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Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:00 pm**

In post 423, OkaPoka wrote:people who haven't placed their votes down yet, why?

That's a good question. Who hasn't placed a vote yet? Will look that up.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:02 pm**

In post 415, TrinityNZ wrote:I’m waiting for FF to reply to me about his game playing being less aggressive than normal.

I did?

In post 317, Formerfish wrote:
In post 299, TrinityNZ wrote:Sorry, not sure how I managed to post the same thing twice below.

Did I miss something - Messiah Complex is someone new?

Ok, so FF, I know my vote for you was initially a random one, but I’m now starting to think you might actually be mafia. You seem to be playing a completely different way in this game. You were really aggressive then -you were like a dog with a bone in grilling people. I know, because I was mafia, and you scared me. This game, you don’t seem to be doing that at all. You even said that you didn’t like how someone else ( I think Oka) was being aggressive. It’s just not ringing true for me, so I’m leaving my vote with you, it’s a real one now.

I was suspicious of iceman a few posts back, especially as FF was defending him, and I felt that the ‘voting IC’ post was a bit strange, but I’m happy with the explanation and his later posts, and so think he’s town.

I have scum leans towards OkaPoka, because of the scumread and vote on me, and also Flicker, and strong town lean towards Nancy. Eragon has been pretty active since coming on and has put in a lot of effort, so I’m reading town on him.
Messiah Complex is an alt i play under with my brother. When i;m not paying attention i post from there occasionally. I will try not to have another slip here.

There is a difference between being overly aggressive towards someone over a small issue, and then there is what I do. I pick a person apart once they have put enough of themselves out there for me to get a hold of. Look at how I went after 2.8 in the last game. Once I had a bone I did go straight after him and wouldnt let up. Don't you see some similarities in what I am doing with Oka right now? Like, look at that game and figure out where it is that I started going after people. It wasn't on page 3. Comparing my play to what I said about Oka is disingenuous at best and scummy at worst. If this is the scum game you would have brought into a game with me you were right to kill me night 1.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:08 pm**

I did a very light ISO of Eragon. He seems to have played before and doesn't seem like a newb to me. He hasn't posted in like 100 posts though and IDK why. He's probably had time to and he was talking bad about people who weren't active. His content is alright and nothing really immediately pings me, but I'll have to engage with them before I get a better read.

Going to ISO Ice now and see what I can find.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:12 pm**

In post 418, Quick wrote:SRing me because I am not caught up is a horrible reason to SR someone. Like, seriously?

Lets not get things twisted here. No one is scum reading you because you arent "caught up." People are scum reading you because you said that you were not going to catch up. Like not to be a dick, but why replace in if you arent going to do the work necessary to play the game correctly. Town needs to know everything going on, scum doesnt.

And as far as why someone might be scum reading you based on that fact check this gem out.

Newbie 1873

Ceejay replaces into the game and starts playing like he was caught up, then makes multiple posts about not being caught up. The way he replaced in put him on my radar and I went after him as scum. He ended up slipping away after a shite play from a townie, but we lynched him on day 3 for the town win.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:16 pm**

In post 428, Formerfish wrote:
In post 418, Quick wrote:SRing me because I am not caught up is a horrible reason to SR someone. Like, seriously?
Lets not get things twisted here. No one is scum reading you because you arent "caught up." People are scum reading you because you said that you were not going to catch up.

That's the same fucking thing, brah.

I'll do ISOs but I'm not going to read 400 posts when probably at least half of them are RVS anyways. I'm engaged now. I don't see people bringing up stuff from 5 pages ago anyway so it's not like I am missing a whole lot.

I still need to look at Stan1ey's progression.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:19 pm**

In post 429, Quick wrote:
In post 428, Formerfish wrote:
In post 418, Quick wrote:SRing me because I am not caught up is a horrible reason to SR someone. Like, seriously?
Lets not get things twisted here. No one is scum reading you because you arent "caught up." People are scum reading you because you said that you were not going to catch up.
That's the same fucking thing, brah.

I'll do ISOs but I'm not going to read 400 posts when probably at least half of them are RVS anyways. I'm engaged now. I don't see people bringing up stuff from 5 pages ago anyway so it's not like I am missing a whole lot.

I still need to look at Stan1ey's progression.

No its not the same thing, because if you are doing isos then you are making an attempt to be at least somewhat cognizant of what has gone on so far. At first you made it sound like you were going to do nothing and start playing from when you replaced in like none of what happened before mattered outside of the horrible VCA you attempted off the first 5 votes of day 1.

isos=/=nothing.
nothing=scummy
isos=/=NAI

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:20 pm**

i meant iso=NAI

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:21 pm**

In post 411, Flicker wrote:
Formerfish:
Feels like he has similar reads as me, especially feel that 347 is towny

Eragon:
Mostly based on 180 and general attitude, if you will

Um, could you give more words about those two posts that you linked? What did you like about them enough to single them out?

In post 411, Flicker wrote:Also, I feel like Formerfish and Quick aren't scum together, based on 380.

Am curious why you think this as well.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:23 pm**

OK, I did a one over on Ice. he seems to be saying stuff without really saying much. Lot of talk about the IC. Didn't like that he would PL the IC if they were alive D3. That's probably the most notable thing I saw.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:24 pm**

FF, you said ISOs are NAI. Is catching up AI?

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:33 pm**

In post 434, Quick wrote:FF, you said ISOs are NAI. Is catching up AI?

It depends. Like the game I linked I SR Ceejay based on how he replaced into the game. I wouldnt say it would be a huge dent, but someone legit not catching up in a game this small would ping me. Making an attempt, or intimating that you are, is NAI to me because its optimal play from either side. And you don't even necessarily have to do it, you just would have to worry about slipping up later after saying you were caught up. If scum have day chat then they would have all the relevant info for you there.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:37 pm**

is anyone else scumreading trinity? I feel a bit lonely. i know ice has made an indication.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:44 pm**

In post 420, Quick wrote:@nancy,

you asked me what tone reads were or something like that. I gave an example and you said that was NAI. In between where you answered I brought something else up where you used lmao again but I didn't TR you for it because it seemed to be something you do regularly. What do you make of that?

Quick, that wasn't a question, lmao. I was making a joke about the nebulous nature of tonereads. You stating a townread on me for tone means basically nothing. I don't make anything of you not townreading "lmao", it's a silly thing to read into and I literally told you that it doesn't meant anything for me lmao

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:53 pm**

@flicker do you think one of quick/ff is scum?

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:22 pm**

In post 426, Formerfish wrote:
In post 415, TrinityNZ wrote:I’m waiting for FF to reply to me about his game playing being less aggressive than normal.
I did?

In post 317, Formerfish wrote:
In post 299, TrinityNZ wrote:Sorry, not sure how I managed to post the same thing twice below.

Did I miss something - Messiah Complex is someone new?

Ok, so FF, I know my vote for you was initially a random one, but I’m now starting to think you might actually be mafia. You seem to be playing a completely different way in this game. You were really aggressive then -you were like a dog with a bone in grilling people. I know, because I was mafia, and you scared me. This game, you don’t seem to be doing that at all. You even said that you didn’t like how someone else ( I think Oka) was being aggressive. It’s just not ringing true for me, so I’m leaving my vote with you, it’s a real one now.

I was suspicious of iceman a few posts back, especially as FF was defending him, and I felt that the ‘voting IC’ post was a bit strange, but I’m happy with the explanation and his later posts, and so think he’s town.

I have scum leans towards OkaPoka, because of the scumread and vote on me, and also Flicker, and strong town lean towards Nancy. Eragon has been pretty active since coming on and has put in a lot of effort, so I’m reading town on him.
Messiah Complex is an alt i play under with my brother. When i;m not paying attention i post from there occasionally. I will try not to have another slip here.

There is a difference between being overly aggressive towards someone over a small issue, and then there is what I do. I pick a person apart once they have put enough of themselves out there for me to get a hold of. Look at how I went after 2.8 in the last game. Once I had a bone I did go straight after him and wouldnt let up. Don't you see some similarities in what I am doing with Oka right now? Like, look at that game and figure out where it is that I started going after people. It wasn't on page 3. Comparing my play to what I said about Oka is disingenuous at best and scummy at worst. If this is the scum game you would have brought into a game with me you were right to kill me night 1.

Sorry, I missed it, so you did. OK, I do see what you’re saying. I was possibly overly sensitive to your posts in the last game as I had something to hide, so had an impression of you being pretty aggressive generally.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:35 pm**

In post 436, OkaPoka wrote:is anyone else scumreading trinity? I feel a bit lonely. i know ice has made an indication.

In isolation to this game the best I could do so far is neutral. So far my scale is below.

Town - nancy Formerfish
Lean Town - Ergon
Nuetral - Trinity Flicker Stanley
Lean Scum - Oka
Scum - Quick

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:38 pm**

In post 440, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 436, OkaPoka wrote:is anyone else scumreading trinity? I feel a bit lonely. i know ice has made an indication.
In isolation to this game the best I could do so far is neutral. So far my scale is below.

Town - nancy Formerfish
Lean Town - Ergon
Nuetral - Trinity Flicker Stanley
Lean Scum - Oka
Scum - Quick

why aren't you voting tho

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:39 pm**

In post 440, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 436, OkaPoka wrote:is anyone else scumreading trinity? I feel a bit lonely. i know ice has made an indication.
In isolation to this game the best I could do so far is neutral. So far my scale is below.

Town - nancy Formerfish
Lean Town - Ergon
Nuetral - Trinity Flicker Stanley
Lean Scum - Oka
Scum - Quick

I really hope you have other reasons for SRing me besides "Quick isn't getting caught up!!1!!1!1one"

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:41 pm**

sorry guys, I was sleeping, woke up early, and went to a golf tournament and am finally home.

I will be catching up but I saw someone say something about voting...

I will say this here and now, I am NOT a believer in pressure votes.
When I vote somebody it is because I have a strong belief they will flip scum.
yesterday, I felt like Oka and flicker were both scummy enough to warrant a vote, but me voting would've put them at L-2(iirc)
and I dont think L-2 is a good spot rn because it normally warrants a claim, and claiming this early into the game is bleh, and the game devolves into Neanderthals fighting over which claim people believe

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:46 pm**

In post 327, OkaPoka wrote:idk, guess didn't find them suspicious enough to scumread and throw my vote on a growing wagon

suspicious = scum, no?

I understand the "growing wagon" stuff

In post 331, nancy wrote:Um.

I'm not talking about your vote. You said "flicker seems a bit defensive but nothing concrete yet", then your next post you were like, odds are the mafia team doesn't include Flicker. That doesn't make sense if you actually suspected Flicker.

yep

In post 336, nancy wrote:
In post 123, OkaPoka wrote:im not really seeing flicker scum rn
This is also a thing.

Um.

would Oka be considered 180'ing or Fencesitting right here?(game theory question, not for actual game)

In post 345, OkaPoka wrote:also started to scumread flicker more cuz peer pressure and my solid town were scumreading him

lol...

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:47 pm**

its a 180

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:55 pm**

In post 435, Formerfish wrote:
In post 434, Quick wrote:FF, you said ISOs are NAI. Is catching up AI?
It depends. Like the game I linked I SR Ceejay based on how he replaced into the game. I wouldnt say it would be a huge dent, but someone legit not catching up in a game this small would ping me. Making an attempt, or intimating that you are, is NAI to me because its optimal play from either side. And you don't even necessarily have to do it, you just would have to worry about slipping up later after saying you were caught up. If scum have day chat then they would have all the relevant info for you there.

You know, after thinking about it, this seems like a completely different kind of read that you are describing besides simply getting caught up. You are describing how Ceejay was inconsistent in a Scummy way, and I'd wager that this kind of thing actually has little to do with whether he was caught up or not. It's a Scummy contradiction that could happen whether he was getting caught up or not.. It's not specific to getting caught up necessarily.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:56 pm**

Spoiler:

In post 382, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 344, Quick wrote:Basically I think there's a good chance of Scum in FF and Flicker, don't know why that is difficult to understand.
Yes, finally, someone else seeing scum in FF.

this sounds like scum, err like
"oh I want to push a mis-lynch here but no one else scum reads him oh shit finally someone scum reads him yay lets all be happy and Lynch him"

In post 384, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 375, Quick wrote:
In post 367, OkaPoka wrote:yeah this is def a stunt i'd pulled only to be forced to reread the game later
question is will quick actually reread the game

@quick how much do you stick to your morals
Not very well, unfortunately, because I have zero self-disipline.
well does that mean you will go back on your word saying you wont catch up if you become a viable lynch?
In post 376, nancy wrote:
In post 372, OkaPoka wrote:uh trinity's recent post don't seem to disprove my theory tho
Lmao this is certainly a wording

trinity's recent postings do not seem to disprove my theory that trinity is not being proactive and trying to actively engage with others*

first part = ???
second, ok, but is not being pro-active a specific scum-tell?
(if its some sort of meta thing lmk, but ive seen town slack off before and I dont think its very NAI.[a little maybe, but not too much, and not this early game])

In post 392, OkaPoka wrote:Pretty sure I believe what I'm saying.

I'm throwing shade on you cuz I isod you.after abandoning Iceman case, think I found a decent scum chance here, hoping it would gain traction and yeah I guess I don't want to be lynched, but does anyone? As for the heat, I mean interacting directly.with others is the easiest way to develop reads on them for me

if you scum read someone dont beat around the bush, if you think you find a scum, push, dont shade
other than that, ok.

In post 393, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 392, OkaPoka wrote:Pretty sure I believe what I'm saying.

I'm throwing shade on you cuz I isod you.after abandoning Iceman case, think I found a decent scum chance here, hoping it would gain traction and yeah I guess I don't want to be lynched, but does anyone? As for the heat, I mean interacting directly.with others is the easiest way to develop reads on them for me
OK but you’re going down the wrong track with me, you should be directing your energies to someone who actually looks like scum. That’s why you’re looking a bit suspicious

but he does think you look like scum, and instead of just brushing his read off, are you able to actually do something about it?
also, I find OMGUS normally flips scum more often than town

In post 395, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 394, nancy wrote:Uhm. I don't understand this approach from you at all Trinity. What.
i guess I’m just not understanding why OkaPoka is scum reading me, I don’t think I’ve given any reasons for it. I’m suggesting that we instead look for the actual scum.

but Oka does think you are the actual scum

In post 399, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 384, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 375, Quick wrote:
In post 367, OkaPoka wrote:yeah this is def a stunt i'd pulled only to be forced to reread the game later
question is will quick actually reread the game

@quick how much do you stick to your morals
Not very well, unfortunately, because I have zero self-disipline.
well does that mean you will go back on your word saying you wont catch up if you become a viable lynch?
In post 376, nancy wrote:
In post 372, OkaPoka wrote:uh trinity's recent post don't seem to disprove my theory tho
Lmao this is certainly a wording

trinity's recent postings do not seem to disprove my theory that trinity is not being proactive and trying to actively engage with others*
Nancy, in this posts oka said I’m not being proactive and I’m not trying to engage with others. I don’t think this is true.

and what are you gonna do about it? are you going to prove him wrong? are you gonna become more proactive?

if you are town your goal is to be towny(same as scum I suppose) but if someone scum reads me, I would try to get the SR off me.
so I suggest you do the same

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:57 pm**

In post 445, OkaPoka wrote:its a 180

ok ty

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:59 pm**

In post 443, Eragon wrote:sorry guys, I was sleeping, woke up early, and went to a golf tournament and am finally home.

I will be catching up but I saw someone say something about voting...

I will say this here and now, I am NOT a believer in pressure votes.
When I vote somebody it is because I have a strong belief they will flip scum.
yesterday, I felt like Oka and flicker were both scummy enough to warrant a vote, but me voting would've put them at L-2(iirc)
and I dont think L-2 is a good spot rn because it normally warrants a claim, and claiming this early into the game is bleh, and the game devolves into Neanderthals fighting over which claim people believe

Usually it's L-1 with an intent to hammer that necessitates a claim, not L-2. Where did you get that idea from anyway?

You are saying that you only vote with intent to lynch. How does changing your reads factor into that? AFAICT, playing without pressure votes is sub-optimal because like I just said, your reads are likely to change so if you are just voting to lynch then that takes away any kind of soft stance you might have on someone.

What is your read on Ice?

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