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In post 377, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Lady Angel: 3 posts, 2 of which are RVS. The other is a question that could be answered by reading the game.

Scumlean for lurking.

from my one game with her i don't think that's ai for her. or, at least, town!her does that also

In post 377, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Enter: I had a townlean here,

but it's a scumlean now

after an iso. My own reads confuse me sometimes.

why ....

branson, do you (and/or this alt) use meta?

In post 380, Branson wrote:1. I believe #70 post is the scummiest post in the entire game so far, minus other posts that came by later... which are also by the same slot (and I will get to those later).
1a. The question to flubber is an empty nothing question.
1b. Too much detail on the Enter quote. I found it bizarre that you felt the need to call that post manipulative and his interactions with Brigitte not SvS after you asked a lot of questions about that one single quote.
1c. Your response to #42 was another empty nothing question.
1d. I really don't like how you felt the need to predate a question to u r a person 2 with stating that you think he's town.

1.a well, sort of. i agree that the question wasn't particularly significant, and that it's answer wasn't that important, but that's not why i asked it - i like to get out of rvs as soon as possible and i believe that the best way to do that is to start pushing anything that looks remotely interesting or that looks like someone has formed some sort of opinion; that way we start to generate discussion. you're right, why tris thoguth flubber's rvs post was scum-indicative really isn't that important or intersting in the broader context of the game, but it's the first post that i felt was more interesting than the typical banal rvs posts, so i used that to start a discussion

1.b. i mean i elaborated why i thought that later, but yes, i think that post was manipulative (and he finally admitted as such like a hundred posts later! that he was trying to get her to join the reck wagon, which is what i picked up on) and the dialogue between them on that page is not svs-indicative. i don't entirely know what your problem with this point is actually

1.c. i didn't (and still don't) know what 'hardcore voting' means; i'm not sure why asking clarification on vocabulary is an empty question

1.d well initially the 'urap' might be town line was going to get it's own section but as i continued reading i realized i wanted to respond to one of his posts so i just lumped all the urap bits into the same section (the '==''s in my wallposts denote sections)

all in all i don't know you're reading this is a scummy post honestly

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In post 380, Branson wrote:2. It was made pretty obvious pretty fast what Enter was trying to do (and Brigitte even explained it here), and yet you kept pushing the same case even beyond that. Your overall play up to where I have stopped reading is to push on Enter's 31->34 trajectory for as much as you can get away with, and I don't feel like the way you're approaching it is natural since I'm seeing you occasionally make somewhat nuanced stances and points (70, 89 132), yet the other parts of your ISO for this stage in the game is essentially arguing the same points over and over again without applying that same nuance to what everyone else is telling you. It's jarring.

a. how much of the game have you read?

b. yes, because the sequence of 31-34 was atrocious; that's why i kept pushing it. i did *not* intially read those posts the way briggite did, and did not get that vibe from enter's posts until fairly later on. i was particularly bothered that 31 felt manipulative (which nobody else agreed to), and he admitted to it being such later. i didn't feel like his sudden read change on reck was explained by wanting to wagon people; the two things didn't seem much connected to me.
after talking with him for a while, i finally got out of him that:

1. he wanted to wagon random people and initially picked reck for that wagon
2. he wanted to convince other people to join these wagons
3. he went back to read reck's posts after brigitte indicated she didn't find reck's posts ai (which, in turn, prompted the read change between the two posts)

and all of these *together* make sense and explain what was going on there satisfactorily imo. i did not feel like brigitte's eplanation explaned the manipulativeness, which is why i discarded it. it took a while for me to get all of the pieces that i was looking for, and once i got it, i dropped it

In post 380, Branson wrote:3. These three posts are the other biggest source of my scumread outside of #70. Brigitte was clearly talking about the 31->34 shift when she said the consistency wasn't scummy, and I find it a bit hard to believe that it would naturally occur in a town mindset to respond to that with what is essentially "yeah the progression isn't scummy but both parts of it are scummy!" especially when you call it scummy anyways six posts later.

in a vaccuum, i don't find changing reads to be scummy.

i find *indicating taht a lack of ai content on page2 is scummy* to be scummy, because a lack of ai content on page 2 isn't ai, and it's ridiculous to suggest that it is. i also think that modulating that stance after being rebuffed trying to sell it to someone else is scummy

the fact that he changed his read on reck isn't inherently a problem, it's the fact that it came in that context.

In post 385, Enter wrote:4. I'm sorry I haven't really read what you're posting, Branson, there's a lot going on right now (but I think that's really good for town). What do you think of Reck next to Skitter? I do think the next move should be to wagon me over skitter, though, just because a lot of people seem to be scumreading me right now, my play tends to be a lot less gambitty when I'm under the eye and maybe if people trust me a little more I can get back to pushing things for reads. Maybe this is selfish of me, but I hate having to try and look town while also trying to do things that make town look good.

i'm pretty sure this is town

In post 424, u r a person 2 wrote:Gonna come back to this exchange later with a clear head, but I could see this being a play style clash I guess

yeah i kinda read your argument as a playstyle clash tbh

Alright. This doesn't change about NMSA, but let's try something new.

VOTE: chara

Your read on me is bad, and I don't like how you undercut it by talking about how you've misread me in the past. You also seemed more engaged in Starcraft:2 - giving enter a town read without reading the majority of his posts does not jive with the feeling I got from you there.

Would you please talk to me about your enter read, or any other read you're feeling good about?

i think Enter can be town from making multiple posts i think are very town from Enter, even if i haven't read his entire ISO.
in reading the rest of your conversation with him i haven't had a reason to rethink that. everything i've seen him doing so far is consistent with town Enter who likes to push wagons he finds fruitful, that i just experienced. i'd be pretty surprised to see him scum here.

i don't find it fair to compare my play here in early game when i've said i'm busy irl to my play in Starcraft 2.

i still haven't read the entire game here, and i probably won't. i'll read it in parts as i find it relevant. there's no point in trying to get a read on the entire game, it's not going to happen right now. what i can do is pursue reads that i feel i can get somewhere with.

my read on wmsa independent of you is closer to null, but leaning townish. i don't agree that this is an "evolution of his scumgame" because i simply don't believe it's possible to tell that from so little meta. but i hadn't realized you'd correctly pegged him as town in his towngame, and then correctly done so when he was scum. i thought you were going back and comparing his play after the fact.

the continued conversation between u2 and Enter makes me want to pit u2 as town as well. i need to actually dig into that later but i have other things to do.

i don't know anything about tris besides join date, but i'm guessing that's either someone's alt or someone with experience. i wish i had a read there, was going to say tris is pinging me a bit but the request for questions directed towards them feels towny to me and it might just be the question-heavy style i don't like.

skitter: do you happen to have a read on me? i lack a good one on you.

very very very faintly gut-town but i can't articulate why super well; i think a couple of your posts are pinging me as being similar to those in xtoxm's game

it's not a strong read rn tho, and not one that i'm putting any particular stock in

it also took me a while in both prey and coalition to form a solid read on you so i'm fine waiting for a bit, especially since you said you don't ahve super much time now to play anyways

hopefully i will soon. school and work combined have just been a lot.
i won't be able to properly read you until i can really jump in here, but thanks for the answer.

that's fair

i guess one of the reasons why i was hesitant for nmsa to be at l-1 is that it felt too close to getting ready to end the day for me, and i feel like there's solid chunks of the player list that i just have no read on whatsoever, and i don't really want to go into night without having a read on large numbers of players

i still don't really have a good feel for: chara, lady angel, branson, nimueh, reck, flubbernugget

Skitter, what's your WIM level this game? Is there anyone in this list you'd really like to impress? You don't have to tell me who.

What is WIM?

Want It More, so how hungry one is to win the game

In post 437, u r a person 2 wrote:Skitter, what's your WIM level this game? Is there anyone in this list you'd really like to impress? You don't have to tell me who.

my wim/interest in the game is pretty high, but i started a new job last week so the amount of time/energy i can put into this has decreased; i'm limiting myself to only one game rn

i'm not sure if i really want to impress anyone? i dont' know if i think about the game that way at all; i don't know if i've ever really started a game thinking - wow i want to impress person A. i'm not even sure i know what 'impress' means in this context tbh

i did just finish a game though where i was hilariously obvtown and while i'm not specifically going out of my way to try to replicate that, i am kinda taking special note of how people are reading me and why to try to figure out what i'm doing to make that happen sometimes, if that makes sense, especially since i've been getting a lot of townreads here that i'm not entirely sure are deserved

i *do* kinda want to see if i can read chara correctly again because at the end of that game we correctly townread each other and were working super super super well together and if they're town here i'd love for that to happen again

idk i hope that answers your question. why'd you ask me this?

I appreciate the long answer. I know from you and conversations with not you that you can do the whole real time interaction bit as scum, but that you don't like to and I was wondering if you had a reason to really want this win

i think you're town af tho

i mean i guess i can do real-time for some measure of the word 'can'. like as scum i can do it if i really really really have to and know that i won't get townread by certain people if i don't but i hate it and avoid it whenever possible and in some playerlists i can get by just fine without that and so just wouldn't bother; this is probably one such playerlist tbh

(aside i'm kinda curious where your impression of my meta stems from, but you don't have to share that if you don't want to)

and by that metric i'm probably out of my range already, or at the very least am fairly close to it, but there aren't that many people in this pl that i'd particularly expect to know that

and i guess i might as well get to where i've been leading up to wrt branson: she was my scumbuddy in one of my recent 'good' scumgames (gerrymandering) and i think this game is already sufficiently different from that one that i'm kinda surprised that she's scumreading me here tbh

and i guess in a general sense i don't really have wim for scumgames, at best i just don't want to lose, i don't have much desire to win

I spoke with TW about your game while we were both /in'd to this. He thinks highly of you =)

Yeah he was going go be my guess

that bit about wanting to work well together (but actually win this time) applies to me here too.

now that i look at it again, nmsa's read on Nimueh is sort of strange to me. finding reasons to vote nmsa is bad according to nsma, but the slight scumlean comes from lurking instead of that?

i wanna put a townlean on Nimueh here, actually. i don't know how to best explain it except that she's being very straightforward in her intentions. and that's regardless of nmsa's alignment, but most of my reads tend to be like that.
night.

I have my wifi back, now. I've been reading everything using my phone, but now i need look back at some things, maybe come up with some reads, don't have much time right now, but I'll see if there's anything that catches my eye.

In post 428, skitter30 wrote: 1.a well, sort of. i agree that the question wasn't particularly significant, and that it's answer wasn't that important, but that's not why i asked it - i like to get out of rvs as soon as possible and i believe that the best way to do that is to start pushing anything that looks remotely interesting or that looks like someone has formed some sort of opinion; that way we start to generate discussion. you're right, why tris thoguth flubber's rvs post was scum-indicative really isn't that important or intersting in the broader context of the game, but it's the first post that i felt was more interesting than the typical banal rvs posts, so i used that to start a discussion

Oh, I forgot to respond to your question there. I actually didn't find anything about Flubber to be scum there. It was completely RVS.

In post 433, Chara wrote: i don't know anything about tris besides join date, but i'm guessing that's either someone's alt or someone with experience. i wish i had a read there, was going to say tris is pinging me a bit but the request for questions directed towards them feels towny to me and it might just be the question-heavy style i don't like.

Yeah, I have a previous account. This is now my new main. So, I have some experience, but I hadn't had a lot of games, and they were a long time ago, so I'm still somewhat inexperienced.

Actually, I'm tired, and need to go to bed.