Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Cephrir]

Hi I am a mason.

Why must people who claim mason in their first post get mason roles instead of me. The world is so unfair.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Who wants to be the one to tell Bear there are confirmed to be no third parties?

TITUS IS PROBABLY A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN THEN, THEY SEEM PRETTY INVESTED IN...UH... WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE DOING.

[Bell]

Hah, bear didn’t know there were confirmed no third parties.
Learn to read. (*naturally I didn’t know this either*)

? Chat about all of them. Why do you think each is town? Rational and irrational reasons are fine.

I do think we have different definitions of town cores because I tend to think of town cores as players that you are reasonably confident are town. Which I don’t think you reasonably could be at this point.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I think I moderately agree with S_S on charloux. I missed that post. Sometimes people commit to a role early, but I don’t know them well enough to know if they’d do that so I think it’s probably okay just to give it a generic thumbs up.

I dunno what to say to the town core thing. Unless we use entirely different definitions of town cores the k my one I’d even consider would be Mastina at this point and that’s just a default.

I don’t know your history with these players to know if the people you’re town reading are the people you tend to clash with but I’m moderately surprised that you clash with marashu or that they clash much at all.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT BY DESCRIBING DATISI'S SCUM POSTS AS WORKMANLIKE YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE ABSENCE OF DOUBT AND PARANOIA?

IMO 386 LOOKS INFORMED. JUST DRYLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND CHATTING ABOUT TELLS.

Hah, bear didn’t know there were confirmed no third parties.
Learn to read. (*naturally I didn’t know this either*)

? Chat about all of them. Why do you think each is town? Rational and irrational reasons are fine.

I do think we have different definitions of town cores because I tend to think of town cores as players that you are reasonably confident are town. Which I don’t think you reasonably could be at this point.

I ADDRESSED A QUESTION TO YOU REGARDING YOUR DATISI TELL.

[Bell]

Hi I am a mason.

Why must people who claim mason in their first post get mason roles instead of me. The world is so unfair.

Cephism spotted.
+1 to Bell’s irritation.

[Cephrir]

It's just the people I townread. My early game townreads are usually weird and unpopular; I'm happy to chat about any of them if you want to.

Why is Shiidaji town? That seems super random.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mistyx, Datisi, Norweigan; What is even your goal with my wagon? Do you want me to explain my thought process for yesterday? Claim all my role details?
Explain my theory in detail? Do you want to get me to L-1 and act shocked when someone hammers?

My goal is to flip mafia.

[Cephrir]

Hi I am a mason.

Why must people who claim mason in their first post get mason roles instead of me. The world is so unfair.

Cephism spotted.
+1 to Bell’s irritation.

am i really that awful to put up with

if i had to vote right now it would be for datisi but i don't have to vote

i appreciate mastina for putting me in my own category. i think that might be a good approach for us in general for game starts.

[Bell]

No, I’m not referring to an absence of doubt and paranoia.
I mean their posts look like homework. They’re trying to hit what they need to complete the assignment and not a single carbohydrate more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i appreciate mastina for putting me in my own category. i think that might be a good approach for us in general for game starts.

As long as it's not an all-game running scum theatre like last time i'm cool with it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, I’m not referring to an absence of doubt and paranoia.
I mean their posts look like homework. They’re trying to hit what they need to complete the assignment and not a single carbohydrate more.

Reminds me of when my midterm assignment said the paper has to be 3600-4400 words and i delived a paper that was 3614 words.

[Charloux]

Mistyx, Datisi, Norweigan; What is even your goal with my wagon? Do you want me to explain my thought process for yesterday? Claim all my role details?
Explain my theory in detail? Do you want to get me to L-1 and act shocked when someone hammers?

My goal is to flip mafia.

Unless you know something about the setup that i, as town clan leader don't, you have 0 reason for me to be your main target of scum flipping attempt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What does clan leader even mean.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Go to class.
*pokes*

I can't concisely articulate a rebuttal to your argument that every post you make *has* to be toward producing content. Because I didn't say that.
I just think you treat the game more like a chore as scum than as town and your posts reflect that in how you use your ideology.
I would hope you couldn't disagree with the characterization given that's how you described it yourself in a scum PT or two.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THIS SERIES OF POSTS IN PARTICULAR:

VOTE: datisi

you said i have a townie vote, wtf

also fire - why did you unvote me when i was asleep? like, you knew my sleeping schedule beforehand, no?

bc i can feel that i'm not in the vibe of the game yet, esp not in main thread, so i don't think i get much about your alignment by asking that

you can answer if it's something interesting ig

don't you usually like to sort people based on engaging with their pushes on you

if i think they're unreasonable or i sense bad faith from them, yes

i've olayed w you enough and ik you have played w me enough ti sense i was being kinda off

so i guessed that was why and didn't feel it's worthwhile to ask you about it

so in a way, yes i was waiting to see where you went with it because the current vote from you is boring nd doesn't tell me much

ans i do think i'm more engaged in the hood because i love posting in purple pts , i'll prob try to be conscious about it and not let myself get behind in the main thesd

@dann, why is my vote on charloux bad?

also pls excuse typos, currently speedwalking to class and trying ti not get hit by a csr

I just think you treat the game more like a chore as scum than as town and your posts reflect that in how you use your ideology.

i guess i'm more interested in how you are fitting this with my posts so far this game,but i'm also rapidly losing faith in this being s productive line of reasoning

@dann

i do think moonlogicy theories are townie, however my issue is that he assigned scum-motivation to one person for it when a lot of other people have done it, and he never commented on that. that's something that can potentially be scum motivated and i want him to explain his thoughts there

i don't want to vote val rn because i have been wrong before so i want to give more time to sit on that, and i don't think voting him will help me solve him (as it will with charloux)

@fire

i don't remember calling marashu boring (or saying anything about him, really) but i don't really have thoughts on him rn - i'm interested to see where he takes the datisi/bell theory

no thoughts head empty on catboi

why is it that you asked about the two of these specifically?

something something good scumgame big paranoia etc etc

i did vaguely read your thoughts on him but they didn't really resonate with me one way or another, so

i was hoping to gain insight by seeing his read on me but apparently he has NONE so far so idk i will just be vibing there for now

i will combat that bias by immediately forgetting who is in what clan

(but yes agreed, solving by "x scum in y hood" is dumb and we should not do it)

I AM OBSERVING SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN BELL THOUGH, WHAT IS STANDING OUT TO ME IS AN ABSENCE OF DOUBT, CURIOSITY AND PARANOIA IN DATISI'S POSTS. I AGREE THAT THEY DO READ LIKE HOMEWORK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll elaborate on what i don't like. Give me a sec.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

This for one. And your response to sussing FA felt very forced. "Sorry you don't have a sense of humor" was especially iffy response.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I'll elaborate on what i don't like. Give me a sec.

IT'S OKAY, YOU NEED YOUR REST. IT TAKES EFFORT TO FABRICATE A GOOD SCUM READ.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

This for one. And your response to sussing FA felt very forced. "Sorry you don't have a sense of humor" was especially iffy response.

HOW IS THIS MORE LIKELY TO COME FROM A DARK ONE?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fine i'll go screw myself then.
Solve the game alone since you're so awesome.

[Val89]

I find myself having cooled on both Bell and Alisea overnight. I still think Alisea is the best lead we have, but I am no longer of the opinion that it's as clear cut as I was feeling last night, and its simple a matter of spending the next 9 days trying to convince everyone else of that.

The whole thing that lead me to suspicion on Alisea is around their interactions with Norwee, and I don't think Norwee is the play here. I've paraphrased the interactions in Windclan PT between the two, and initially I did get the general feeling that during the directed, step-by-step questioning of Norwee trying to elicit reads on certain players based on specific posts that Norwee was being slightly evasive; it was clear the two of them were having a thing together, and I wasn't surprised to see Norwee first on the list of Alisea's read list, for "norwee wind tribe" in 216. It was when pushed by Dann to articulate that exactly that meant that I saw Alisea give an answer in 222 that did not gybe with what I was seeing in Windclan.

I think Alisea gave a townread on Norwee as a consequence of what they thought (and are probably correct about) was a successful pocket attempt in Windclan, and wasn't expecting to be made to justify it as far as they were asked to. I understand if you aren't privy to that clan chat, it's difficult to make an assessment on the issue - but I am reasonably confident is saying that I don't see Alisea and Norwee being scum together, and Alisea has given me a lot more to be concerned about that Norwee has.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

"Sorry you don't have a sense of humor" was especially iffy response.

WHY?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Apart from these, the only one who left a strong opinion on me is bear. Mentally i don't like him, but his posts looks really towny

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE SHADE TO ANYONE ELSE? THIS SEEMS VERY PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE IN A WAY THAT A DARK ONE MAY ALLOW TO SEEP INTO THEIR POSTS.

MODERATOR, CAN WE GET ANY CLARIFICATION ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OUR CLAN LEADER IS VOTED OUT?

[Bell]

I don’t have an issue with the post if only because I do the same thing as town all the time.

[Val89]

I find Dannflor's point regarding Charloux in 384 to be persuasive - and to a lesser degree Something_smarts point about the reference to having some sort of role in 416 - and find myself agreeing with the townreads on Charloux. I don't think that is the right place for a wagon either.

I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

[Bell]

I’m starting to wonder if it’s possible to develop a read on penguin early.