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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm
by Titus
In post 4255, Airick10 wrote:
In post 4234, Varsoon wrote:
In post 4214, Wake1 wrote:I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.
VOTE: Titus

Can we just end this?
Since you say you can confirm Mirhawk is the doc, are you confirming Titus is scum?
In post 4258, Varsoon wrote:I am a backup Nurse.
I know there is a Nurse and a Doctor in the game.
I had thought my role told me they were a
town
nurse and doctor, but it turns out that they could be any alignment.
At the very least, I can confirm their claim, which is likely to be town, imo.
I buy this.

@Dunn, they are not likely all town but I think they are honest. I don't think Varsoon plays it that way if he's not a backup Nurse.

Just in case we mass claim before lylo. If no nurse appears, Varsoon gets looked at really close.

UNVOTE: mirhawk

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 4272, Varsoon wrote:
In post 4266, Dunnstral wrote:Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?
Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

Nurse is the flavor name for a Backup Doctor. Once a Doctor has died, the Nurse will become an ordinary Doctor. The Nurse may or may not be self-aware (if not, it will receive a Vanilla Townie Role PM).

This role makes no guarantee about the existence of a Doctor in the setup to begin with. If there is no Doctor, then this role is functionally a Named Townie at best. On the other hand, in a game with multiple Doctors, the Nurse will generally inherit the sanity or other quirks of the Doctor who died first.

This role is pro-Town most of the time.

The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm
by Dunnstral
So you're a backup backup doctor?

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm
by Titus
In post 4274, Airick10 wrote:Ok, I'll unvote and see how this plays out. I agree Dunn, I haven't heard of a backup nurse. Maybe he's just saying backup nurse where he should be saying backup doc.

Unvote
Varsoon knows the difference. He means backup nurse.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:31 pm
by Wake1
In post 4272, Varsoon wrote:
In post 4266, Dunnstral wrote:Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?
Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.
So there's a possibility you could end up as a Doctor.

With all this apparent Backup, the idea that there is a pair of Even-Odd Docs meshes with this development.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:32 pm
by Dunnstral
I don't see how we can essentially have 2 protective roles and 2 backup roles

If anything, there is no nurse and the backup nurse is just for the mafia neapolitan which seems likely actually

maybe mafia does have a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:32 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 4279, Wake1 wrote:
In post 4272, Varsoon wrote:
In post 4266, Dunnstral wrote:Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?
Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.
So there's a possibility you could end up as a Doctor.

With all this apparent Backup, the idea that there is a pair of Even-Odd Docs meshes with this development.
No

There's a possibility he could end up as
backup doctor
who would then have to seperately become doctor

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:33 pm
by podoboq
In post 4276, Dunnstral wrote:The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
"Backup is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, both with and without its primary role present. Nurse and Deputy are acceptable names for Backup Doctor and Backup Cop, although they are not required."

All backups are considered normal as long as the role they are backing up is also normal. Backup Nurse, albeit weird, is normal.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:33 pm
by Airick10
In post 4278, Titus wrote:
In post 4274, Airick10 wrote:Ok, I'll unvote and see how this plays out. I agree Dunn, I haven't heard of a backup nurse. Maybe he's just saying backup nurse where he should be saying backup doc.

Unvote
Varsoon knows the difference. He means backup nurse.
Ok, have you seen a backup nurse before? I haven't.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:34 pm
by Wake1
In post 4276, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4272, Varsoon wrote:
In post 4266, Dunnstral wrote:Varsoon, what was the role called in your pm?
Town Backup Nurse.
Since my role says it will change to Town Nurse with a Nurse dies, I assumed the Nurse was town.

Nurse is the flavor name for a Backup Doctor. Once a Doctor has died, the Nurse will become an ordinary Doctor. The Nurse may or may not be self-aware (if not, it will receive a Vanilla Townie Role PM).

This role makes no guarantee about the existence of a Doctor in the setup to begin with. If there is no Doctor, then this role is functionally a Named Townie at best. On the other hand, in a game with multiple Doctors, the Nurse will generally inherit the sanity or other quirks of the Doctor who died first.

This role is pro-Town most of the time.

The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
Is
Backup Nurse
possible in a Large Normal?

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:34 pm
by podoboq
In post 4280, Dunnstral wrote:I don't see how we can essentially have 2 protective roles and 2 backup roles

If anything, there is no nurse and the backup nurse is just for the mafia neapolitan which seems likely actually

maybe mafia does have a traitor?
If there are two docs, backup nurse seems possible. Also, Varsoon's crumb is 100% believable.

You see what I mean now about mafia neapolitan being a garbage role for the scum team.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:35 pm
by Varsoon
Yeah, Wake, s'why I brought more attention to it when faking masons.
It works though, doesn't it?


Also, yes, it literally says BACKUP NURSE and not BACKUP DOCTOR.


And I imagine that if the Nurse becomes the Doctor, they are no longer the Nurse, which means I don't become the Doctor when they die, if that makes sense.

I am simply a backup for the backup.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:35 pm
by Wake1
In post 4282, podoboq wrote:
In post 4276, Dunnstral wrote:The self-aware version of Nurse (receives a Nurse or Backup Doctor Role PM), and only this self-aware version of Nurse, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
"Backup is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, both with and without its primary role present. Nurse and Deputy are acceptable names for Backup Doctor and Backup Cop, although they are not required."

All backups are considered normal as long as the role they are backing up is also normal. Backup Nurse, albeit weird, is normal.
Interesting.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:36 pm
by Titus
In post 4283, Airick10 wrote:
In post 4278, Titus wrote:
In post 4274, Airick10 wrote:Ok, I'll unvote and see how this plays out. I agree Dunn, I haven't heard of a backup nurse. Maybe he's just saying backup nurse where he should be saying backup doc.

Unvote
Varsoon knows the difference. He means backup nurse.
Ok, have you seen a backup nurse before? I haven't.
No but it is legal.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:36 pm
by Titus
Varsoon, you want to lynch Wake or podog?

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:36 pm
by Airick10
Ok Varsoon... Got it. I just haven't seen it before so that throws me off.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:38 pm
by Dunnstral
I don't think there's an actual nurse. I think he's a named townie

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:38 pm
by Wake1
Also want to point out that Titus is ignoring my posts directed towards her.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:38 pm
by podoboq
In post 4286, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, Wake, s'why I brought more attention to it when faking masons.
It works though, doesn't it?


Also, yes, it literally says BACKUP NURSE and not BACKUP DOCTOR.


And I imagine that if the Nurse becomes the Doctor, they are no longer the Nurse, which means I don't become the Doctor when they die, if that makes sense.

I am simply a backup for the backup.
Wait, so there seem to be some questions about your role. I suggest you PM the mod and get back to us when you have answers.

1) Please clarify. Is Varsoon a backup NURSE, not a backup DOCTOR?
2) If a Doctor dies, and the Nurse replaces that Doctor, is the Backup Nurse still able to upgrade into anything in the future?

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:39 pm
by Wake1
In post 4289, Titus wrote:Varsoon, you want to lynch Wake or podog?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:40 pm
by Titus
In post 4290, Airick10 wrote:Ok Varsoon... Got it. I just haven't seen it before so that throws me off.
That makes Varsoon likely town. I don't see Varsoon doing this as scum. Is it possible? Yes. I won't feel comfortable with Varsoon near lylo if that happens. But the manner in which he claimed is pretty townie.

The MOONLOGIC scenario is this was cooked up in scumchat.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:41 pm
by Titus
In post 4214, Wake1 wrote:I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.
I am not entertaining this or similar with responses. Thread is bloated enough.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:41 pm
by podoboq
In post 4291, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think there's an actual nurse. I think he's a named townie
There's an actual nurse. I would gamble real money on that.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:43 pm
by Varsoon
In post 4289, Titus wrote:Varsoon, you want to lynch Wake or podog?
Hhaahahaha no.
In post 4293, podoboq wrote:
In post 4286, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, Wake, s'why I brought more attention to it when faking masons.
It works though, doesn't it?


Also, yes, it literally says BACKUP NURSE and not BACKUP DOCTOR.


And I imagine that if the Nurse becomes the Doctor, they are no longer the Nurse, which means I don't become the Doctor when they die, if that makes sense.

I am simply a backup for the backup.
Wait, so there seem to be some questions about your role. I suggest you PM the mod and get back to us when you have answers.

1) Please clarify. Is Varsoon a backup NURSE, not a backup DOCTOR?
2) If a Doctor dies, and the Nurse replaces that Doctor, is the Backup Nurse still able to upgrade into anything in the future?
1. I am a backup NURSE.
2. I only replace a NURSE when they die. Based on the wording of my role, if a NURSE becomes a DOCTOR, then when they die, I will not back them up.
I'll ask the mod, I guess?

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:44 pm
by podoboq
In post 4296, Titus wrote:
In post 4214, Wake1 wrote:I smell a rat.

Lynch either Dunnstral or Titus.
I am not entertaining this or similar with responses. Thread is bloated enough.
Obviously quote the thing that isn't directed to you rather than the real accusations that are deserving of respect and a response. That's totally towny, right?