The last several pages before the flip last night was not productive.
I think you and mcqueen are both town and I'm not sure a spar is going to help you guys sort each other based on how last night went.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:02 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
In post 4276, Dannflor wrote:The last several pages before the flip last night was not productive.
I think you and mcqueen are both town and I'm not sure a spar is going to help you guys sort each other based on how last night went.
I disagree.
Sparring is usually very helpful for me.
I also agree that forcing me to hammer Buj was unproductive, but I guess he was going to die anyways.
Talk to me on why mcqueen is town.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:02 pm
by Prince of Renais
so uh ankamius I'm really curious
why exactly is it that you think that your reads are better than mine?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:03 pm
by Dannflor
Like, I think your scum reads on each other are emotional rather than logical and I don't think either side's emotions are faked or scum.
If you think it'll help you sort him I won't stop you, I just want to prevent 10+ pages of you guys flinging shit at each other.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:05 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
In post 4279, Dannflor wrote:Like, I think your scum reads on each other are emotional rather than logical and I don't think either side's emotions are faked or scum.
If you think it'll help you sort him I won't stop you, I just want to prevent 10+ pages of you guys flinging shit at each other.
I'm not looking to fling shit.
I don't maintain emotional reads greater than 24 hours at a maximum (usually no greater than 6 hours) if I find myself emotionally conflicted, I will usually go take a break shortly after. If a player continues to produce an emotional reaction in me and it becomes apparent that I'm put in a situation where I will have to play in an emotional state or not engage with the player whatsoever, I replace out. At least that's how I handled it the one time I was put in that situation.
My read on him is not emotional at all.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:06 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:06 pm
by Prince of Renais
no like actually you did your utmost to fuck over town in rapier upick mafia
mastina claiming you should have been part of a moment of brilliance nom is such a meme you prevented a brigitte wagon for almost the entirety of D1 and prevented the fractured lynch as well
you had dumbass fucking scumreads on every lynchbaity slot on the board
what part of that tells you that the correct move in this game is to come in and take a gigantic shit all over my xtoxm scumread and strongarm town onto one of my locktownreads?
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:08 pm
by Prince of Renais
i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:14 pm
by Dannflor
In post 4281, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.
I'm not dismissing your scum read. I was dismissing most of the interaction that happened before twilight because I saw it as TvT bitching. Elaborate on your scum read? Is it mostly that he's just within your PoE or do you have other specific reasons?
I think I've already explained my town read on him but I'll reiterate it in a minute. I just needed to know your scum read wasn't clouded by anything.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:16 pm
by Dannflor
In post 4283, Prince of Renais wrote:i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town
I'm sorry we fucked up yesterday
but this isn't a productive line of dialogue and this game is still very much winnable
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:20 pm
by Dannflor
In post 3294, mcqueen wrote:Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.
EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.
In post 4281, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.
I'm not dismissing your scum read. I was dismissing most of the interaction that happened before twilight because I saw it as TvT bitching. Elaborate on your scum read? Is it mostly that he's just within your PoE or do you have other specific reasons?
I think I've already explained my town read on him but I'll reiterate it in a minute. I just needed to know your scum read wasn't clouded by anything.
Sure.
The end of day push for Buj to be lynched when he saw me waiting it out to see if anyone would hammer and still pushing to see if I could get Liger or xtoxm lynched makes me think he's likely scum with one of them. The end of day push looked like very much an opportunistic push, and I think the only reason he's getting town read for it is because of how hard he pushed it. I expressed very townie reasons for waiting that wagon out, but he dismissed them as me trying to look town instead of finish the wagon.
Considering this is his ISO on Buj prior to voting him:
In post 3988, Ankamius wrote:I really don't think Max would end up endgaming this as scum unless everybody gets trapped chasing their tails until scum can destroy all the strong town players, which is still a few days off
BuJ is that kind of player I suspect would get pushed back into the townblock if he doesn't get lynched sooner rather than later, and all it really takes is both Eagle and myself being ignited for all these associatives to be completely forgotten since I don't think anybody else in this playerlist would ever look back at that and how he continues throughout the game.
Liger is just a compromise because people don't really know what to do atm and are stuck in a solve.
Xtoxm is probably town and just feels like a wasted lynch.
I'd really rather we get BuJ today even if just to remove my own paranoia of him endgaming.
Liger_Zero wrote:Okay, and you don't want to question me because....
I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.
this is a terrible post and should be pointed out as such. you’re giving Liger almost no chance.
It's really unfortunate how I'm giving him no chance. I'm being so stubborn on my vote on him, and I think I will never unvote him.
VOTE: BuJ
This is making it worse on yourself
In post 4042, mcqueen wrote:WHens deadline i need time to meta check buj but honestly i think hes town.
In post 4122, mcqueen wrote:and to whoever asked why i would meta check buj... hmm idk maybe since he was town in our last game together if his playstyle here is similar he might be town. EVEN if his scum play is different every game
love how ank randomly throws me in a scumpile too
Even when other wagons were available (considering Liger and xtoxm) the fact that he flips his read on Buj and also his read on me out of nowhere seems most likely to come from scum.
In post 3294, mcqueen wrote:Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.
EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.
This kind of boldness and honesty is the reason people townread me in 2059, or at least part of it, I think. It's one of the things that makes the game easy as scum - being honest on things like this so you can lie about your reads. This isn't a viable reason to be townreading him right now.
A valid reason to be scumreading him is the fact that he flipped from townreading me all game to scumreading me
and flipped from townreading Buj all game to pushing for his lynch.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:29 pm
by Dannflor
In post 4289, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:The end of day push for Buj to be lynched when he saw me waiting it out to see if anyone would hammer and still pushing to see if I could get Liger or xtoxm lynched makes me think he's likely scum with one of them. The end of day push looked like very much an opportunistic push, and I think the only reason he's getting town read for it is because of how hard he pushed it. I expressed very townie reasons for waiting that wagon out, but he dismissed them as me trying to look town instead of finish the wagon.
I'll reread this. I was very burnt out at EoD and my eyes kinda glazed over for a lot of the fighting.
Basically, it's key whether or not his push on you is real. I thought it was vaguely weird when it happened because... Literally no one has tried to push you in a long time and you're lock town in a lot of people's eyes, so his confidence seemed misplaced. I attributed it to just high emotions at the end of a long day but that might have been hasty of me.
In post 3294, mcqueen wrote:Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.
EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.
This kind of boldness and honesty is the reason people townread me in 2059, or at least part of it, I think. It's one of the things that makes the game easy as scum - being honest on things like this so you can lie about your reads. This isn't a viable reason to be townreading him right now.
A valid reason to be scumreading him is the fact that he flipped from townreading me all game to scumreading me
and flipped from townreading Buj all game to pushing for his lynch.
Fair.
I'll reread.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:32 pm
by Liger_Zero
In post 4283, Prince of Renais wrote:i'm so, so sick of people with dogshit reads abusing the fact that their complete inability to play scum gets them locktowned to supercede my reads and lynch town
In post 4143, Liger_Zero wrote:Eagle, you complained about fence sitting earlier and now you are fence sitting. End it or admit you are fine with fence sitting.
i have been fence sittign
i said that i've been fence sitting
now i'm happy lynching liger
i'll even lynch xtoxm
i'm even happy w/ a buj lynch
but i want someone else to hammer
In post 4175, mcqueen wrote:Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)
In post 4202, Liger_Zero wrote:Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.
Hes not. He knows he’s being annoying by dragging this out and all he has to do is “say i wanna discuss before lynching” like he did with you to blow off suspicion. Except u can tell its not genuine
Hes scum
and this post:
In post 4175, mcqueen wrote:Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)
should be noted that this was said to rei, not me, but let's consider that scum are already PoE'd - it's important for them to break up the townblock, the fact that mcqueen is now pushing for scum in the town block and it doesn't matter whether or not it's one of these three names or me should be ringing alarm bells pretty loudly
at this point in the game rei and prince are conftown, IMO, putting them in a lynch pool looks like scum trying to get paranoia points and maybe convince people to lynch outside the current PoE
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:37 pm
by Dannflor
In post 4294, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:should be noted that this was said to rei, not me, but let's consider that scum are already PoE'd - it's important for them to break up the townblock, the fact that mcqueen is now pushing for scum in the town block and it doesn't matter whether or not it's one of these three names or me should be ringing alarm bells pretty loudly
at this point in the game rei and prince are conftown, IMO, putting them in a lynch pool looks like scum trying to get paranoia points and maybe convince people to lynch outside the current PoE
I also just noticed he shaded Ankamius randomly here as well:
In post 4122, mcqueen wrote:and to whoever asked why i would meta check buj... hmm idk maybe since he was town in our last game together if his playstyle here is similar he might be town. EVEN if his scum play is different every game
love how ank randomly throws me in a scumpile too
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:37 pm
by Dannflor
Who, despite yesterday, is still very town.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:37 pm
by Liger_Zero
You guys are obsessed with your townblock.
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:38 pm
by Prince of Renais
VOTE: Mcqueen
don't forget the umm
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:38 pm
by Prince of Renais
In post 1346, mcqueen wrote:So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?
Seriously tho im pretty sure at least one scum is in those three if not more.
In post 1356, mcqueen wrote:Lemme throw it out there that while Eagles play is bad i think its bad town and anyone voting him is looking scummy rn. Yes you grapes
worst sequence of 3 posts in this game. calls everyone voting grapes scum then shades grapes for... voting eagle.