It's not a stupid question, orcinus. It's a very valid one. Why would you propose a scenario that one of {rift, crabd} is scum and then tell me you're just gonna sheep rift's read of me? That makes no sense!
Your answer to 2 completely ignores the context of the situation. Going into night one, there was no vig claim on the table. A SK's smartest move is to act like a vig in this case. A scumgroup can kill a weaker PL kind of player and setup a vig claim in case of tracker/watcher N1 yes. Been there, seen that. (offsite)
Regarding shadi, you flat out told me my townread is wrong, but then you drop everything to tunnel rift and I, so yeah, I want to see if you have a case, because A: It helps me sort you depending on how fair your case is and B: If it has something I missed, it might make me re-consider my read on shadi as well. It's not diverting when YOU told me you'd make a case. Just like you said you'd make a bulba case. We keep getting promises of cases that don't happen.
Re: 4, I was debating just putting "No, you're dumb" but I figured i'd be civil about it. It is a rejection though, so you're right about that part.
And for 5, Post Hoc is a valid type of analysis used in several scientific fields, so it's not really a logical fallacy to me. Mafia is a game of finding patterns after shit happens, so telling me it's a logical error to do analysis there is like telling me not to play the game.
6 was a reply to the line about "deliberate obtuseness" not the fact that you think there's scum between rift and I.
7 you're ignoring my point here. If {cabd, orci, bro, rift} were doctor targets, and {cabd, orci, bro, rift, calcifer, zdenek} were the remaining "top tier" players, why does it not make sense for scum to shoot away from the doctor?
8 No shit it's a content less rejection. Your case on them is utter shit.
9 I wanted to see how you shape the points against you, because I need to re-sort you. I'm not sure if you're scum trying to push my mislynch or town wrongly convinced I'm scum, but I need to figure that shit out.
10 Your day one in AMOL was fairly active enough, unless I'm forgetting something. Also, I don't think you scumslipped in xenoblade like at all, but it's still a game I'd use to do comparisons.
11 See the second paragraph of 2 above. Actually, I'll copy paste. It's not diverting when YOU told me you'd make a case. Just like you said you'd make a bulba case. We keep getting promises of cases that don't happen.
You're the one that told us that if you didn't post that night you wouldn't make it back by deadline?
In post 4200, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 180, KingCrabd wrote: In post 177, Mac wrote:
there was something else that caught my eye on a brief skin of the 8 pages:
In post 131, KingCrabd wrote:Nulls:
Orc (not enough posts yet)
Everyone Else because it’s like page 6 and several people only have RVS posts.
Krab person (cabd?) - why did you feel the need to seperate orc for not having enough posts from everyone else who don't have enough posts? I found this kinda bizarre behaviour.
It's weird to see him NOT super hyperactive, after seeing his play in other games. I felt it needed more distinction, hence "not enough posts yet", because orci usually has walls up by now.
where have you seen me walling
like am i so oxygen-deprived right now that i don't even remember my own playstyle
By walls, I don't mean "huge walls of text per posts" I mean "half the posts on the page are orci posts."
In post 4201, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:cabd's posts has a very different vibe from xenoblade
here it's a lot of questions (even when he's trying to make a point) and that gives his ISO a weird feel
in xenoblade it was a lot more "here is what is happening you are scum because this", very certain, very in control
I don't know if I'm picking at straws here but I'm just going through this game picking up every little thing right now and sorting it out later
I felt on top of the world in xenoblade. And then it came crashing down when, you know, most of my reads were shit and I only had really "gotten" 1 or 2 of the 6. Hell, I hard-defended ffery the entire first day and mollie had to threaten to kill me to make me see ffery-scum. That showed me I needed to do more of my own groundwork, and ask my own questions. I was on so many mislynches that game, and like no scum lynches. One helluva wakeup call.
In post 4203, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 3866, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 3850, KingCrabd wrote:
Xenoblade was my first "real" game here. Do you really not expect me to have learned from it? Not to mention, the awkward way I've been stuck in a hydra with one head means I can't just post like mad from my phone like I did in xenoblade. I may replace out into cabd proper if he doesn't show soon. I had to play day two solo.
But define coherent. Because you worry me as much as I worry you, apparently. You've been spot on on calling alignments of both lynched players well in advance of their wagon picking up steam, and in the case of Nero, well before the rest of us realized it. And stevie too.
As ffery might say: "/paranoia"
this is stupid ms is so ridiculously slow right now
the first two sentences doesn't make sense to me. why would you 'learn' from your towngame to be less coherent?
i may be misremembering here but have you ever even mentioned your hydra buddy in all of day 2? it seems to me like you would want to talk to him about this game if you were town.
you don't worry about me or at least not from what i've seen so that seems a bit off
i laugh whenever people call me scum for opposing lynch wagons that end up being on town. i read nero correctly in last game, i've stated why i think bulbacase was water, and...what the hell is this about stevie?? i've been okay with lynching him...
oh yeah nightkills also implicate you but i'm not going to nkspec on day 3 i hate that shit
pedit: holy shit by the way this whole ban-MS business is fucking retarded
this is unreplied to
I answered this above. I had to adjust my towngame to do my own work, because my reads in xeno were bad, and my votes were bad.
I don't remember if I posted about it or not, but King's laptop went to the tech heap pile in the sky. So he's been forced to talk about the game with me in short bursts, so I'm mostly flying solo here. He's made like one or two posts since, and his new laptop arrived last week, but he's currently at the pokemon world championships, because he's one of the best players in the world (good luck buddy) but that's irrelevant to the game so yeah? We talk, but he's very much a passive partner.
I do worry about you, it was a very light personal paranoia, but this blowup today kinda makes it worse. Especially now that I look at it, you say you're not gonna do NKspec "but it implicates you" but then you had no problem doing it later today.
In post 4206, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 591, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Can you explain your Nero case? What has changed since your early read?
Your reads list said:
In post 566, Selkies wrote:Nero Cain (he recovered a little from our early scum read, but has mostly faded into the woodwork lately)
What exactly did you mean by fading into the woodwork?
~C
i remember talking to fery about how this was a useless question
or maybe i didn't but i definitely thought it at the time
i'm thinking whether or not scum-cabd's meta is to ask pointless questions for the sake of appearing to contribute
because i saw that a few times in tht recent x-examination with me
That question was actually fairly useful, it was intended to see how you'd evaluate the staleness of Nero's read. Well I say you but I mean ffery. That has nothing to do with this game, though, and you characterizing my questions here as useless is pretty wonky.
In post 4208, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 3291, KingCrabd wrote:{spice, ank, bulba, Hollywood, maonic, stevie} maybe?
Both the townreads in that list have a positive utility to their death. Maonic immediately 120% confotowns serene and proves the mason claim that some people seem to be doubting. Spice because metal sonic all over again.
hmm.
Already covered this, orc. At the time I thought it was a good idea. After posting that it was thoroughly explained why that was a bad idea, and I removed it from consideration. In fact you already asked this question sort of and I already gave this response.
In post 4210, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:reading through newbie 1367, scumcabd distances his buddies like fuck
so unless he seriously stepped up his game i'm guessing that if he is scum he is not scum with shadi
which makes me feel a bit better about the whole cabd/shadi interaction
because the thing is cabd started out by hardtowning shadi and then did a 180 and scumread him, and then after what I thought was a pretty weak gambit especially considering how much it's been overused, basically thought shadi as contown
the whole thing read as a bit off to me but I guess if cabd/shadi isn't a team that kills the suspicion there a little
ugh but i really hate using newbie games as meta basis
cabd's proactiveness is somewhere between his scumgames and xenoblade and that's just a little ew
stay tuned
Did you actually read it, or are you just saying you did? I hardbussed my buddy in like his FIRST FUCKING POST. Like page two I called out his scumslip and told him better luck next time. There's no way you missed that. Unless you literally just skipped the entirity of day one, it would have been impossible to miss, because it was that post by me that yanked the rug out from RVS.
In post 4214, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:shadi took EIGHT MINUTES to post his readlist in that stupid gambit on 143
how the fuck does that conftown him
cabd is not this retarded
You're creating a false situation of {cabd isn't retarded, therefore cabd is scum} here and that's rather petty of you. 8 minutes is about the amount of time it might take to prepare a quick and dirty reads list. Which is exactly what 3570 was.
In post 4215, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 419, KingCrabd wrote: In post 418, Rift Adrift wrote: In post 412, KingCrabd wrote: In post 393, ProHawk wrote: In post 389, KingCrabd wrote:
I was wondering how long it would take you to revert back to your classic day one play, hawk. I'd usually say you're town for it, but the delayed timing makes it seem forced, kind of like you're trying to invoke your townmeta. Furthermore, do you intend to tell me that my vote served no use? It made it apparent we had a player actively lurking, that is, watching the thread but not posting.
dramonic seems to be set on saying absolutely nothing of value.
You seem a bit more annoyed than normal and, this is quite unlike your town-meta response... soo?
But... going back and reading your post in question it appears you had Dramonic in your scum-pile you had just put a ton of empty lines in between so I missed it and what I was seeing as scummy was a mistake on my part.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: BROsideon
A certain head in this hydra is annoyed by just about anything, could explain meta variance.
Other head needs to get back from dinner so we can convene on a view on this interesting conversation about Doc here
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How's this coming along?
I got back from dinner, but he was asleep/offline. We're in different time zones, etc. Also he's not able to stay up very late. We'll geetcha an answer once I get to sit down with him. Which will be tomorrow. You know how that is, what with time zones sucking.
deja vu from some of the stuff gcbc posted that was exactly among the same lines but i'm not too sure how indicative that is
That first post is by King, the second one is by Me, and we're explaining the differences. King is like.... 15 years old and still in school, and on the east coast. Often times when I get home from work, he's getting ready for bed. 6PM here is 9PM there.
In post 4216, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Prohawk looked like he was on the verge of making a case on cabd. Since he had extensive meta knowledge of cabd that could've been dangerous
he never mentioned rift adrift or fery
Uh, so now scumcabd killed prhawk and not TIP? But I thought TIP was the Mattp of this game? You're trying to fit the evidence to the conclusion you want to be true, orcinus.
In post 4219, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i'm not saying shadi is scum for it
i'm just saying like i always have that hardtowning shadi for that oneeeeee shitty reaction test makes no sense
he could've read the last few pages in the thread in that 8 minutes and realized cabd was bullshitting
this reminds me of gcbc claiming guilty on us when his watch didn't get through
cabd misses obvious shit (obvious from a town viewpoint that is) as scum
why wasn't his first thought a scum roleblock?
it's the same principle here
Maybe, juuuust maybe, I have other reasons I'm not going to share for finding shadi super likely to be town.
In post 4221, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: In post 4007, KingCrabd wrote:Rift, I wanted to go over potential vig shortlist and etc, but reading up and it seems sorting out this mess is priority number one now.
i love the inactivity from cabd that followed this post
So now we're using inactivity as a tell, eh? Because like, I dunno if i posted it here or in one of my other games, but like.... I had family returning from a huge trip, and a shitton of meetings and like... Holy shit i went from having two games to like ten what did i do to myself on top of that. So now I have to prioritize between multiple simultanius games, which is new and WEIRD.
In post 4238, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:okay
it's almost midnight and 3300 altitude and fuck everyone i've spent too long on this already
i have not done extensive work on fery's side of the board but i feel like that is unnecessary
i am getting good vibes from her again. i am remembering how we don't often click inthread especially in our other games (i skimmed BSG) and i know we don't think along the same lines often from our hydra play. i do not think scum fery would be trying to lead town this hard
i am liking cabd for scum. the two things i have not mentioned yet because it's just very subtle things inthread that i'd have to quote a lot of shit for are
1) his lines of questioning don't seem coherent (especially his examinations with me)
2) his d3 reaction to my suspicion sucked and did not seem genuine
he is exhibiting a lot of deliberate stupidity that i associate with scum and even though there is definitely a difference between this game and his newbie, fuck newbies.
HOWEVER i am going to admit right now that a lot of my suspicion ORIGINATED from the nightkills. Cabd made a good point that i didn't recognize yet in that I actually called for cabd/rift to be protected so that might actually be a point in that direction
that being said upon ISOing fery is looking like town and a lot of things with cabd just isn't adding up
i would now like to leave this thread for fery and cabd and ceph needs to answer the question i asked (why'd you disappear)
BYE
You've gone to one of {rift, cabd} is scum to {cabd is scum} when you promised to work on both of us, then you give a vague comment about how ffery is giving you good vibes. You do realize this looks like you had already decided I was scum when you made the staement about ffry and I right? I really don't get how you call my lines of interaction with you "not coherent" but we need to work each other out anyways.
