Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

This is different from the ruru wagon because last time you (Oxy) said you wouldn’t be voting for ruru. So only pin could bring ruru to L-1.

I basically don’t trust pinturrichio to not lol hammer (sorry pin I like you a lot but your play is exceedingly eccentric). And I can definitely see town pin laying down the last vote since he already thinks drixx sajj is a team so town would be at a severe disadvantage tomorrow in this case.

Anyway if this wagon doesn’t get the rest of the players talking, I don’t know what will lmao

[Oxy]

Just... One... more... post...:

read the votes and tell me you think anyone but scum would lol hammer in this game.

Spoiler:

Post Vote Voter
3 Ofrhz Oxy
4 Oxy Skitter30
5 Eth0s Ruru
9 Ruru Scioness Sajj
10 Ruru Oxy
15 Ofrhz Ruru
20 UNVOTE Oxy
23 Ruru Ofrhz
25 UNVOTE Scioness Sajj
34 Westen Eth0s
44 Scioness Sajj Oxy
48 UNVOTE Oxy
62 UNVOTE Ruru
90 Eth0s Oxy
177 Scioness Sajj Oxy
210 Scioness Sajj Eth0s
240 Oxy Pinturicchio
250 Ruru Scioness Sajj
260 Eth0s Ruru
297 Ruru Skitter30
306 UNVOTE Scioness Sajj
320 UNVOTE Pinturicchio
344 Eth0s Oxy
363 Oxy Scioness Sajj
368 UNVOTE Ofrhz
376 Drixx Ofrhz
395 Drixx Skitter30
396 Drixx Oxy
399 Drixx Ruru
402 UNVOTE Skitter30

[skitter30]

--Why would scum!oxy need to pocket someone who has a hard town read on him?

To make sure that pin keeps that townread. Also I didn't have a chance to check for a pattern of pocketing, but it's possible that pin *has* the townread because of pocketing in the first place.

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--ruru is being a team player and it is absolutely pro town vote. Also, I like to think that my asking her helped.

Yes I think that your asking helped but I don't really feel like it was a pro-town vote.

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--What if scum is in this group? Will that change town!drixx's ability to express town?

The reasoning for the wagon was that if scum is outside of the group they will try to stall out the day in an attempt to force town to compromise on a bad wagon, and that the counter-tactic was to lynch early. -> I don't get why lynching early is necessarily a countermeasure, and I don't get how this would help if scum was in this group. Like I feel like this logic is kinda wonky.

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--yeah I'm proud of the town bloc. My entire game plan from the start has been to find town, and then lynch scum with my town breathren.

It doesn't feel natural to me and it's making me paranoid that you made a townbloc so that you could make sure you're in it. And I feel like you're setting up pin to want to join it.

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no it isn't skitter, it only sets up the lynch if someone lol-hammers! That's just standard play?????

Yes and I don't really think auto-lynching someone who lolhammers irregardless of the flip is a good idea.

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Do you agree that we need more posts from eth0s/Drixx/NSG? Is there a better way of doing it?

I don't get how threatening to lynch drixx if he doesn't post in 24-hours will help get posts out of NSG/eth0s, especially if the day ends.

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I am now feeling kinda paranoid of oxy. Some of his posts do read kinda genuine to me though so I'm kinda wondering if I want to scumread him for having a different playstyle.

--I'm not pushing any lynch. I'm saying that L-1 is not something to be scared of, and the possibility of a lol hammer is not something to be scared of either because it gets us a scum lynched either way. If you want to lynch scioness sajj I am 100% for that. 100%. I'm not pushing that because you all know where I stand on her, and NONE of my THREE town reads seem to have any interest in that lynch.

Like this one feels super town to me.

But the pocketing / town-bloc stuff feels really fake/contrived/artificial

I think I need to sleep on this.

[Oxy]

well, I think one of a few things will happen

1) Drixx shows us why experience matters, convincing us that he is town and breaking this beautiful town circle to shreds
2) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive, and his partner does their best to break this beautiful town circle apart (chainsaw argument)
3) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive and his partner makes a case on someone outside the town circle but in our null/scum reads, again trying to break up this town circle
4) Drixx starts flailing/stays inactive and his partner stays inactive and we lynch scum

there are probably some other possibilities. It's a dynamic game. Trust your instincts. If one of those scum teams exist, this is where they will start to make mistakes.

Also like this post seems to be emphasizing a town-bloc and how a drixx wagon might cause it to fall apart -> like the emphasis is on a townbloc and not drixx almost. Like even the town!drixx case has this negative outcome of the town bloc breaking apart; the implication seems to be we don't want that to happen. I kinda almost feel like you've been pushing this wagon in an attempt to forge together a townbloc, with yourself in it. I don't really feel like it formed naturally.

My instincts are telling me that something is wrong here.

I answered you on this one too quickly (im too riled to sleep right now)
This was in response to a question by Ruru. She asked what would happen if the scum team was Drixx +eth0s/NSG. That's why, by definition, this assumes all 4 of us are town.

[Oxy]

The reasoning for the wagon was that if scum is outside of the group they will try to stall out the day in an attempt to force town to compromise on a bad wagon, and that the counter-tactic was to lynch early. -> I don't get why lynching early is necessarily a countermeasure, and I don't get how this would help if scum was in this group. Like I feel like this logic is kinda wonky.

The counter-play I suggested was to be WILLING to lynch early, not to lynch early. Big difference.

[eth0s]

VOTE: eth0s

Has a recent Last visited date and hasn't posted yet.

chalking this up as null/ not meaningful. Thought it was kind of baity at first but it's rvs and I'm not reading too much into it today.

Hello!

VOTE: eth0s

Has a recent Last visited date and hasn't posted yet.

Is your vote serious?
VOTE: ruru

This seems like the first attempt to move out of rvs. Seems kind of forced to me

Are you saying you don't want eth0s to post?

Lol I can’t tell if this is misdirection or bad reading comprehension skills.

VOTE: ruru

agreed

Are you saying you don't want eth0s to post?

Lol I can’t tell if this is misdirection or bad reading comprehension skills.

VOTE: ruru

I mean I still want to know why you think lurking isn't at all scummy and this post does not address that

I liked the tone of this post

[ruru]

?????

[Assemblerotws]

Vote Count 1.08

Not Voting [4]:

northsidegal, Drixx, pinturicchio, skitter30

Drixx [3]:

ofrhz, Oxy, ruru [L-2]

Scioness Sajj [1]:

eth0s

Oxy [1]:

Scioness Sajj

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-03 09:00:00) on

April 3, 2018

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[Scioness Sajj]

?????

[ruru]

I can't see why town!eth0s would make that post. But I also can't see why scum!eth0s would make that post...

My first thought was to derail and take heat off of scum!Drixx but that seems super gamelosing and every other situation I can imagine doesn't make that much more sense to me.

[ruru]

Wait, I guess it is a belated followup to 371? OK, that makes slightly more sense

When is part 2?

[Scioness Sajj]

Ah, if you are answering me. I have quoted your post becuase it was perfect reaction to how I felt when I get back to the thread today.

But since you've answered - yeah, I'm pretty sure that it's his way of catching up. He re-reads everything and post comments as he goes.

[ruru]

Oh, I thought you were reacting to eth0s too, so I started thinking aloud.

What are your thoughts on Drixx and 372?

[Scioness Sajj]

I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254 and I think Oxy took it out of the context/misread it and ofrhz panicked? I didn't like his reaction to the posts connecting him with Oxy (on which he has a townlean/townread? i'm not sure) and he went with some posts that were putting you in the spotlight (pin had his scum pool {you, oxy, ofrhz}) and he quoted 268 yet he didn't really find a reason to interact with you all this time? Seems like distracting in a way 'look at her she is scummy, not at me'.

I will add more on this when I will get to catching up and answering things from last night.

[Scioness Sajj]

About Drixx still a null read, I see no reason for his inactivity to be considered as alignment indicative and where I agree with him he still could have scum or town motivation to say those things, so I will reevaluted after flips if needed.

[pinturicchio]

I basically don’t trust pinturrichio to not lol hammer (sorry pin I like you a lot but your play is exceedingly eccentric). And I can definitely see town pin laying down the last vote since he already thinks drixx sajj is a team so town would be at a severe disadvantage tomorrow in this case.

Hey, rude!! I'm eccentric, not stupid! I have an intention to vote, but I would NEVER hammer without a claim! And as I said, I'm not voting without explaining my read on Drixx and Scioness before, so don't worry, I wouldn't do that, and I don't think there will be a lol hammer at all, unless a PR is convinced enough and doesn't care to claim on D2, but that's a bit of a stretch.

[Oxy]

how are you feeling this morning, buddy?

[pinturicchio]

how are you feeling this morning, buddy?

Dehydrated, but much better than yesterday. Thank you for asking! How are you feeling about Skitter's suspicions on you and your townbloc?

[Oxy]

428 should clear up a lot of that. Paranoia is a town trait. We'll get there in the end. =)

[Oxy]

how are you feeling about eth0s analyzing the first of 18 pages?

[Oxy]

I was somewhat surprised, though. I laid out exactly what I wanted to do, and then the moment I did it she was like, "woah! Where did this come from?" and I'm like

[ofrhz]

I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254

Interesting. Would you like to take a stab at explaining what Drixx might have meant in that post?
I’ll wait for the rest of your thoughts before addressing it

Hey, rude!! I'm eccentric, not stupid! I have an intention to vote, but I would NEVER hammer without a claim! And as I said, I'm not voting without explaining my read on Drixx and Scioness before, so don't worry, I wouldn't do that, and I don't think there will be a lol hammer at all, unless a PR is convinced enough and doesn't care to claim on D2, but that's a bit of a stretch.

Sorry if I offended I really don’t think you’re stupid, just impulsive based on what I’ve read. What do you think of yesterday’s wagon?

[Scioness Sajj]

scumpool of {Oxy, ofrhz}
ofrhz - towny on his own, I don't like his play that much after the scumteam of Oxy/ofrhz has been mentioned, though.

I guess we’re back to this. What haven’t you liked about my gameplay?

I don’t really understand the eth0s votes, is he more likely to make this game a priority if we wagon him? Also are you guys comfortable with policy lynches?

I don't understand why you are saying 'we're back to this' I think it's my first time mentioning it?

I have sort of explained it in my post to ruru. But examples (can provide post in necessary):
1. I remember you saying to me that I have lied and I'm nervous that you are sussing me. I don't see a reason for you to state your opinions like that - you are not really asking for clarification nor are those things affecting your read on me. But they are there for some reason, perhaps you are leaving crumbs behind that you can use when it will be more beneficial to scum!ohrhz to push a case on me. Especially when I add to it that you were about to go and re-evaluate at me but backed off.
2. In 438, examples 268, 247.
3. 255 you mention two post, one from the beginning of the game and the other most current. I feel like if you genuinely didn't know what he was referring to you'd just ask which post it was. I agree that Drixx's post was vague, so if you really didn't understand what he was referring to it seems more naturally to me to just ask generic question instead of giving two examples.

You are towny on your own and on their own those things above are pretty much nai, can be just your playstyle, but when I connect them with agendas Oxy's pushing then it looks like teamplay. Solving Oxy would make it easier for me to read you and all other slots in general.

In post 438, Scioness Sajj wrote:
I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254

Interesting. Would you like to take a stab at explaining what Drixx might have meant in that post?
I’ll wait for the rest of your thoughts before addressing it

I take that back, Drixx's post is a lot more confusing than I remember it. I understand that the post is 240 and someone that pointed it out is Pin.
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In theory if eth0s was scared scum he would go back and try to save himself. But that's really weak bait/scum hunting tool. I don't think anybody with some experience would fall for this play. And if there is lynch on the empty slot then there is really little to work with next day.

I'm against PLs. If somebody isn't fun to play with they should get replaced. If people are busy they are busy and will get back or get replaced, if someone is active lurking (posting occasionally with no content) then I don't really see it as PL, same with matebased ai lurking. I'm pretty sure I'd make some expectations in specific cases, but generally no policy lynching.

[Scioness Sajj]

pff, I've messed up. my answer after dashes are for last two questions from the first quote (I assumed they were towards me, but I wasn't sure?)

[Oxy]

The most frustrating part of this game for me is reading the stream of bullshit coming from Sajj, and having none of my town reads see it.

That's not meant to be an insult, by the way. It's excellent bullshit, and I'm impressed. It's still bullshit, though.