Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Alisae]

actually no i wanna decide if the guy dies or not
UNVOTE:

[Krazy]

So basically it's "read the iso preflipping them red and see if it fits"?

[Alisae]

for all intensive purposes my vote is on chosen tho

[Krazy]

intensive purposes

*triggered*

Spoiler:

don't nag alisae about "intents and purposes" don't nag alisae about...

[Alisae]

T_T

[Kazyan]

So basically it's "read the iso preflipping them red and see if it fits"?

Yeah, that.

I think I townlean Alisae for the unvote; the leadup to E-1 makes it seem like e was genuinely okay with 2ndchosen1 being the day 1 elimination, but then took it back to get out of a hammerable zone

[Cantripmancer]

like ur a red/green player and I play blue.

I'm intrigued: unpack this for me?

Also, I'm confused. I feel like Marci's defense of Chosen is being perceived as excessive, so wouldn't it make more sense to postulate that Marci and Chosen

might

be masons rather than discounting the possibility? And wouldn't the logical alternative to explain Marci's defense of Chosen if they're

not

masons be that

Marci

is scum white knighting Chosen (if it's unlikely that a townie would be excessive in defending a townie)?

Tbh, I could always be scum white knighting chosen is a possibility, but i think everybody will need to judge that for themselves. It isn't my intention to white knight them, and if I really wanted to I would've placed them as an actual town read. I just want them to have a chance

FTR, I don't think you're scum white knighting Chosen, nor do I think you're masons. I'm more interested in how Italiano says he's going about trying to sort you and Chosen.

@cantrip
Kazyan is correct, I've only had the one other game.
I was more pointing out how bad this quote is.
"Shallow and opportunistic votes are the easiest to follow for my small brain getting adjusted to the game, so that's what I'm going with. The push on 2nd made me question my original read, so I went back, reread, and got some weird vibes from- like I said, the lack of analysis in his first few posts and his progressively angrier and more annoyed tone."
IF Meuh is townie then she's not exactly one I'd want to keep around, see Antrax's Guide to Being a Good Townie from the wiki. krazy at least is more brainy about her moves

Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying.

Not super digging what I feel is a condescending tone in your posts, but that's probably just your confidence shining through. Just how experienced are you, if I may ask? You get a townlean, though, for the solving approach.

I'm not sure where you see that but its probably not intentional?
Either way I consider myself to be pretty experienced and I have a lot of pride in my gameplay.

Like I said, I'm probably seeing your confidence in the wrong light; it's all good.

tbh your rep in to flavor vs hectic was pretty dope

I also remember liking your d1 in baker's wrestling game a lot more than this entrance from you atm

Can you link me to either of these games? I found this (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82624) by searching, but didn't see Alisae in the player list...

also I don't remember baker's game?
My rep ins compared to me being at the start of the game is fairly different and im a weird if I'm trying to catch-up?
If I showed you this game what would your response be: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84369

I know this was meant for Krazy, but I'm curious: it feels like you're trying to highlight that you play differently when you're "there" for the full game vs when you replace in. But the game you link in this quote is, for all practical purposes, essentially a rep-in. You didn't see that the game had started until 800+ posts in.

That's really not the readslist I want right now

I say this with no offense intended: this made me laugh.

Yeah maybe she shouldn't be, maybe we need to go into read therapy

I'm getting a serious "lost innocent" vibe from the majority of her posts, and they sound sincere. That kind of thing is hard to fake, imo.

Chosen town-->Krazy scum bothers me a bit as well

Why, if you feel strongly that Chosen is scum?

intensive purposes

*triggered*

Spoiler:

don't nag alisae about "intents and purposes" don't nag alisae about...

@Krazy: Seriously, what % are you at for scum!Chosen? I don't feel strongly about Chosen yet, so I'm tempted to just /barn your read and see how they flip.

Collecting my thoughts on Italiano now.

[Krazy]

Can you link me to either of these games? I found this (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82624) by searching, but didn't see Alisae in the player list...

Alisae was one of the heads of the heads of Wondertank

here's the iso from repping in to Flav vs Hec - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Krazy]

@Krazy: Seriously, what % are you at for scum!Chosen? I don't feel strongly about Chosen yet, so I'm tempted to just /barn your read and see how they flip.

tbh I'm probably down to 50/50, either they flip scum or they don't

I just... feel like their response to the wagon on them has been to basically shut down and then they got kinda white knighted by a couple slots and it's just really hard to evaluate how that all shakes out without a flip

the way harumi positioned herself on chosen/meuh was almost scummy enough for me to think that was just wolfing

but if chosen IS scum then it's like.... fine?

I just feel like right now chosen is more interested in not getting flipped than in finding scum and that makes me think he's one of the better shots for scum day 1, but it *is day 1* and I kinda wanted to just channel the confidence I had when chosen did start posting stuff

like partly for me the amount of resistance the wagon got without chosen really doing anything particularly townie makes me more curious about the flip, but I'm not like "omg this always flips scum" at all

[Krazy]

Like I don't even think I ever hit a full 70% on chosen, generally my day 1 townreads, on the whole, tend to be a bit better than my scumreads, which they should be since townreads should just always be more accurate than scumreads, but generally I'll have a pretty good poe but maybe only be like 60% on having scum in the right order

right now I'd say if {chosen/harumi} flips 0 scum I'd be pretty surprised but it's possible and when I see stuff like alisae's readslist I get a little shook that maybe I really am just on the wrong path or wrote eth0s off too easily

[Alisae]

I'm intrigued: unpack this for me?

I wrote an MD thread about how MtG colors could translate into mafia:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=85039

[Alisae]

Can you link me to either of these games? I found this (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82624) by searching, but didn't see Alisae in the player list...

im part of the wondertank hydra

[Krazy]

I kinda feel like I'm mono blue this game and you're usually a town that plays mono red but this game you feel like mono green

[Alisae]

I know this was meant for Krazy, but I'm curious: it feels like you're trying to highlight that you play differently when you're "there" for the full game vs when you replace in. But the game you link in this quote is, for all practical purposes, essentially a rep-in. You didn't see that the game had started until 800+ posts in.

he was saying that my rep-ins are usually different from this one no?
I don't get the point here.
Do you think that this is scum!indicative?

[Alisae]

can you honestly say that harumi is more town than anyone else?

[Alisae]

for me I just feel like I can't honestly say that.

[Alisae]

I just... feel like their response to the wagon on them has been to basically shut down and then they got kinda white knighted by a couple slots and it's just really hard to evaluate how that all shakes out without a flip

who is wk'ing them?

[Alisae]

also i don't feel like chosen and harumi are aligned with each other.
honestly i kinda just wanna kill harumi like, a lot?

[Nexus]

Game Rules:

Activity:

- You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 48 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- Similarly, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.

Please note - this rule is changing to the correct Newbie queue rule - 36 hours + 36 hours for prods, not 48 + 48.

My apologies. I am an old man who hasn't modded for a long time!

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.10:

2ndchosen1 (3) -

Krazy, Meuh, ItalianoVD

Meuh (2) -

Kazyan, Harumi Ayasato

Krazy (1) -

2ndchosen1

ItalianoVD (1) -

Cantripmancer

Harumi Ayasato (1) -

marcistar

Not voting (1) -

Alisae

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 will end at 11am GMT on the 20th February 2021 - (expired on 2021-02-20 11:00:00)

[Alisae]

Does anyone else find the constant use of emoticons to come off as insincere, or is it just me?

There's nothing here btw. This leads nowhere. You're not going to catch anyone because of this and this isn't ever going to be a reason why that player is scum in a game.

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Alright, let me make a read list. This format may be a bit odd to you guys but ppl used it in other games i've played so...

TTT = Confirmed town
TT = Strong town read
T = Town read
/T = Town lean
/ = Neutral
/M = Mafia lean
M = Mafia read
MM = Strong mafia read
MMM = Confirmed mafia
Nothing = player has provided no input

Kazyan (/T)

Good vibes!

marcistar (/T)

Seems to be contributing to the discussion, messages aren't scummy.

Cantripmancer (/)

Not much input, and the input felt a bit odd.

Harumi Ayasato (/)

Talked a bit but didn't do anything to warrant a townlean

2ndchosen1 ()

Nothing yet

ItalianoVD (/T)

Contributing, messages look like a townie's

eth0s ()

Just voted and left.

Krazy (/T)

Actively contributing, making sure convo happens , but is experienced, so could easily be just be playing as they always do. Plus some of these messages look like they may be trying to pocket Marci? Not a huge deal, but still something I noticed.


After a certain point, inactivity becomes scummy, but this game just started.

Not terribly AI but I see little point in doing a readslist in page three of a mafia game. They don't really add anything this early.

attacks the readlist, not impossible for scum to post.

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@harumi, No take on marci or meuh yet?

Can you expand on your kazy read a bit?

I've already expressed my opinion on meuh's tierlist and the emoticon usage but other than that they haven't really done anything to get my attention.

Kazy has only posted seventeen times, and quite a few of them are non-substantive, but the few that are seem to be rather focused on calling people out for things he perceives as scummy. This is probably just a playstyle thing, but it makes me wonder.

probably not aligned with kazy on re-read

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I'm noticing that Meuh's last three posts have almost exclusively been justifying their actions. I'd like them to quickly reiterate who they believe their top candidate for elimination is today, as well as their reason.

this kind of shading probably seems more likely to come from scum than town I think?

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I do agree with Kazyan that Meuh is inconsistent with their votes, and seems to be very manipulative with how apologetic they are when called out.
Your read on eth0s also implies that you think people voting for you is scummy, which I don't really agree with.

So not looking super good right now. Let's see about 2nd.

this just feels like attacking the slot for the sake of attacking the slot

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2nd hasn't posted as much as Meuh, but it's hard for me to point out anything specifically wrong with them. I'm just getting a bad feeling regarding them, like they're not being sincere.
So I'm going to VOTE: Meuh for now, but 2nd is going on my PoE.

how are they not being sincere? I don't feel like this was ever actually explained but i could be missing something

[Alisae]

the way harumi positioned herself on chosen/meuh was almost scummy enough for me to think that was just wolfing

what post?
am i missing something here?

[Alisae]

Cantrip actually seems like Harumi's most likely partner just on the basis that assuming no distancing or theater is going on
marci is going quite hard on them
the way they post about kazy makes kazy look townie
italiano went quite hard on harumi early
if they did position themselves to be ok with chosen or meuh, those are more likely town and harumi is likely just scum here
I'm not going to argue that krazy is scum in this game of mafia

[Alisae]

and Cantrip seems townie :/

[Alisae]

i think i should just sleep and hopefully there'll be more posts tomorrow