Newbie 680: In this town of Cookieland... Over!

[popsofctown]

Um.. no i don't realize this. It still makes sense to me.

If Capricious is doing what i think he's doing, then he gets a pass on doing this in the first place, but if that's not what Capricious does, he gets a big black spot. So, it's kind of like I'm letting him go double or nothing. Double or nothing is fair, right?

[Moratorium]

If Capricious is doing what i think he's doing...

You're guessing. At best.

[popsofctown]

Meh, i guess.

Let's demand that capricious answer now, then.

[guy0]

with this whole doctor thing, it gets kinda difficult to decide if he should claim.

I feel like the doc shouldn't claim today, because then he'd for sure die tonight, and we would have lost someone who we knew was town.

I agree with pops in the sense that if anyone claims doc today, and there is a counterclaim, town wins, which means that I feel the doc claiming should be saved until that time where someone about to be lynched claims.

At this point in the game, the most valuable thing is to know the allegiance of people through tested claims (like moratorium), and by losing the doc to an NK, we'd be losing someone that the town knew was town.

I'm going to think out loud for a sec, but do you think it would really be advantageous for the mafia to kill the doc if he claimed? Lets say the mafia survives today (which we hope won't happen but whatever), the mafia would no matter what (unless they took the risk of trying to kill moratorium during night 3) be in a situation with 1 confirmed town and 2 unknowns, which means the mafia would probably want to fake claim doc so that they would just have to convince the town that their claim was more believable to win over moratorium.

This whole thing could mean that a doc claim now would take that away from the mafia, but for the first reasons i said, a doc claim would be bad. Any thoughts to add?

[Moratorium]

I'm fine with:

a) No real doctor claim unless L-1.
b) If real doctor sees someone else claim doctor, make sure to counterclaim so that we have a guaranteed win for town by lynching both doctors.

Makes sense.

Still waiting on Capricious and Jerseygoomba's player evaluations.

[popsofctown]

Follow Moratorium's plan. It's pretty good and failproof.

If our Doc claims today, he will die tonight, because you can't claim over him on the final day, you should have followed Moratorium's part B. All docs are required to counterclaim instantly today. By edict of common sense itself.

Also, since Doc is the only person the mafia can kill with zero risk of a succesful protect, it's gonna happen if we push our doc into claiming.

To make this clear, i think any player, when they get to L-1, is expected to give a Doc or townie claim. Hammering before we get that claim will be massively frowned upon. Hammering after that claim and before we think about it a little bit might also get massively frowned upon.

If you do get to L-1, claim honestly, there is no benefit to claiming falsely. All you will do is invoke LaL... wait, i don't really have to say that, most of the newbs are dead. Except for me.

[Capricious]

The following are posts of substance:

[Capricious]

1. I am Doc

[Capricious]

2. guy0 should die today

[Capricious]

3. pops should be kept alive should guy0 be town

[Moratorium]

Ok let's hear from everyone else. If you are doc, counterclaim now and we win by lynching both doctors. If no one counterclaims, Capricious is confirmed.

I am not counterclaiming doc.

[guy0]

Anyone going to counterclaim capricious's doc claim?

also, @capricious, care to give an explanation this time?

[Capricious]

Follow up:

I protected My Milk Eek night one. Of course, this enabled me to see the set-up from that very time. This helped me to judge the Barros-Moratorium situation with my added information because one, I had no doubts as to the set-up, and two, I was the only person to actually vote Barros during the first day, and if we are to assume that guy0 and Barros are the scum team, the only person to vote a member of the scum team as well.

Night two I protected Moratorium by default, although I deliberated whether to try something else as any alert scum would see that the best play is to RB Moratorium. However, protecting Moratorium was a must.

So the Night actions are:

Day 1

Mafia kills My Milked Eek
Mafia roleblocks Capricious

Moratorium investigates Barros,
Capricious protects My Milked Eek

Result: My Milked Eek dead, Moratorium investigates Barros guilty

Day 2

Mafia kills Mana_Ku
Mafia roleblocks Moratorium

Moratorium investigates ____
Capricious protects Moratorium

Result: Mana_Ku dead.

[Capricious]

A very interesting question is why am I not dead yet, and also why I was roleblocked day one.

[popsofctown]

I'm not doc, I'm vanilla town.
I can complain for Capricious not following the policy i recommended, but I'm going to keep town on track. There will either be a counterclaim or not.

An honest counterclaim here instantly wins the game for the town

[popsofctown]

The following are posts of substance:

look, Moratorium, you kept bugging him and then he made an early claim. Why'd you do that? You should have listened to me Moratorium, left him alone...

[Capricious]

The role is useless if the claim was not made today. Not claiming in hopes of a successful night protect is counterproductive, for then we would again have the situation of two counterclaims, except now it is lylo. Alternatively, we may go into a 4 player 1 scum draw by no lynching, but that was undesirable.

[popsofctown]

meh. Whatever. Jerseygoomba are you doctor? Moratorium are you doctor? (lol)

[Moratorium]

Game has become quite binary for me at this point. Three people have to be trusted as town to win the game. I see myself and popsofctown as towns no matter what the circumstance.

A) If Jerseygoomba claims doctor, we lynch both "doctors" and win.

B) If Jerseygoomba claims town, then Capricious is truly the doctor, and since I trust myself and popsofctown, that leaves Jerseygoomba and Guy0.

Actually, that makes things easy for me now.

vote: Jerseygoomba

I'm not afraid of a quicklynch because tomorrow is automatic. If I'm the one that ends up getting killed at night, hopefully the remaining players will continue on with my plan as I've laid it out.

[Capricious]

Honestly, am I stupid enough to claim doc as scum?

I am equally confirmed as Moratorium.

[popsofctown]

I thought of the Moratorium's whole "three confirmed townies=win" thing a few pages back, but i didn't want to call upon the feelings of innocence surrounding myself in order to win. However, honestly, lynching jerseygoomba & guy0 is good play here. Your (Capricious and Moratorium, you both) thoughts on me aren't unfounded, they come from pages and pages of me being a special 'lympics blabbermouth, compounded with behavior from known scum (Barros) implying me as town.

As of post 443, we should probably note that optimal play from whoever is scum is to launch a case against me immediately.


Moratorium's "three town two scum" plan works perfectly as long as Moratorium, Capricious, and myself are all committed to it. If we all are, this game is won, regardless or with regard to how the other two players post, vote, or nightkill.

Well, i was about to post something about how i need to make sure both of you two are in, but I'm pretty sure you both are. Capricious has said "popsofctown needs to be kept living tomorrow", moratorium has said "i see myself and popsofctown as town no matter what the circumstance.

So let's go.

vote: jerseygoomba

[guy0]

so if jersey doesn't claim doc then we have confirmed capricious and moratorium, which is excellent, so, no matter what we will have 1 confirmed town on the last day should we get that far.

As per why capricious was roleblocked night 1, i'd go with random choice by mafia, i don't think enough information was given out day 1 for anyone to have known anyone's roles.

Out of curiosity, why did you protect eek night 1 capricious?

Last thing to say is that if we make a quicklynch today, and jersey turns out not to be scum, lets just spend lots of time thinking things through before capricious or moratorium makes the final decision (which i believe will be the case no matter what).

[popsofctown]

We've pseudo confirmed Capricious already guy0. I've already explained how a false claim of doctor instantly loses the game for the scum. Itd be kind of stupid for someone to try that, basically Capricious would have to false claim doctor and get a lynch on someone who is not doctor before everyone got to the thread for claims.

[Moratorium]

pops should be kept alive should guy0 be town

Honestly, am I stupid enough to claim doc as scum?

I am equally confirmed as Moratorium.

Sounds to me like you know who your three trusted players are.

Vote please. It's just a logical puzzle now, and jersey's flip seals the way to go.

Search your feelings, you know this to be true.

/vader

[popsofctown]

in case capricious isn't here for a while guy0 can you please hammer for him?