You jump on Noraa's push on me and then jump off very soon after Noraa does, not to mention twisting the facts to imply that I was SRing players
because
they were V/LA, rather then for their behaviours prior to that.
You also seem weirdly fixated on pushing that one particular bit of evidence with Horsewoman ref her "I'm new" psot rather than looking at her wider ISO. Like if you legit SR her then surely you would be looking through her ISO at her other posts and scrutinizing those too - there are other scummy posts there too IMO.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:27 pm
by Marky Mark
Apologies for not being more involved in this game, it's all just slightly mental with work in the build-up to Christmas, but I have two weeks off as of this weekend, so will have more capacity for this game.
Night all
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:34 pm
by Guillotina
In post 423, Marky Mark wrote:Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)
UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.
On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?
In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Mafia
I just don't get this post - like why bother stating the obvious assumption being drawn here when we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey?
In post 356, Noraa wrote:I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.
She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"
I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum
I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.
Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.
Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.
I'm gonna look like an asshole, but this sounds a lot like AtE. I hope you do get better but I still suspect this slot.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:48 pm
by Guillotina
Spoiler:
In post 423, Marky Mark wrote:Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)
UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.
On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?
In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Mafia
I just don't get this post - like
why bother
stating the obvious assumption being drawn here
when we can all see
what Momrangal was trying to convey?
Also, this did feel like shading. I don't believe you are an idiot if you are playing this game so I don't believe your question was a real one. Then you state that we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey. Who is all? Did you ask each and every one of us to come to that conclusion?
In post 411, Noraa wrote:"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
Now this is revealing.
Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:02 pm
by Flea The Magician
oof I'm looking forward to going over you with a fine toothed comb.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:33 pm
by DrippingGoofball
VOTE: Momrangal
why not
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:03 pm
by Flea The Magician
A horse woman would be a Centaur, right?
Spoiler: I am the story that will read you reeeeaaaaal
Btw I am super gutted about the flavour. I thought it was going to be the town as bears with guns and the scum as the park rangers (like Yogie Bear kinda)
No I'm not an alt lol, I'm an actually new user
Fair, explains the RVS thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In post 43, Horsewoman wrote:Alright, someone do the protown thing and create something dumb and artificial to get us out of RVS
In post 68, Horsewoman wrote:I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me
Hmm... This seems lazy and like someone who doesn't want to be the focus of attention. ʕ ͠° ʖ̫ °͠ ʔ
In post 70, Horsewoman wrote:To some extent, sure. It wasn't entirely serious in tone because I rarely am.
In post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
These are interesting.
Not serious about moving the game forward... but HEY LAMIST!
In post 122, Horsewoman wrote:For anyone who's asking - I am new to mafiascum, yes really, not an alt, 100% pinky promise permaban me otherwise. I'm not new to forum mafia, no I don't have any meta.
In post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
Agreed. Trying to
look
like you are getting the game to progress while expecting others to do it for you however...
But the post I made literally did progress it! People started talking about the game immediately afterwards/because of it
In post 80, LlamaMama wrote:Fine, I'll go through both possibilities before you answer then. I would have rather had it the other way round so I could have a better understanding of your perspective first, but *shrug*
In 68, Horsewoman says she doesn't have any reads yet. This means she probably won't have much to offer when pressured. So why does JV choose to pressure there right afterwards? It's a lead doomed to dry up, since Horsewoman has already said she's come up short of any reads. A pressure vote there makes little sense as a result, and I'm not sure why JV chose to push there right after seeing evidence that it wouldn't lead to much.
So I thought JV might actually think Horsewoman is scum. But based on what's been posted so far I'm not seeing it. My gut reaction to Horsewoman's posts has been town, and the evidence against her in 71 is fairly baseline - it's a lot about what town SHOULD be doing, but not really evidence that Horsewoman IS SCUM.
So tl;dr I don't think JV's vote makes much sense from any town perspective and is kind of doing the exact thing Horsewoman is being accused of: creating 'content' that won't actually go anywhere.
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
I don't really like this post? You're the one confidently asserting that JV's pressure/vote 'won't go anywhere' but the reason for that is you've basically come into this thread and totally stopped that pressure with your own actions. And you make a good point about applying what town SHOULD be doing - but then you contradict your own point!! You vote JV for applying pressure that you personally thought wouldn't go anywhere, which is exactly based on what town should be doing. Sad!
VOTE: Llamamama
also i haven't read the most recent page yet.
I kinda like this, honestly. Unconventional way of progressing the game and kinda forcing the RVS out of the way then a legit smackdown on Llamamamamaamamamammaaammamamamms post.
This denotes excitement, wants to get the game going. Horsewoman, it's a 10-day Day phase game.
In post 68, Horsewoman wrote:I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me
You were bored and you are probably used to fast games.
In post 70, Horsewoman wrote:To some extent, sure. It wasn't entirely serious in tone because I rarely am.
Yah, you've been fucking around.
In post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
Not necessarily
this is an incredibly useless 'deep dive' that goes absolutely nowhere.
Regarding your point about being used to short games - that's true. My previous forum had 72 hour day phases.
Can't wait to see what you say about this then... ( ◞･౪･)
This is probably something more for the Guillotina dive but your response here is... I dunno. You're dismissing it then interacting anyway and it... blegh?
In post 132, Noraa wrote:Nope. im not 100% sure yet so im not dropping meta tells just so Flea can change it up. Once its a pattern, it'll click better.
In post 133, Horsewoman wrote:That sounds like not playing to your win condition in this game fully in order to aid you in future games.
Nora's quote included for context...
What is this. like seriously...
¡dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ǝsuǝs ǝʞɐɯ uǝʌǝ ʇ'usǝop ʇı sıɥʇ sı ʇɐɥM
(Sorry mod if this breaks a rule, I realise I'm probably pushing it, but its readable!)
Seriously though this is rotten. I don't like this one bit.
In post 177, Guillotina wrote:
[...snip...]
Nice try at discrediting my way of game solving.
First, if the deep dive goes absolutely nowhere is because the content of it didn't. Thank you.
Two, my deep dive allowed me deduce that you attempted to noobtell and miserably failed.
Three, makes me wonder why you tried to noobtell? Either alignment do this, but why did you?
It wasnt an attempt to "noobtell" it was just a joke based on that super weird username
Another one to look at with Guillotina's ISO really.
I'm wondering what this joke is. A LOT of stuff is being deflected as "jokes lul" (ὸ⍸ό)✧
In post 253, Horsewoman wrote:
Yes, i was attempting to discredit your deep dive because it was dumb. I wasnt trying to discresit you as a person or your slot. I also wasnt discrediting the deep dive because I thought you were onto me - the idea is laughable.
In a couple of hours I will read the game properly and come to conclusions
Not at all, just reflecting on my mannerisms ^_^ I am the universal parent friendo
Horsey is sus, but nothing significant as of yet.
This read is really crappy (jumping on a bandwagon without even pretending to articulate why).
Awww does someone need a hug? (⊃｡•́‿•̀｡)⊃
How am I jumping on a bandwagon here?
I've stated nothing significant has come to mind, and I haven't vote for you yet either.
Someones overreacting.
⊂(ﾉ￣￣￣(工)￣￣￣)⊃ﾉ~~~~~━━━┻━━┻━━━
Someone needs to chill their boots. (∪￣ ㋓ ￣∪) This post is good at calling people out but is the equivalent to a 5 year old running up to you and proclaiming "YU SMEL" before running away giggling.
In post 421, Horsewoman wrote:
Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.
Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.
On a more serious note the folk here are pretty chill and respectful. The site staff added my pronouns for me and you can look at my join date to see how new I am here.
Once you get settled in some names will start becoming familiar and you chill a little more.
On a mental health note, nobody will judge you for that, you gotta look after yourself and I've had a few days myself where I've just said "Pain day, sorry peeps will catch up where I can!" and I make my TODO lists
Spoiler: Conclusion
Happy with a scum lean here at the moment.
I was suspicious and went for a dive to see what I'd find.
Also I am massively disappointed that despite listening to spotify all day, I haven't inserted more than 1 song.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:25 pm
by DrippingGoofball
Is it wrong for me to love posts with Japanese emojis so much?
In post 411, Noraa wrote:"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
Now this is revealing.
Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.
Dude this is my second game of MS mafia and the first is ongoing.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:03 pm
by Horsewoman
In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428664#p12428664]post 412[/url], Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching me
In post 411, Noraa wrote:"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
Now this is revealing.
Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.
Dude this is my second game of MS mafia and the first is ongoing.
I'm talking about the alleged "Outside of MS games". Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?
In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428664#p12428664]post 412[/url], Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching me
Wrong, you can't say that you could have easily pretended to be totally new, when it only took two posts to catch you. Let's put it this way, you might be a seasoned player but you are a terrible liar, the problem here is, why you tried to lie to us?
In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428664#p12428664]post 412[/url], Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching me
Wrong, you can't say that you could have easily pretended to be totally new, when it only took two posts to catch you. Let's put it this way, you might be a seasoned player but you are a terrible liar, the problem here is, why you tried to lie to us?
You didn't 'catch me'. I COULD have easily pretended to be new, but i DIDN'T because I WASN'T lying to you
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:47 pm
by Horsewoman
why are people still discussing this on page 19?? It feels like some kind of excuse not to move the game forward and create genuine content. That's how blatantly silly this is.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:49 pm
by Horsewoman
In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
This is a train of thought that I have seen many times that basically goes 'only mafia would care about being lynched/treated badly'. Completely wrong! Being mislynched sucks on an emotional level and it also hurts town on a game level! Town have a huge interest in not being lynched.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:51 pm
by Guillotina
In post 446, Horsewoman wrote:why are people still discussing this on page 19?? It feels like some kind of excuse not to move the game forward and create genuine content. That's how blatantly silly this is.
Fine! Let's do that.
What are your reads on Noraa, Toogeloo, Marky Mark and Flea The Magician?
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:52 pm
by Horsewoman
In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.
