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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:48 pm
by Flubbernugget
Friendless Seniors wrote:again, marquis, you're looking at us and saying "what would scum do?" and "is friendless seniors doing that thing?" but you're not asking yourself "would town friendless seniors doing that thing too?" I'm seeing a pattern of confbias from you. You were right with skybird, but it's my belief that there were some objectively really weak arguments that you were pushing against skybird. And you're trying the same strategy with us and after multiple trials it's not gonna help town in the long run.

I have no clue how you are seeing this from Marquis's post

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:53 pm
by Flubbernugget
Friendless Seniors wrote:when no one has any idea who scum is and town is largely off base, yes, I care deeply about survival.

Shouldn't you be making stronger pushes in this case?

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:54 pm
by Flubbernugget
itlepip wrote:You not liking the gamestate doesn't mean that you actually have done any gamesolving.

Motherfucker you beat me to it

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:59 pm
by Flubbernugget
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:31 pm
by dramonic
The Pied Piper wrote:Every single time I open this game I come a little closer to understanding how kuribo feels.
the fake is real

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:37 pm
by davesaz
The Pied Piper wrote:
itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?


We've been saying we have
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.


I let this go earlier, but the last 8 pages of catchup left me very confused about something.
You can't explain the
intention with the soft
without outing a bunch of PRs with no reason? Because that's what the question was.

Pedit: who is kuribo?

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:04 pm
by Friendless Seniors
flubber who hasn't read thread

has nerve to say our pushes are weak

ok then

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:03 pm
by The Pied Piper
davesaz wrote:
The Pied Piper wrote:
itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?


We've been saying we have
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.


I let this go earlier, but the last 8 pages of catchup left me very confused about something.
You can't explain the
intention with the soft
without outing a bunch of PRs with no reason? Because that's what the question was.

Pedit: who is kuribo?
One the answer to the question is "our intention was to tell Cakes not to vote tictac because tictac is town" and that's an answer that doesn't out a bunch of PRs. My intention was to get Cakes to vote somebody more likely to be scum than tictac. But I didn't think that was what people were asking because it is the most literal reading of what we said. We said "Cakes, don't vote tictac, vote somebody else" because I wanted Cakes to vote somebody who wasn't tictac. There's obviously more to it than that, but that's the part that outs people who don't want to be outed.

If the question is how do I know what it is that I know about tictac, if I give a short answer, there will be follow up questions, and follow up questions to the follow up questions, and all of the PRs will be outed. The point of softing is to not reveal all of the information that you know.

I don't know how clear this post is because I'm just waking up.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:13 pm
by Mirhawk
Going to admit I've been avoiding the game because I don't want to reread day one. I'm thinking I'll just not do it, that'll help. I'm not super enguaged with what's going on today in any case. Marquis killed both of my secondary scumreads leaving me with only Cakez, and to be honest I'm getting tired of pushing him. He's obviously scum but you all have your heads up your butts and don't want to see it or something like that.

I have to side with Dwlee, if Piper has a PR that netted him info on other PR's he should have at most information about two people. One of which would have to be Tictac anyways.

They're avoiding talking about the core of Dwlee's argument which is that they claimed that they had information on multiple people's PR's which they were protecting, then later denied this.

I also feel like pointing out that at this point we have so many outed PR's and confirmed townies that scum'll be busy until the end of the game killing them all. There isn't that much to lose in revealing one or two of them. I'm not saying massclaiming would benefit us or anything like that, but I'm not really buying Pipers insistence that their information has to be protected.

I'm thinking more along the lines that Piper realized that in order to justify the things they've already said they have to be able to produce the role of both Tictac and another person, and they can't do that.

Also, want to make a note to Seniors that I am also reserving judgement on marquis. That's why I said that they would pretty much be the ideal target for a rolecop tonight if we have one.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:16 pm
by Mirhawk
Unless they're masons maybe. I doubt that though as it would be redundant with a IC.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:23 pm
by Mirhawk
Vote: Piper


You can consider this as me saying I require justification from you on that PR business. I don't think it would be responsible for us to let you slide on it till later when It'll be easier for you to make your claim.

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:46 pm
by The Pied Piper
The information we have on multiple people's PRs comes from a variety of sources. For example, I've know who the vig was since fairly early into day 1, not because of my own role but because they keep posting like a vig and it's just blindingly obvious to me that they and nobody else are the vig. Nacho didn't believe me on day 1 because it's his first time working this closely with me and it was less than a week into the game when I said it and they weren't attracting a lot of attention at the time. I spent a while thinking they might be an SK because of mod meta (Rob has never run a theme game without a third party) but Nacho says they're not an SK, and that's clear now based on their target(s). The vig has made it pretty clear that they don't want me to out their role, so I'm not going to even if you threaten to vote me or whatever.

So no, it is not the case that I could only have information on at most two roles. My own role gives me information, everybody else's posts in the game thread give me information, other people have used their roles in ways that gives me information, some of it privately. I'm using the vig as an example because everyone knows that there's a vig but probably most people don't know who it is or they would've been nightkilled by now. Do your own crumbhunting; I'm not going to help you.

It is not my problem that the you guys are incapable of thinking outside the box.

This is all just a giant distraction from lynching scum Seniors. We don't have a role PM related reason to believe Seniors is scum and we never said that we did and never softed anything about Seniors. The people who are accusing us of backtracking are some combination of misguided and lying. We have gameplay and inthread behaviours related reasons to believe that Seniors is scum. They can be found in . I have no idea how this turned into a giant discussion about crumbing, but I think some of the people who are pushing this nonesense are hoping the Seniors wagon will dissipate in the meantime.

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:34 am
by True Ogre
The Pied Piper wrote:
Dwlee99 wrote:Found it
That's only the most recent; you missed quite a few since the start of day 2.

This is you responding to Dwlee saying he found the crumb you'd been referring to. With you saying there had been more.

You can't push off blame onto others for getting yourself into this mess. ^This is why it's a big issue.

What are you going to do then? I think I'm coming around to flat-out just wanting your claim. I don't care what follow-up questions ensue, you can refuse to answer them if your own claim makes sense.

Do you understand my point of view?

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:14 am
by The Pied Piper
He missed my other crumbs about tictac, is what I was saying. All of our crumbs (except for the flavour crumbs which you noticed, which were in response to wrong lynch actually, not axel), have been about tictac because tictac is the only person we've been softing anything about.

from my very first in day 2:

The Pied Piper wrote:I have a weak reason to think that tictac might be town but I'm not ready to share it with the class; in time it will either become a strong reason or I'll lynch them.


And then somewhat later, there was nacho's:

The Pied Piper wrote:From the point of mine that it is uninformed as it is, I do know that tictac is a vote that shouldn't be made today. Don't vote tictac; you make angels cry every time that you do.


and while this wasn't exactly a crumb, there was still a reason it was worded that way:
The Pied Piper wrote:
tictac wrote:
The Pied Piper wrote:i don't see how podo could be any townier than he is right now

Not going that far.

You will when you're older.


And there's a reason that tictac replied with a kitty picture and not something else:
tictac wrote:
The Pied Piper wrote:We aren't voting you today beautiful. We're voting Skybird.
Image


and this was another crumb
The Pied Piper wrote:but we have a reason to believe that tictac is town.



We've been saying since the very start of day 2 that we are townreading tictac for reasons and all of a sudden it's a big deal and this really feels like my PhantomCobalt read in that stupid blitz.

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:23 am
by True Ogre
It's a big deal because your hydra itself fanned the flames and got people thinking about it.

I'm sick of thinking about it.

Whatever.

VOTE: Seniors

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:16 am
by SirCakez
Dwlee99 wrote:Lol. Can we go back.to talking about how tpp claimed that claiming would out prs but later said he had no info on prs?

WTF is this
Where did they say claiming would out PRs? I'm pretty sure you're the one who said that.

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:17 am
by SirCakez
I might just have missed it because apparently other people saw it too, so quote it for me please

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:37 am
by Dwlee99
SIRCAKEZ READ THE THREAD (SORRY FOR CAPS THIS IS AGGRAVATING)

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:38 am
by Dwlee99
Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:40 am
by SirCakez
I DID
I just can't see where they claimed they would out PRs, then said they had no info on PRs

:(

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:41 am
by Flubbernugget
Dwlee99 wrote:flubber vote tpp

go sit in the corner and think about your life

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:42 am
by Dwlee99
SirCakez wrote:I DID
I just can't see where they claimed they would out PRs, then said they had no info on PRs

:(

:I

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:44 am
by Flubbernugget
Friendless Seniors wrote:flubber who hasn't read thread

has nerve to say our pushes are weak

ok then

if you were making good pushes you wouldn't have to say town is directionless

and you
certainly
wouldn't have to use that as an excuse to play in survival mode ie like scum

you can't ad hom your way out of this one

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:45 am
by Dwlee99
The Pied Piper wrote:
itlepip wrote:I am not 3p
that's what i wanted to hear. sorry, dreams are weird, and usually someone's alignment is the exact opposite of what I dream so if i dream they flip scum then they're always town (but of course i don't use that to clear them while i'm playing the game), but what is the "exact opposite" of benign third party?

itlepip wrote:My point was that before someone says the obvious "OMG DON"T PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR AUTO CIRCLE!!" is not relevant.
meh, everyone has themselves in their own circle. i kind of roll my eyes when i see someone claiming to townread themselves but anyway carry on.

Dwlee99 wrote:not crumbing softing same thing

itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?


We've been saying we have
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reasons
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.

The Pied Piper wrote:I do not have a role that "lets me know other power roles".

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:45 am
by Flubbernugget
Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj

drunk comes to mind

especially if scum got the results