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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:32 am
by Hectic
In post 422, Espeonage wrote:Hectic's 180 on Norway for no reason is reading really poorly to me. I still feel that Norway effectively scum slipped. I agree with Aaron that I do not see what Hectic was seeing which makes it worse.
Back of my mind is that I am wrong on Norway being lock scum bc Hectic's trajectory is very scum indicative with the hard push in to White Knight territory.
A thought that has just occurred is that clidd's play can make sense if clidd is a traitor and looking to effectively 'ask' the wolf who the traitor is. Like death tunnelling for no reason on someone, looking for a reaction from the wolf and then moving on depending on the reaction. :/
Why "no reason"? I did a meta check and found something he only does as town and never as scum; I'd say that's a pretty good reason. Is the scumslip referring to his first post?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:34 am
by Hectic
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:34 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 424, Espeonage wrote:I think overall, there is far too much of people town reading people town reading them and scum reading people scum reading them.
It's really hard to read potential pocketing when everyone in the game is potentially either being pocketed or pocketing others.
Dude this is like the most scummy post ever.
Can your intention behind this post get boiled down to: "Omg stop solving the game and sorting people guys! It makes my job as scum harder!"
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:35 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Am i really the only one who sees this?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:35 am
by Hectic
Why'd you like Doro for town, Norwee?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:36 am
by clidd
I was going to ask the same question.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:36 am
by NorwegianboyEE
I've played a bunch of newbie games lately and he's giving me very strong newb!town vibes. And i've had a very strong consistency with those reads.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:39 am
by Espeonage
In post 427, NorwegianboyEE wrote: In post 424, Espeonage wrote:I think overall, there is far too much of people town reading people town reading them and scum reading people scum reading them.
It's really hard to read potential pocketing when everyone in the game is potentially either being pocketed or pocketing others.
Dude this is like the most scummy post ever.
Can your intention behind this post get boiled down to: "Omg stop solving the game and sorting people guys! It makes my job as scum harder!"
????
I'm asking people to actually sort instead of forming cliques. If everyone that town reads each other is having a nice circle jerk then the scum in there is going to have a field day and win. This is 4v3 chances are everyone is wrong at some point in their reads but if there is an us and them camp which is kinda forming then both camps are going to have scum and we lose bc the town in the smaller group gets picked off.
If someone town reads you and you are town, there is actually higher scum equity bc they know you are more likely to be town.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:40 am
by Hectic
In post 431, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I've played a bunch of newbie games lately and he's giving me very strong newb!town vibes. And i've had a very strong consistency with those reads.
Idk, I skimmed through this game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
-and he did a lot more solving there, whereas here, it feels like he's using the slip-hunting thing as an excuse to do less solving.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:41 am
by Hectic
Espeonage has a point tbh. I haven't been doing that though; I'm sus of Drew after he called me his top townread. And I townread Norwee while I was still his top scumread.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:42 am
by NorwegianboyEE
This f- (Ok i've gotta cut down on my swearing)
This wicked Espeonage person hasn't given off any towntells this entire game and kept up a bad read on my initial post by claiming i "scum-slipped" and he has also been discouraging people from solving. I don't get why he's being townread. Although i'm assuming it's because some of his scum partners want to keep him alive.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:42 am
by Espeonage
Like this game if effectively 50/50.
You need to be really sure of a town read for it to hold any weight.
Like it's 4v3. I am town, so the other players are 3v3.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:43 am
by Espeonage
In post 435, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This f- (Ok i've gotta cut down on my swearing)
This wicked Espeonage person hasn't given off any towntells this entire game and kept up a bad read on my initial post by claiming i "scum-slipped" and he has also been discouraging people from solving. I don't get why he's being townread. Although i'm assuming it's because some of his scum partners want to keep him alive.
I am actively encouraging people to solve rather than be lazy. ?_?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:43 am
by Hectic
In post 425, Hectic wrote: In post 422, Espeonage wrote:Hectic's 180 on Norway for no reason is reading really poorly to me. I still feel that Norway effectively scum slipped. I agree with Aaron that I do not see what Hectic was seeing which makes it worse.
Back of my mind is that I am wrong on Norway being lock scum bc Hectic's trajectory is very scum indicative with the hard push in to White Knight territory.
A thought that has just occurred is that clidd's play can make sense if clidd is a traitor and looking to effectively 'ask' the wolf who the traitor is. Like death tunnelling for no reason on someone, looking for a reaction from the wolf and then moving on depending on the reaction. :/
Why "no reason"? I did a meta check and found something he only does as town and never as scum; I'd say that's a pretty good reason. Is the scumslip referring to his first post?
Mind replying to this, Espeonage?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:44 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Djstjr can you post some reads? I think it would help us all if you showed us your current thought process.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:45 am
by Espeonage
Meta is evil and is shown time and time again to be inherently flawed. Any case that involves meta is a flawed case. I end up talking about this every game I play and I always insist on ignoring any meta tells anyone has. And somehow?!? I end up winning a lot of games as town after taking this line of argument.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:45 am
by Espeonage
440 is @438
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:48 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:49 am
by clidd
In post 436, Espeonage wrote:Like this game if effectively 50/50.
You need to be really sure of a town read for it to hold any weight.
Like it's 4v3. I am town, so the other players are 3v3.
This reasoning seems prone to paranoia.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:00 pm
by Espeonage
In post 443, clidd wrote: In post 436, Espeonage wrote:Like this game if effectively 50/50.
You need to be really sure of a town read for it to hold any weight.
Like it's 4v3. I am town, so the other players are 3v3.
This reasoning seems prone to paranoia.
Mafia as a game IS prone to paranoia. Like what even?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:00 pm
by Espeonage
In post 442, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")
I expect people to form reads with thought, not with emotions.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:01 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
Yeah can you explain that post Clidd? What were you getting at there?
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:03 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 445, Espeonage wrote: In post 442, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")
I expect people to form reads with thought, not with emotions.
That doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.
Besides if two townies "logically" townread each other then you can pretty much say they have formed an alliance of sorts.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:05 pm
by Espeonage
In post 447, NorwegianboyEE wrote: In post 445, Espeonage wrote: In post 442, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")
I expect people to form reads with thought, not with emotions.
That doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.
Besides if two townies "logically" townread each other then you can pretty much say they have formed an alliance of sorts.
I agree. But that isn't really happening much this game. And you are the biggest offender.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:09 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
Let's leave that arguing for the post-game. Then we'll see who's right. Because i'm pretty sure my townreads are correct.
