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In post 421, RadiantCowbells wrote:

We have played a single game together where I was scum and he was town and he locktowned me.

I would Lynch him outright for his play thus far.

Are you talking about me or Reck here
I have a lot of negative feelings about you as a player rn so my short answer for your slot is "let Shoshin figure it out, re-evaluate d2"
Independently I'm slightly scumreading you so far but I can't tell how much of that is my feelings so like I said

I'm talking about reckoner, not you.

ok

Creature where you at?
Calling me out then going awol
rude

I also don't know what I've done to you, but okay.

Yeah I'll get over it by D2, can't talk about it anyway, it's fine

Also varsoon jump over to me was incredibly opportunistic

He calls me town and tries to pocket me, when it doesn't work he comes up with this 'oh I can't townread RC when he's doing x' rationale, then randomly decides to 180 on me while contradicting himself in terms of me going from most active to having done less than kokichi to get himself on a wagon with momentum.

I want to call reckoner scum but this is no worse than I'd expect from town him.

Getting rather tired of games like this

what makes this game "like this"

Eh only answer that if the answer is interesting/helpful to understanding the game state I guess

The amount of votes on me

Have another vote!

Also hey my once infallible memory is kicking in

I incorrectly tunneled him in this game many years ago and his reaction was ridiculously, ridiculously different than here. Varsoon in general knows the way I play, this isn't something he'd scumread me for, and there's a lot of scum motivation for 180ing here.

All that said I'm just eh about everything right now

In post 430, RadiantCowbells wrote: He calls me town and tries to pocket me, when it doesn't work he comes up with this 'oh I can't townread RC when he's doing x' rationale

Where do I do any of this?
Also now that you've called reck scum you're literally OMGUS'ing your whole wagon.
I know the way you play and you're very, very dishonest this game, and it bothers the fuck out of me.
Also--is it really 'opportunistic' to explain a scum read that's clearly developed over the course of several clear interactions and then vote there, aligning my vote with one of my most confident townreads?
It sounds like you're just trying to discredit your wagon and you're literally making up fiction to do so.


What would you like me to answer?
It's weird that you're voting me and simultaneously all "Oh, this is where I would see scum jumping on this wagon."

Also, damn, apologies for being the first person to drop an ACTUAL CASE on a player this game, it blows my mind that so many people think it's bad but don't spend any fucking time detailing .

I'm also very happy that Reckoner came in to reaffirm his vote, it does a lot to minimize RC's whole "Reck's in a hurricane he isn't a part of the game lol disregard that I am the leading wagon" discrediting."

If you think Shoshin is gullible who's tricking her?
Who do you think duped her into thinking Reck isn't reading?

What causes your townread of Reck to be so strong? (sorry if I've missed the answer to this somewhere)

What were you saying about Shoshin in 303?

What made you feel the need to apologize for tone?

In post 436, Varsoon wrote:It's weird that you're voting me and simultaneously all "Oh, this is where I would see scum jumping on this wagon."

Is it weird? I don't know your alignment, so I have to keep both things in my head. Why is it weird?

In post 436, Varsoon wrote:Also, damn, apologies for being the first person to drop an ACTUAL CASE on a player this game, it blows my mind that so many people think it's bad but don't spend any fucking time detailing why.

I can see why this would be frustrating you. Does this say something about the alignment of the players scumreading you? Or does it maybe suggest you're just wrong about Kokichi? Or is there any other conclusion you can draw from this frustration?

Varsoon there's two ways this can go from here

1) you fuck off and go vote someone else. I do the same. If we're both town this helps everyone

Or

2) I lynch you. You cannot prevent this. If you're town, reck double vote plus scum votes probably kill me tomorrow.

I said what I did regarding Reck because it was better than saying the truth because I don't want to make this game toxic.

does porkens town play like this? His gamma vote is so bad too.

In post 402, Varsoon wrote:@Skitter: Nah, you're cool, no worries.
I guess the question you gotta ask yourself is--would scum give themselves obvious backtracks or present more confident reads, especially when they know they could do so and just be seen as inane for it?
Real talk, those are my reads and I'm working to build more confidence one way or another here.

k good

i don't know how to answer that question in general because i think it's very context/personality dependant, and you from here and splatoon seem very confident + opinionated so i was kinda surprised that u have like no strong/confident reads on anyone; like i can understand being wavering on some but on all seems like a red flag to me

but i also think that i've seen this before a few times and was scumreading those people ... but i don't think any of those people were actually scum in the end; the main time i call to mind was someone that scum!rc was deliberately trying to get me to scumread and got me to mislynch her for him so i guess this isn't such a great precendent

so overall this prob isn't a good thing to scumread u for

i am still a little confused about why ur tone towards me is so different from like everyone else but that could be a by-product of the rc/kokichi thing, idk

can u talk about your meta with porkens and what u were trying/expecting to get out of 81 in light of that?

UNVOTE: for now i think

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In post 413, SirCakez wrote:The progression from 321 to the Varsoon vote doesn't make sense to me.

???

what part of it confuses you? i thought i explained myself pretty well ...

In post 413, SirCakez wrote:How is my scumread on you overblown? I've commented on it, like, twice.

i can understand why u didn't like my entrance; it wasnt't particularly awesome or anything

i don't really get why ur objecting to the nsg vote and i don't really get why ur objecting to the varsoon vote tho

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In post 417, Irrelephant11 wrote:I would like to begin this post by saying that RC would totally Russell Hantz it on Survivor and while he is still a townread he is not locktown anymore. There, I said it. Moving on.

yeah this is kinda what i'm thinking too

i still think that irrel is town

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In post 422, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think it's not impossible that reck/varsoon is just SvS

i don't really see it?

i also don't really see varsoon/kokichi or varsoon/porkens for that matter

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In post 424, Porkens wrote:I’m null/towny to you but you perceive that I’ll be an easy wagon.

uh i've never played with porkens before but is it normal for him to read things this badly?

like gamma didn't say this

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In post 430, RadiantCowbells wrote:He calls me town and tries to pocket me, when it doesn't work

where did this happen?

i feel like both of ur understandings of that argument are kinda overblown or dramatic but i kinda at least see where varsoon is coming from and i can see it match what actually happened

but i don't think this is an accurate representation of that argument from u

Idrc what you think is an accurate representation.

ok

Initially, I felt they were just taking Reck at face value--I read Reck's "I am not reading the game" post as a means of lying low and avoiding having to engage with the last 4 pages he had claimed not to read.
After that, though, when the wagon started rolling on me, Shoshin was pretty forthright with why they were scumreading me and a lot of it seemed influenced by the huge response I got from Kokichi and others.
It's not so much of a 'gullible' as in 'will believe anything, is being duped', but more like 'this player is sincere and is assuming sincerity from others', if that makes sense?

There's setup-spec reasons that are somewhat weak, role-related reasons that are a bit stronger, but the biggest things are that Reck has a lot of confidence in his vote, has reaffirmed that confidence, and has played a pretty safe/disengaged game despite calling some people out on scummy play. It comes together to make me feel that he's a town player that's taking calculated risks.

Shoshin read Reck's post about not reading, believed it, and didn't attack it/wasn't super critical of it--that play is very reflective of Shoshin's game approach and, likely, their alignment.

My tone seems to have been giving skitter issues with read clarity on my slot, and I know that my infrequent schedule is likely to add to that. I was apologizing mostly for not being able to be here consistently, though, since I feel like consistent play is one of the best means of producing content that'll get you read clearly.

It's weird that you aren't more critical of people that jumped on at that point and are instead complicit in wagoning me. If you really think that's where scum would be jumping on, who do you see as scum jumping on at that point and why? I understand the focus on me--you don't have a townread on me and want to push me for that, but it feels a little at odds with the statement about seeing me as a player scum would jump on re:my case on Kokichi. It's like "Oh this is where scum would jump on Varsoon. Time to vote Varsoon." I'm not saying you're scum for doing it, but that it is a weird thing to say.

I don't know that it says I'm wrong on Kokichi as much as it indicates that people want to discredit my voice in this game. It seems like something that's easy to parrot a bunch and build a wagon out of because then town players who didn't like the casing could also vote there because apparently bad/awful play/reasoning = scum reasoning and the more people lean on it being 'bad' without critiquing the more people are likely to see it as bad for any given reason. I initially thought Kokichi was scum for perpetuating it, but Kokichi actually did a lot of trying to engage with my points and explain why they didn't make sense to him, which is why I put my vote on RadiantCowbells, who wasn't doing any of that engagement but was still drumming up the 'worst play of all time' 'gamethrower varsoon' situation.

I'll take the third option. I keep my vote on you because you're my highest confidence scum read. I don't negotiate with terrorists.

In my experience, Porkens is far more madcap and frustrating.

See my comment at SirCakez about Porkens play and my history there. I've faked guilties against him because I wanted his slot lynched so much due to frustration/perceived trolling. I was trying to see how Porkens would respond to a straightforward question about alignment--I felt a 'trolling' sort of answer or a straightforward response would be more likely to come from town-Porkens. Mostly, I was hoping to find a point of engagement with a player I had a stark memory of recently playing with, not just to inform my own reads, but also to start to get engaged with the game.

In post 443, RadiantCowbells wrote:Idrc what you think is an accurate representation.

This is not a town response to multiple players calling out a false narrative.

In post 420, Irrelephant11 wrote:What's your read on RC currently?
Also @Reck how good are you at reading RC in general?

oh im not good at this game or reading people at all, i just get lucky a lot
i parked both votes on RC because of what happened in team mafia, plain & simple

oh
sure

ummmm but why did you use up your double vote power so early?

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