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In post 411, skitter30 wrote:... do you not know that n0's aren't a thing in normals or ...?

yeah, i was aware it was a joke lol

that's why i suggested we let it self resolve, so we could move on

go reread the whole bit it will make sense i promise

In post 422, Vorkuta wrote:

In post 417, skitter30 wrote:and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

great now you as well... again

In post 14, Vorkuta wrote:Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

ok
and did the 3 fake ones come from town or scum?

In post 421, u r a person 2 wrote:

In post 387, skitter30 wrote:never played with him, idk his meta
good tone, some of his posts just feel really townie, don't think scum decide to lolwagon someone they'd just declared a scumread; they're usually more conscientious about this sort of thing

that's part of my town read on vorkuta, ya =P

yeah but vork is missing the good tone
and he's pushed two different wagons for icky reasons now

also @vork i was townreading u in c9++, but also wasn't thinking about u too much
don't think i actually scumread u in jazz so much as pushed u as a semi-compromise when my other wagons stalled until ur wagon became gross and i left it

incidentally i like the wagon comp

wut id urap is just scum that knows Vork is town?

In post 417, skitter30 wrote:i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

Is town fake claiming miller a thing?

like, if it's good for town to honestly claim miller, then it's also good for scum to sometimes fakeclaim miller. I pretty confident cinn is town, but if cinn isn't a miller, then they are probably scum not town. Even if you disagree with that, i don't think it's nuts for someone to approach it that way.

it's nice to have you here btw =)

In post 426, skitter30 wrote:and did the 3 fake ones come from town or scum?

I've never seen town fake-claim miller. All the fake miller claims came from scum
And ONCE AGAIN
It's not the "Im miller" claim about bunny that irked me.
It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

In post 427, skitter30 wrote:yeah but vork is missing the good tone

In post 401, Vorkuta wrote:You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?

In post 428, Nero Cain wrote:wut id urap is just scum that knows Vork is town?

seems very improbable

In post 429, u r a person 2 wrote:

In post 417, skitter30 wrote:i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

Is town fake claiming miller a thing?

like, if it's good for town to honestly claim miller, then it's also good for scum to sometimes fakeclaim miller. I pretty confident cinn is town, but if cinn isn't a miller, then they are probably scum not town. Even if you disagree with that, i don't think it's nuts for someone to approach it that way.

it's nice to have you here btw =)

i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

maybe i don't have a good sense for how vork plays?

and thanks

In post 430, Vorkuta wrote:It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

In post 432, skitter30 wrote:i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

Well I haven't *shrugs*
Unless you count the town!FL's "tinker tailor soldier spy, miller mason vig cop" nonsense in every game

In post 434, skitter30 wrote:... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

Oh boy I swear I've explained this so well that even fucking bunny himself gets it by now
-to subvert the traditional "naked miller claim" and put a new spin on it
-to provide "LAMIST" insurance in the form of "IM MODIFIED"
-to gain even more "LAMIST" points via the "hey guys, I'm totally keeping scum guessing amirite" appeal
-how the hell should I know what ridiculous/next-level plan they came up with?

In post 434, skitter30 wrote:

In post 430, Vorkuta wrote:It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

i don't understand. it's like any fake claim.if you're gonna fake claim miller you better do it right away

In post 423, u r a person 2 wrote:

In post 400, teacher wrote:Actually add BuJ to my townreads too. That was the slot who put words to what I thought urap and I were already doing in response to the cinnamon push. I also like many of the other posts.

Can you help me find town here because I think this is scum

otherwise im gonna push it

Ive given my TRs so far. If you have questions, ask. If you disagree, raise it. But I cant help you more than what Ive done without a reaction to play with.

In post 435, Vorkuta wrote:

In post 432, skitter30 wrote:i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

Well I haven't *shrugs*
Unless you count the town!FL's "tinker tailor soldier spy, miller mason vig cop" nonsense in every game

In post 434, skitter30 wrote:... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

Oh boy I swear I've explained this so well that even fucking bunny himself gets it by now
-to subvert the traditional "naked miller claim" and put a new spin on it
-to provide "LAMIST" insurance in the form of "IM MODIFIED"
-to gain even more "LAMIST" points via the "hey guys, I'm totally keeping scum guessing amirite" appeal
-how the hell should I know what ridiculous/next-level plan they came up with?

so the important bit is that i find it significantly more likely for the modified thing to come from town who has some sort of compound/modifier role, than scum deciding to try out a new spin on ye old fake miller claim. also they're new to the site ... i find it really hard to believe that they knew how to subvert the 'fake-claim miller as scum' meta in just that way in one of their first games here - like it reads really authentic, and i'd be p surprised if new-to-the-site scum could fake it in a way that rang true like that

and i don't think the modified claim read as lamist at all, it read p real to me

where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?

In post 436, u r a person 2 wrote:

In post 434, skitter30 wrote:

In post 430, Vorkuta wrote:It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

i don't understand. it's like any fake claim.if you're gonna fake claim miller you better do it right away

no, the modified 'miller is only part of my role' part, not the fake-claiming miller part

In post 141, NerfedBuJ wrote:

In post 6, Vorkuta wrote:Hello again to nom x3, Buj, Skitter, urap2, Dunn, NC, and Pika
Heyo to the rest of you!

I am ending RVS right here and right now
VOTE: No Lynch

Me as a person: hello

Me as a player: *sigh* you rolled scum again didn't you

This read couched in a joke pings me. like, why undercut the read if it's real

In post 145, NerfedBuJ wrote:Haven't finished reading and in an emergency meeting with my boss (a workaholic SOB), but yeah I'm pretty confident cinnamon is town or an exceptional actor because that claim and subsequent posts up to him realizing that he does in fact have a modifier and not 2 roles seems very genuine, I don't think that's how lying looks like.

I am still pro-PL'ing millers before lylo so we"ll discuss again when we're closer to lylo.

I agree with the analysis of course, but the tone + the pl comment feels like a tmi read

I have to reply directly inside your wall because lol

In post 438, skitter30 wrote:so the important bit is that i find it significantly more likely for the modified thing to come from town who has some sort of compound/modifier role, than scum deciding to try out a new spin on ye old fake miller claim.

I fundamentally disagree with this point, but I've already made my point clear. It's already obvious that I'm not going to be able to convince the town majority so I'm left with being 100% anti-town in blindly stubbornly hypertunneling this, or

also they're new to the site

but by bunny's own admission, quite experienced with mafia in general

... i find it really hard to believe that they knew how to subvert the 'fake-claim miller as scum' meta in just that way in one of their first games here

*RAGE* HE HAS TEAMMATES

- like it reads really authentic, and i'd be p surprised if new-to-the-site scum

that's the thing- I'm also kind of a newbie (young and fresh enough to remember my newbie days) and if I rolled scum in my first... 7? games, I'd totally love to pull this off

could fake it in a way that rang true like that

and i don't think the modified claim read as lamist

I hate his "visible thought process" like 'hey guys so I have this role, what do I do with it" "oh NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS ROLL" "oh I'm sorry guys, my bad" "teehee, LAMIST for trying to figure out my win-condition and optimum way to play this role

at all, it read p real to me

In post 148, NerfedBuJ wrote:How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

The facetious second sentence kind of softens the idea that buj is using this as a defense, but this is a way of swiping the legs out from under vork saying his entrance was scummy.

In post 223, NerfedBuJ wrote:It makes sense to me and that is how I play. We will likely lynch all scum before we get to it anyway. If you are against it when I bring it up again later in the game we can debate then.

tmi about cinn again? probably a stretch

In post 226, NerfedBuJ wrote:Actually urap.. I think nom is town and you feel like you're gauging people's feelings to get a sense for the starus quo.

VOTE: u r a person

That should answer your question regardless of what you were referring to.

this is weird because he all of a sudden has a town read there, but then immediately after agrees with me (and vork, whom he had criticized for the rating) that nom had a scummy response?

I think his misunderstanding over what i was asking led to him tripping up when he had to answer it because he put the town read on nom

In post 148, NerfedBuJ wrote:How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

A50- Jazz mafia
Literally waltzes in and says "hi I'm scum" in his very first post.
Eats rope.
Is actually scum

In post 439, skitter30 wrote:no, the modified 'miller is only part of my role' part, not the fake-claiming miller part

I agree that the way cinn rolled it out was townie as hell

and i dunno what the scum modified part would be lol could be whatever for whatever plan

@vork ok but then he decided to enter the game with his partners and be like: 'hey i'm going to lolclaim miller for the lolz, help me modify the claim so it's not the standard claim, and help me make the claim nuanced enough that it doesn't read fake' ?

none of it reads planned to me, and i find that scenario p unlikely

In post 447, u r a person 2 wrote:for whatever plan

towncred