be a flaw of MS. That's typically not the case on sites like MU, DLP, and a couple of proboards sites. That results in an easily exploitable meta for scum and it's something I am unashamed to admit I have used on MS.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:55 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
In post 442, OnTheMark wrote:I actually have much more respect when my name isn't attached. I've got a few sites where I'm almost an instant NK even over PRs now. I'm just working on getting this one to the same point, hence the alt account and deliberating trying to change my meta. I think if on MS, that you are required to be popular to be listened to and have your reads examined after death, that seems to be a flaw of MS. That's typically not the case on sites like MU, DLP, and a couple of proboards sites. That results in an easily exploitable meta for scum and it's something I am unashamed to admit I have used on MS.
Sorry, I couldn't parse these sentences. I think you accidentally started rambling!
Well, I disagree with what *I think* you are trying to say. Being "popular" to be listened to is not symptomatic of MS, it's apparently how the world works: Your track record creates a reputation, and that reputation creates trust, which is tied to your name or brand. This happens on every site: recognized names get listened to more than random players; and even in the office, the "popular" guy or the one with a better reputation gets listened to more often. I don't think that's necessarily an issue, as long as said reputation is justly earned and verified over the course of a couple of games, instead of something that is bogus or assigned. Given that MS.net is more of a community website, I believe this isn't a large issue.
Are you saying that you are trying to get this specific alternate account to the same level of revere and reputation as your main account? Well, that would be an interesting challenge, for sure. You must demonstrate a good track record of catching scum with this account though! And you'll also have to deal with the fact that certain players with certain overrate and undeserved egos will think that they are better than you, and try to strongarm lynches and override your reads, when, oh boy, they really just don't know.
In post 260, Skybird wrote:Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.
Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.
Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite
worst post in the game
Really want to talk about this one! This is the one that makes me townread Skybird.
He get's his opinion in on the 1v1 between Maid and OTM, takes a stance, and backs it with a reasoning.
I don't see it as a terrible post at all.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:57 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
Since your current account seems to be created on this site at around the same time as mine has been, it appears that we are on fair and level ground. You technically have more of an advantage, since you're already from this site; you have the meta on players on this site that I do not have. Yet, I am absolutely fine with allowing this handicap, since I read "null entities" more accurately, I'm fine with you having a "meta advantage".
Game on!
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:58 pm
by Iconeum
I would appreciate if all hydra's sigged their heads please?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:59 pm
by Bronya Zaychik
Every post made so far has been by the Kiana head.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:02 pm
by OnTheMark
@Taly -- As a reminder you CANNOT copy Chara.
Chara is a known miller. If you copy them based on what is implied here then it seems like you'd cop that alignment if being a miller is how Chara gets mana. (AND NO FOR THE LOVE OF THAT IS TOWNIE Chara don't validate/correct/comment on my hypothesis.)
Spoiler: Chara
In post 73, Chara wrote:no. my goodness. beeboy said mastina forcing everyone to not vote can get to a point where it's antitown, so he gave mastina a time limit.
This is a quick example of Chara helping to defuse a situation. I don't see scum!Chara doing this regardless of Beeboy's alignment as if Chara is scum this benefits scum rather greatly.
In post 113, Chara wrote:hey, let's everybody all claim how they get mana! that's a great idea.
Another example of being protown quickly. The sarcasm was so bold everyone picked it up. Even me. Yay self humor.
In post 133, Chara wrote:while i completely understand Venmar's reasons for claiming if he is indeed town with what he
believes
to be a killer role, the fact is that if claiming how we all get mana would help the town coordinate to give everyone mana, this would not be a Varsoon game.
pedit: Venmar, there's a townblock because i'm so incredibly towny, all of the time, that my mere existence necessitates one so i might be in it.
I also like how Chara progresses here. At first it's a "Hey. This won't work" and then when Venmar tries it again, it's all like "Hell no you can wagon obvTown me instead". It's a good way of diffusing the situation. I think Chara is more focused on a healthy game than enforcing its opinion and that's a good thing to me. Because a healthy game will naturally spawn scum and townreads and form a block.
In post 191, Chara wrote:hey, this argument is pointless, can we nix it. you're talking around each other. Mark's underlined bit means investigative roles to them, and his logic on this has been consistent. i don't think any more semantics are going to help.
More of the same ol' helping everyone out and stopping me from self destructing. Hooray!
In post 263, Taly wrote:To my understanding, I have a very inconsistent way of acquiring mana. But primarily, two ways:
1) Not using my Planeswalker ability
2) I target someone with my Planeswalker ability. For 2 phases, I gain Mana the same way they would, and I gain their abilities. I can only do this once per dayphase.
I'm literally a temporary copy-cat.
i was......... kidding, Taly. did you miss my other posts on why claiming is anti-town?
Yeah...This post is a quick summary of why I scumread Taly so hard.
In post 267, Chara wrote:it informs scum. it would be fine to claim later and confusion would easily be avoided that way.
anyway, it doesn't matter now.
this is my last, desperate call into an uncaring universe: please stop claiming, everyone.
Send in the mass hugs to the obvTown!
In post 322, Chara wrote:saying something makes sense isn't agreeing with it. i also said someone made sense earlier, and it was about either a scumping or a scumread on me. i think it was you, actually.
Gamma not posting isn't interesting until it becomes a pattern, (need more time) or you can show me Gamma scumgames where he avoids the thread.
I just quite frankly do not have the time to look this up. It's just a pattern I keep in my head.
In post 387, Chara wrote:...right. i knew that. because i received one. sorry about that.
also, i counterclaim Venmar's mana-farming method. wagon me instead.
Again, I freaking love how Chara shut this shit down. I look forward to seeing where Venmar votes after this.
In post 442, OnTheMark wrote:I actually have much more respect when my name isn't attached. I've got a few sites where I'm almost an instant NK even over PRs now. I'm just working on getting this one to the same point, hence the alt account and deliberating trying to change my meta. I think if on MS, that you are required to be popular to be listened to and have your reads examined after death, that seems to be a flaw of MS. That's typically not the case on sites like MU, DLP, and a couple of proboards sites. That results in an easily exploitable meta for scum and it's something I am unashamed to admit I have used on MS.
Sorry, I couldn't parse these sentences. I think you accidentally started rambling!
Well, I disagree with what *I think* you are trying to say. Being "popular" to be listened to is not symptomatic of MS, it's apparently how the world works: Your track record creates a reputation, and that reputation creates trust, which is tied to your name or brand. This happens on every site: recognized names get listened to more than random players; and even in the office, the "popular" guy or the one with a better reputation gets listened to more often. I don't think that's necessarily an issue, as long as said reputation is justly earned and verified over the course of a couple of games, instead of something that is bogus or assigned. Given that MS.net is more of a community website, I believe this isn't a large issue.
Are you saying that you are trying to get this specific alternate account to the same level of revere and reputation as your main account? Well, that would be an interesting challenge, for sure. You must demonstrate a good track record of catching scum with this account though! And you'll also have to deal with the fact that certain players with certain overrate and undeserved egos will think that they are better than you, and try to strongarm lynches and override your reads, when, oh boy, they really just don't know.
Probably it's like 1 am here and I'm staying up to work with you. Yay for days where I'm not doing things with the bros.
Well it's more I agree with the concept of track records, just not how they are used on MS.
A person with a track record of being 100% right during that game, gets NK'd, flips town, should be given a lot more weight, regardless of their prior track history.
Now if a person happens to be mislynched due to seeming scummy, being wrong, and/or going against the town block, then flips town and has a "good" reputation then maybe they get some more credence, but the main problem I have is that the priorities seem reversed.
That on MS you have to be popular in order to be listened to, but you can't be listened to unless you're popular. It's a problem I've only seen on MS. And I'm not sure how to address it but I can change myself. So I'm trying to do that to fit in more with the meta.
